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New prediction for VII remake series: Cloud dies instead of Aerith, to maintain the impact of the death without just repeating kne of the most well-known plot beat in video games. However, he gets replaced by Zack soon after, so mechanically you're no worse off in the long term.
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Mandoric posted:Something to note here is that FF6 is otherwise CERO A, and would be bumped up to CERO C or so by depictions of abuse, while FF7r is C to begin with. Something I realized while playing the Pixel Remaster is that it makes more sense narratively as well. Without Locke witnessing the soldiers beating Celes, the doubt Kefka sows about her true loyalty later on at the Magitek facility seems a little more plausible from Locke's perspective.
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Apr 27, 2022 01:56
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Cleretic posted:New prediction for VII remake series: Cloud dies instead of Aerith, to maintain the impact of the death without just repeating kne of the most well-known plot beat in video games. However, he gets replaced by Zack soon after, so mechanically you're no worse off in the long term. I think Remake Cloud will get psychically melded with Original Cloud from post-DoC, creating an even more hosed up mind explosion but giving us the Advent Children combat style. Implementing this adds three years to development.
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Apr 27, 2022 02:07
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Are Brachiosaurs a particularly rare appearance in the dinosaur forest in VI? I’m trying to get a Celestriad, mainly so I could combine that with Quick, Dualcast, and Ultima to see how quickly I can get through the last boss. I spent 45 minutes fighting Tyranosaurs and then just gave up.
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Apr 27, 2022 02:27
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I’m pretty sure the last boss will run out of HP long before your party runs out of MP. The 1 MP accessory is completely unnecessary. If you want to grind, it’s not hard for Terra to kill him in one turn with genji glove, offering, illumina and the other ultimate sword of your choice. I don’t know what stats/level you’d need for it to be a one-turn kill, but it’s probably faster to get that set up than grinding a rare drop from a rare encounter.
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Apr 27, 2022 02:57
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Keromaru5 posted:Something I realized while playing the Pixel Remaster is that it makes more sense narratively as well. Without Locke witnessing the soldiers beating Celes, the doubt Kefka sows about her true loyalty later on at the Magitek facility seems a little more plausible from Locke's perspective. That's an interesting way to look at it. I wonder if it's come to mind for them, or if it's considered just a ratings/marketing issue. Heithinn Grasida posted:I’m pretty sure the last boss will run out of HP long before your party runs out of MP. The 1 MP accessory is completely unnecessary. To be fair, if you're grinding it's also a really good grind spot. The Brachosaur and Tyrannosaur are the #1 and #3 highest individual EXP drops in the game, IIRC, and 2x Tyrannosaur and 1x Brachosaur should be the #3 and #4 encounters (after 2x Gamma and 1x Gamma 1x Metal Hitman 2x Junk, respectively.) That said, if you're pushing 9999s, which is quite easy and will leave you plenty of time for MP up levels, you need 4 casts for tier 1, 5 casts for tier 2, and 5 casts for tier 3; since you get 5 casts a turn due to the Dualcast-Quick interaction, you shouldn't even need Gold Hairpin to do UQUUOU on tier 1 and kill it for a net cost of 80 MP, UQUUUU tier 2 to death for 419 MP, UQUUUU tier 3 to death for 419 MP, and be at actual Kefka. Once on Kefka you're looking at at least a 2-turn kill if using magic anyway, so a second or third Osmose don't slow you down.
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Apr 27, 2022 03:47
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Bachiosaurs are the rare encounter, and honestly I don't trust the RNG in the PR. I know the rare steal rate, at least, was totally hosed when I played it. Also, a bunch of the encounter tables were really screwed up, and fights that shouldn't be that rare were super rare. Took forever to get a lot of the monsters on the Floating Continent.
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Apr 27, 2022 03:48
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TL posted:Are Brachiosaurs a particularly rare appearance in the dinosaur forest in VI? I’m trying to get a Celestriad, mainly so I could combine that with Quick, Dualcast, and Ultima to see how quickly I can get through the last boss. I spent 45 minutes fighting Tyranosaurs and then just gave up. These are much easier to steal off of the Aquila/Galypdes enemy in the Phoenix Cave. It's a rare steal off an uncommon enemy, but still more common than Brachiosaurs.
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Apr 27, 2022 03:55
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Schwartzcough posted:Bachiosaurs are the rare encounter, and honestly I don't trust the RNG in the PR. I know the rare steal rate, at least, was totally hosed when I played it. Also, a bunch of the encounter tables were really screwed up, and fights that shouldn't be that rare were super rare. Took forever to get a lot of the monsters on the Floating Continent.
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Apr 27, 2022 04:44
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Thinking about all this talk of intense, uncomfortable violence in JRPGs and "what will FFVIIR do?," I'm reminded of one of the first JRPGs I ever beat, Xenosaga Episode 1. Probably the most famous scene in the whole trilogy involves a man brutalizing himself to traumatize a little girl. There is violence done to the little girl, too. It was always unforgettable but I don't think we'll ever see anything like that in Xenoblade 3 or FFVIIR if Celes being beaten is being removed from the remasters.
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Apr 27, 2022 04:54
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It's funny that the censorship to the Albedo scene made it even more weird than it already was
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Apr 27, 2022 04:56
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kirbysuperstar posted:It's funny that the censorship to the Albedo scene made it even more weird than it already was I can't help but respect approaches to censorship that instead make a scene even more disturbing. That was basically the entire mission statement of Mark Hamill's Joker.
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Apr 27, 2022 05:04
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If anybody cares https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KXEJ-2TgEbLs2yCUFYquc-opxjHr_8thniw8GjH1cHI/edit quote:Cloud’s consciousness as a Sephiroth Copy is awakened after he’s called upon by Sephiroth (or rather, Jenova in his guise) in the mural room. This is likely the reason he firmly insists on retrieving the Black Materia. After handing over the long-sought Black Materia to Sephiroth, Cloud is overcome with such confusion that he cannot recognize who he is, and violently beats Aerith as she’s standing beside him. quote:Explanation: When Cloud starts acting strangely in front of her, Aerith keeps reassuring him nothing is wrong. Even when he beats her in a half-crazed daze, she stubbornly refuses to fight back. It’s as if she’s aware that the Cloud who’s Sephiroth’s puppet is not the real Cloud, and is trying to alleviate his fears. it's a bit nostalgic. 20 years ago I argued about Jenova controlling Sephiroth until somebody posted quotes from the Ultimania Omega. i still refused to believe it, even then These are 3rd party sources, not written by the writes themselves.... Still, whatever. Also quote:There’s a scene where Cloud and Aerith laugh together after they escape the church. This is the only time in Final Fantasy VII’s entire story where Cloud laughs freely. Could it be because they sensed something special about one another that they were able to interact so comfortably only moments after meeting?
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Apr 27, 2022 06:16
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I wasn't sure what megathread to post this in... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTtl38FBCQ
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Apr 27, 2022 07:00
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kirbysuperstar posted:It's funny that the censorship to the Albedo scene made it even more weird than it already was Yeah. Unlike Xenosaga 3's censorship, removing all blood which made numerous scenes in that game a bit of a mess, Xenosaga 1's censorship if anything made it more disturbing than it originally was. I still don't get how blood was okay in Xenosaga 1 and 2 for the same ESRB rating, but all traces of blood had to be removed in 3. Did the ESRB tighten restrictions at the time or was Bamco just really overzealous?
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Apr 27, 2022 11:01
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Yeah. Unlike Xenosaga 3's censorship, removing all blood which made numerous scenes in that game a bit of a mess, Xenosaga 1's censorship if anything made it more disturbing than it originally was. I don't know any Xeno games that aren't Chronicles 2, but it might be that 3 had more blood, or blood in a more horrifying context. Ace Attorney hit that problem; the fifth game got an M rating compared to the T of the rest of the series, because while all the games had blood, Dual Destinies had blood in an excessive and horrifying context rather than the more clinical contexts of the other games.
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Apr 27, 2022 11:17
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Well the blood is always in a pretty horrifying context in Xenosaga, not like the forensic context of AA. Blood in Xenosaga never looks good IMO, even though it had pretty impressive cutscenes for the time. That's part of why the Episode 1 scene being censored is improved. But in Episode 3, a huge focus of a scene is a little girl holding a handful of blood but in the censored version she's holding nothing and it makes a pretty dark and serious scene rather silly. I can only guess it being a focus of an FMV with a child is maybe the cause of the censorship.
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Apr 27, 2022 11:48
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NikkolasKing posted:Well the blood is always in a pretty horrifying context in Xenosaga, not like the forensic context of AA. Blood in Xenosaga never looks good IMO, even though it had pretty impressive cutscenes for the time. That's part of why the Episode 1 scene being censored is improved. But in Episode 3, a huge focus of a scene is a little girl holding a handful of blood but in the censored version she's holding nothing and it makes a pretty dark and serious scene rather silly. That would actually also track with Dual Destinies, because its big bloody scene is also with a child.
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Apr 27, 2022 12:56
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Cleretic posted:That would actually also track with Dual Destinies, because its big bloody scene is also with a child. Weirdly I think the most disturbing Ace Attorney case I saw was in Apollo, when it featured like an actual strangulation that you watched happen. No blood though  I always thought the ESRB was a bit of a Calvinball endeavor though since its industry run. Do they actually have published criteria or anything?
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Apr 27, 2022 13:03
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Jack visibly frustrated explaining to Donald + the latest Sora that memories aren't that important and you have got to kill Chaos.
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Apr 27, 2022 16:07
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Schwartzcough posted:Bachiosaurs are the rare encounter, and honestly I don't trust the RNG in the PR. I know the rare steal rate, at least, was totally hosed when I played it. Also, a bunch of the encounter tables were really screwed up, and fights that shouldn't be that rare were super rare. Took forever to get a lot of the monsters on the Floating Continent. This. I had my Locke steal from a hill gigas for 15 minutes and not get an item. Spent probably an hour on Goddess to try and get a 2nd minerva bustier and no luck there either. Both setups included the steal boosting accessory as well. Even getting the Gem Box off the Phoenix cave enemy is a huge PITA. OTOH I stole Ragnarok on the first try in the final fight, only to find out that the save file you make after beating the game doesn't let you keep it which is extremely dumb.
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Apr 27, 2022 16:22
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I’ve finally reach the promised land of Shadowbringers, aka the one where you can do the story content solo with AI partners. Im excited that I now get to enjoy the core content on my own terms, but it’s also ironic that they’ve now started patching that into the base game and earlier expansions. I signed up a year too early! It was getting to the point that I’d just drop the game upon reaching a story related duty until one of my higher levels friends was available to just run me through it unsynced so I could continue, rather than play with queues of randos. That’s not to say I’ve had many poor experiences playing with others, but I like to enjoy the content without having to worry about meeting the expectations or pace of other players. Im glad the devs understand there’s weirdos like me who want to play the MMO without having to actually interact with people lol.
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Apr 27, 2022 16:29
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Always amusing to discover there's someone who apparently loathes interacting with other people online even more than I do lol You still have to do most of the Trials with other people now sorry, and you're missing out if you don't do any of the raid storylines.
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Apr 27, 2022 16:35
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Sakurazuka posted:Always amusing to discover there's someone who apparently loathes interacting with other people online even more than I do lol Right, and the good news is I’m a hopeless completionist so I absolutely have to do all the available content at some point or another. No lie one of my favorite things to do in this game is get to a new area, see all the sidequest markers, and then go to town clearing the map of them. I realize this is a bad trait to have in an online MMO with practically endless content. Combine that with my aversion to online interactions with strangers and I honestly don’t know how this game has its hooks in me so well. I think what makes it so fun is you really can make the majority of meaningful progress and poo poo on your own, so you’re not totally reliant on buddying up with people at every turn. There’s a good feedback loop of “I’m accomplishing poo poo”. I appreciate that about it.
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Apr 27, 2022 16:44
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Make sure you got a class in each job type (5 of em) by the time you get to endwalker if you wanna do everything story related. Shadowbringers owns tho, easily the best. Ff14 is a great single player ff.
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Apr 27, 2022 17:21
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I get the feeling, I used to get anxiety every time the MSQ would get to a point where I'd have to do an actual MP duty with other players. But eventually I got over it because it turns out that most people aren't very good and there are very few instances in which anyone cares. If you're not doing anything outside of story difficulty content it's really not a big deal.
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Apr 27, 2022 17:28
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Weirdly I think the most disturbing Ace Attorney case I saw was in Apollo, when it featured like an actual strangulation that you watched happen. No blood though Yeah  Gah
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Apr 27, 2022 17:30
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Professor Beetus posted:I get the feeling, I used to get anxiety every time the MSQ would get to a point where I'd have to do an actual MP duty with other players. But eventually I got over it because it turns out that most people aren't very good and there are very few instances in which anyone cares. If you're not doing anything outside of story difficulty content it's really not a big deal. I found hiding the log window, setting status to RP with a note in the examine that RP=log window off helped with that 1000% and not just in duties lol you might miss out on a hunt/fate thing going on but eh, its a trade off
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Apr 27, 2022 17:36
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Electric Phantasm posted:Yeah Man get that filth out of here! He's breaking his own skull!! was the case where the doctor (iirc) strangles his nurse in apollo? I remember thinking it was way worse than your usual reveal because you actually see it happening versus "has weapon, swing, cut to body like the others
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Apr 27, 2022 17:45
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Vikar Jerome posted:I found hiding the log window, setting status to RP with a note in the examine that RP=log window off helped with that 1000% and not just in duties lol you might miss out on a hunt/fate thing going on but eh, its a trade off This seems like a bit much, especially since people actually do explain mechanics via the party chat, but whatever it takes I guess. FF14 is really an incredible JRPG and very worthy to be a mainline Final Fantasy title so I hope more people give it a chance. I was even a person who scoffed at this sentiment before I came back to the game last October, but finishing up HW->Endwalker made me a true believer.
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Apr 27, 2022 17:58
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Professor Beetus posted:This seems like a bit much, especially since people actually do explain mechanics via the party chat, but whatever it takes I guess. FF14 is really an incredible JRPG and very worthy to be a mainline Final Fantasy title so I hope more people give it a chance. I was even a person who scoffed at this sentiment before I came back to the game last October, but finishing up HW->Endwalker made me a true believer. you dont need mechanics explaining, game does a good job of showing you whats going on, and learning as you go, at least from my experience. they dont call it babys first mmo for nothing lol. always found it weird tho how a lot of people in game act like its dark souls blindfolded or something, but whatever. yeah its a solid entry worthy of the ff name, at least hw->endwalker, even with some of the misteps along the way. its wild because it felt like you were watching them learn how to tell a story and write characters along the way. goddamn ff16 is gonna own.
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Apr 27, 2022 18:11
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man nurse posted:Right, and the good news is I’m a hopeless completionist so I absolutely have to do all the available content at some point or another. No lie one of my favorite things to do in this game is get to a new area, see all the sidequest markers, and then go to town clearing the map of them. Hell yes. There are some good little arcs in there.
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Apr 27, 2022 18:23
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Vikar Jerome posted:you dont need mechanics explaining, game does a good job of showing you whats going on, and learning as you go, at least from my experience. they dont call it babys first mmo for nothing lol. always found it weird tho how a lot of people in game act like its dark souls blindfolded or something, but whatever. 100%. I think one thing that made it work for me was that, even in ARR, they'd created characters interesting enough that I wanted to keep seeing how they developed, even in the less great ARR stuff. As they improve the storytelling, for the most part the character arcs get better as well. It made me feel invested in the cast for a long time, and even though I burned through the entire hw-ew story in a couple months, it felt like I'd known these characters for years. I was incredibly sold 99% of the time.
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Apr 27, 2022 19:02
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Almost finished with FFVI, which should I try next: FFV or Chrono Trigger? I’ve never played either.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:13
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TL posted:Almost finished with FFVI, which should I try next: FFV or Chrono Trigger? I’ve never played either. I'd say Chrono Trigger. FFV might feel a bit too similar in places while CT is very much its own thing in addition to being a really great game.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:30
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Save FFV for a blind fiesta run this summer. It'll be here before you know it!
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Apr 27, 2022 23:42
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Mustached Demon posted:Save FFV for a blind fiesta run this summer. It'll be here before you know it! Not sure I want my first play through to be a FJF fun but one day!
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TL posted:Not sure I want my first play through to be a FJF fun but one day! It's way less daunting than you'd think. The discord can help you navigate through in any walls. Pro: you won't get decision paralysis about all the choices. Con: you don't get to experience all the jobs on one playthrough. Either ones perfectly fine because you'll be playing V and it's the best of the NES/SNES era.
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Apr 28, 2022 01:49
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I’ve only got 3 of 4 crystals in FFIII right now and I’m feeling the job selection paralysis. Thief or Black Belt? Viking or Knight? Evoker or Geomancer (or Ranger)? … At least I have one character that can just be a White Mage.
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The nice thing about 3 is that you're not locked into any particular thing. I think the Pixel Remaster even fixed some jobs that were kinda useless in the original.
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