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guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Maximo Roboto posted:

Are they anything like the UAE guy here

I'm from Tres Arroyos and I say kill em all!

# ? Jan 13, 2022 18:36

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 22:03

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Maximo Roboto posted:

Are they anything like the UAE guy here

I like the ones from smac

# ? Jan 13, 2022 18:45

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

guidoanselmi posted:

I'm from Tres Arroyos and I say kill em all!

lol

# ? Jan 13, 2022 19:36

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Maximo Roboto posted:

http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles/the-ten-stupidest-utopias/

No nature to despoil in space so yeah.

I wouldn't be so sure as SpaceX is about to accidentally bomb the moon

# ? Jan 26, 2022 16:37

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1494019422297669638

Real glad that the wheels will be coming off and the lights going out for civilization around then, I tell you hwat.

# ? Feb 17, 2022 05:06

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

vyelkin posted:

I wouldn't be so sure as SpaceX is about to accidentally bomb the moon

Meh it's been done

# ? Feb 21, 2022 21:03

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

Ah, a space tech guy bashing VC shell games, wonder what he's working on-

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1518972768674529280

:chanpop:

bonus: crypto bro and a right-wing economic nationalist tussle

https://twitter.com/erik_kirkegaard/status/1519030835994927106

# ? Apr 27, 2022 00:37

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

lmao lol the future belongs to china

e: I hope I live long enough to see this guy completely poo poo out his entire digestive tract over a crewed chinese lunar landing, holy gently caress I have goals again

Tighclops has issued a correction as of 00:56 on Apr 27, 2022

# ? Apr 27, 2022 00:49

Pentecoastal Elites: Feb 27, 2007

dogg the only thing we know how to build any more are warehouses dropshippers keep Chinese consumer goods in for Amazon arbitrage. nobody in this demon cracker nation could manufacture something to get a man down the street let alone the loving solar system

# ? Apr 27, 2022 04:23

Waffle House: Oct 27, 2004; You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

Disclaimer: I am not so much a ""leftist"" as I am a...uh...there are no words, so here, I'll just pull this out of my rear end: Banksian Saganist.

Humans are...sort of on track for Space exploration. We have no real "commercial" reason for it, but we're sort of hitting the point where we have a few Howard Hughes types with enough money to gently caress around with the concept, albeit obviously nowhere near enough interest and %global engineering focus to really get the reactor of its potential for our social and economic expansion fired over, so to speak.

The start of the Space Exploration era is well within our lifetimes, but we do have some things at home to take care of first, such as:

* Making sure the Planet, and us as its caretakers, especially biosphere-wise) are physically ready for exploration, and potential contact (not necessarily "aliens," but foreign matter at all, such as frozen bacteriums and any harvested or mined material. Our atmosphere might oxidize something in fascinating new ways, you never know.)
* Ready ourselves socially.
* FULL international cooperation on it, so that it is background to all nation's other business, which would hopefully give it a perception of being a "safe" industry to work in, important because socially and "economically" we will need focal industries while we transition through the different stages of late capitalism that we've been shedding as practice since Sumeria.
* Making sure our *infrastructure* worldwide actually supports that sort of launch activity. We already have some trouble delivering windmill turbine blades, we might need more space for the manufacturing operations alone, much less the delivery of their production to different assembly or launch sites.
* Pilots licenses need to be more common and flying more commonly understood, not as a profession, but as a capability or discipline, like welding or programming. This is not just to have an available pilot supply, it is so our technology ratchets faster because we overall have a better understanding and so can more commonly deliberate fine points.

And that's just for the earth side of things. In space:
* Waaaay better designs on ships, I do not think from a durability standpoint I would really want to be on anything we have on the drawing board right now for several months at a time.
* A single loving clue about the NECESSARY span of our development to support solar system scale human operations of any kind.
* To consider that Space Trucking will be a very awesome and well paying career, and that you should see that from this moment to lol at the whole possible bloom of social, economic, and generally *human* change that its certainty implies along the way.
* We need space TBMs, too.

# ? Apr 27, 2022 04:43

Pentecoastal Elites: Feb 27, 2007

if you're looking for a label for yourself let me be the first to suggest: Enormous Dumbass

# ? Apr 27, 2022 04:48

Waffle House: Oct 27, 2004; You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

if you're looking for a label for yourself let me be the first to suggest: Enormous Dumbass

lmao wewwwww wrong thread *whistling my way right on outta here*

# ? Apr 27, 2022 04:57

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Waffle House posted:

Disclaimer: I am not so much a ""leftist"" as I am a...uh...there are no words, so here, I'll just pull this out of my rear end: Banksian Saganist.

Humans are...sort of on track for Space exploration. We have no real "commercial" reason for it, but we're sort of hitting the point where we have a few Howard Hughes types with enough money to gently caress around with the concept, albeit obviously nowhere near enough interest and %global engineering focus to really get the reactor of its potential for our social and economic expansion fired over, so to speak.

The start of the Space Exploration era is well within our lifetimes, but we do have some things at home to take care of first, such as:

* Making sure the Planet, and us as its caretakers, especially biosphere-wise) are physically ready for exploration, and potential contact (not necessarily "aliens," but foreign matter at all, such as frozen bacteriums and any harvested or mined material. Our atmosphere might oxidize something in fascinating new ways, you never know.)
* Ready ourselves socially.
* FULL international cooperation on it, so that it is background to all nation's other business, which would hopefully give it a perception of being a "safe" industry to work in, important because socially and "economically" we will need focal industries while we transition through the different stages of late capitalism that we've been shedding as practice since Sumeria.
* Making sure our *infrastructure* worldwide actually supports that sort of launch activity. We already have some trouble delivering windmill turbine blades, we might need more space for the manufacturing operations alone, much less the delivery of their production to different assembly or launch sites.
* Pilots licenses need to be more common and flying more commonly understood, not as a profession, but as a capability or discipline, like welding or programming. This is not just to have an available pilot supply, it is so our technology ratchets faster because we overall have a better understanding and so can more commonly deliberate fine points.

And that's just for the earth side of things. In space:
* Waaaay better designs on ships, I do not think from a durability standpoint I would really want to be on anything we have on the drawing board right now for several months at a time.
* A single loving clue about the NECESSARY span of our development to support solar system scale human operations of any kind.
* To consider that Space Trucking will be a very awesome and well paying career, and that you should see that from this moment to lol at the whole possible bloom of social, economic, and generally *human* change that its certainty implies along the way.
* We need space TBMs, too.

didn't read

# ? Apr 27, 2022 05:06

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RO7K4W-c9g

# ? Apr 27, 2022 05:15

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 54 minutes!

I feel like the "making sure the biosphere is healthy" part is doing a lot of work.

# ? Apr 27, 2022 05:16

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

tali........

# ? Apr 27, 2022 05:18

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Waffle House posted:

Disclaimer: I am not so much a ""leftist"" as I am a...uh...there are no words, so here, I'll just pull this out of my rear end: Banksian Saganist.

loving why do this

look at me I'm a Roddenberrian fuckadabooian habudabloo amooo hooooo hAUIUGHH

space stuff is happening and will likely continue to happen until climate change/wars gently caress up enough supply chains and whatnot but even then china will just keep chugging along. Space is hard but as we're seeing now, not insurmountably so everything is just going to get all hosed up and basically none of what you mentioned will happen excepting there'll be spaceships

hopefully nerds like you dont gently caress up all the new colonies with your herbertsian-heinleinish-dickensian whatever the fuckism

gently caress just

# ? Apr 27, 2022 07:27

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

Herbertsianism is Maoist Desert Worldism

# ? Apr 27, 2022 08:21

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

i'm a butlerian jihadist and i say that space exploration loving sucks !

# ? Apr 27, 2022 08:48

cardiacarrest123: Apr 10, 2016

The ionizing radation on jupiter's moons for example is so intense that as far as I'm aware NASA isn't quite sure how to harden even a lifeless chunk of electronics against being annihilated.

Out there, beyond the safety of earth's biosphere, ozone layer, atmosphere and magnetosphere are the primordial forces of the cosmos. We are ants on a tiny island in a pond surrounded by a vast raging wildfire.

We aren't going anywhere.

# ? Apr 27, 2022 10:37

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

yes we are

# ? Apr 27, 2022 13:18

Sorgrid: May 1, 2007; So it goes.

indigi posted:

yes we are

*besides hell

# ? Apr 27, 2022 13:41

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

we�ll go there too. satan will become our bitch

# ? Apr 27, 2022 13:42

ELTON JOHN: Feb 17, 2014

i�m a hoxhaist and let me tell you, plenty of room for bunkers in space

# ? Apr 27, 2022 13:45

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Fifth International (Banksian-Saganist-Posadist)

# ? Apr 27, 2022 14:08

Pentecoastal Elites: Feb 27, 2007

y'all need to Ready Yourselves Socially but some of y'all not ready for that conversation 💅

# ? Apr 27, 2022 15:10

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

Waffle House posted:

Disclaimer: I am not so much a ""leftist"" as I am a...uh...there are no words, so here, I'll just pull this out of my rear end: Banksian Saganist.

Humans are...sort of on track for Space exploration. We have no real "commercial" reason for it, but we're sort of hitting the point where we have a few Howard Hughes types with enough money to gently caress around with the concept, albeit obviously nowhere near enough interest and %global engineering focus to really get the reactor of its potential for our social and economic expansion fired over, so to speak.

The start of the Space Exploration era is well within our lifetimes, but we do have some things at home to take care of first, such as:

* Making sure the Planet, and us as its caretakers, especially biosphere-wise) are physically ready for exploration, and potential contact (not necessarily "aliens," but foreign matter at all, such as frozen bacteriums and any harvested or mined material. Our atmosphere might oxidize something in fascinating new ways, you never know.)
* Ready ourselves socially.
* FULL international cooperation on it, so that it is background to all nation's other business, which would hopefully give it a perception of being a "safe" industry to work in, important because socially and "economically" we will need focal industries while we transition through the different stages of late capitalism that we've been shedding as practice since Sumeria.
* Making sure our *infrastructure* worldwide actually supports that sort of launch activity. We already have some trouble delivering windmill turbine blades, we might need more space for the manufacturing operations alone, much less the delivery of their production to different assembly or launch sites.
* Pilots licenses need to be more common and flying more commonly understood, not as a profession, but as a capability or discipline, like welding or programming. This is not just to have an available pilot supply, it is so our technology ratchets faster because we overall have a better understanding and so can more commonly deliberate fine points.

And that's just for the earth side of things. In space:
* Waaaay better designs on ships, I do not think from a durability standpoint I would really want to be on anything we have on the drawing board right now for several months at a time.
* A single loving clue about the NECESSARY span of our development to support solar system scale human operations of any kind.
* To consider that Space Trucking will be a very awesome and well paying career, and that you should see that from this moment to lol at the whole possible bloom of social, economic, and generally *human* change that its certainty implies along the way.
* We need space TBMs, too.

sending this post in2 space on the next elon musk meme rocket

# ? Apr 27, 2022 15:19

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Tighclops posted:

hopefully nerds like you dont gently caress up all the new colonies with your herbertsian-heinleinish-dickensian whatever the fuckism

earth will go communist but mars will be full of bunker libs escaping from the turbo totalitarian-authoritarian tankies oppressing them obv

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:07

Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

Danann posted:

earth will go communist but mars will be full of bunker libs escaping from the turbo totalitarian-authoritarian tankies oppressing them obv

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:12

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Danann posted:

earth will go communist but mars will be full of bunker libs escaping from the turbo totalitarian-authoritarian tankies oppressing them obv

Isn't this literally the plot of the expanse

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:21

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

Milo and POTUS posted:

Isn't this literally the plot of the expanse

no earth is socdem (read also facist)

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:24

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Milo and POTUS posted:

Isn't this literally the plot of the expanse

Earth is super capitalist with what we�re led to believe is a representative republic with an insanely powerful executive, they never go into specifics on the political structure but we know Mars is a command economy, belters get even less political examination but it�s safe to say they�re different flavors of left anarchist/mutualist with all the idealism and infighting that implies

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:48

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

All I know is I spent a lot of time wishing the belters would watch them destroy each other

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:53

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

The expanse was a good show but they still did that thing where the one guy that actually stood up to Earth and Mars was a genocidal narcissist so that made him worse at least as far as the show's narrative was concerned

Lol though if you weren't extremely there for watching fascist Mars's society crumble before your eyes because everyone could just loving leave

# ? Apr 27, 2022 20:58

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

Tighclops posted:

The expanse was a good show but they still did that thing where the one guy that actually stood up to Earth and Mars was a genocidal narcissist so that made him worse at least as far as the show's narrative was concerned

Lol though if you weren't extremely there for watching fascist Mars's society crumble before your eyes because everyone could just loving leave

https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/979810839749210112

# ? Apr 27, 2022 21:00

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

mars was socialism with chinese-texan characteristics

# ? Apr 27, 2022 21:18

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Tighclops posted:

The expanse was a good show but they still did that thing where the one guy that actually stood up to Earth and Mars was a genocidal narcissist so that made him worse at least as far as the show's narrative was concerned

well Martian opportunists hand-selected someone to fund and arm to resist the UN while basically leaving the surface of Mars alone so they�d definitely choose someone like Marco, it�s straight out of the imperialist playbook. they couldn�t choose any of the Belter leaders readers/viewers were familiar with like Drummer or Fred Johnson cause they�d have immediately realized they were being played and used it to their advantage

fabergay egg posted:

mars was socialism with chinese-texan characteristics

it was absolutely not socialism

# ? Apr 27, 2022 21:37

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

the fascism is the texan characteristic

# ? Apr 27, 2022 21:58

Sarrisan: Oct 9, 2012

Going from the books not the show here but I'm pretty sure belters were basically libertarians without the pedophilia.

The only thing keeping them from being the worst faction is being the victims of colonialism, so you end up siding with them emotionally even though there are no good guys in the expanse.

Though tbh I'm not sure if that's what the author was going for, the entire work reeks of neoliberalism from every pore. Yes I read the whole thing anyway.

# ? Apr 27, 2022 23:10

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 22:03

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Can anyone recommend any good leftist space opera I am tired of feeling like I'm getting dragged around by the cock all the time by popular media

# ? Apr 27, 2022 23:22

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