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SweetMercifulCrap!
Jan 28, 2012
Lipstick Apathy
It was an absurd idea in 1996 but now that's what half of all musicals are actually like

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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A musical about socialist uprisings and pitched street battles in 19th-century France? What are you crazy?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
My dream disaster project is a Dune musical myself.

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

It was an absurd idea in 1996 but now that's what half of all musicals are actually like

And if not, see the Hamilton jokes about the Mediocre Presidents song.

Also, on thought I'm pretty sure you could absolutely make a Lionel Hutz: Ace Attorney game entirely in-character for everyone involved.

Prurient Squid
Jul 21, 2008

Tiddy cat Buddha improving your day.

Keromaru5
Dec 28, 2012

Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

Ghost Leviathan posted:

My dream disaster project is a Dune musical myself.
What gets me is how in Japan, seemingly any successful anime gets a stage musical--Saint Seiya, Prince of Tennis, Sailor Moon, friggin' Death Note.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Keromaru5 posted:

What gets me is how in Japan, seemingly any successful anime gets a stage musical--Saint Seiya, Prince of Tennis, Sailor Moon, friggin' Death Note.

yu yu hakusho..

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010


OBJECTION!

You claim that Santa's Little Helper couldn't have eaten Milhouse's fish because the fish never existed.

[Present Fish Bowl]

Yet this was found inside his room. Why would he own a fish bowl if he didn't own a fish?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Mantis42 posted:

OBJECTION!

Sustained




Data Graham posted:

A musical about socialist uprisings and pitched street battles in 19th-century France? What are you crazy?

A musical about a spider-themed superhero taking on some sort of director self-insert spider goddess, scored by Bono and The Edge from U2? That'll never work!

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006



What the hell is wrong with Homer's face/head? Why does the rest of the body look like it's a different art style?

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Mr Interweb posted:

i was watching the episode where marge becomes a real estate agent (phil hartman''s last episode :smith: ) and i keep forgetting that gil was in that episode too. i honestly thought they created him as a replacement for hutz

Hartman’s last episode was Bart the Mother

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

edogawa rando posted:

Sustained

A musical about a spider-themed superhero taking on some sort of director self-insert spider goddess, scored by Bono and The Edge from U2? That'll never work!

Indeed it didn't!

Though frankly, Starlight Express.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Detective No. 27 posted:



What the hell is wrong with Homer's face/head? Why does the rest of the body look like it's a different art style?

Yeah it looks like someone photoshopped his head onto another cartoon's body.

Aside from being lame parody, it's rather insulting by today's standards. A sub in his pocket?

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I would bet my first born child that it was originally a drawing of Trump. That white square on his lapel was probably a US flag pin.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Detective No. 27 posted:

I would bet my first born child that it was originally a drawing of Trump. That white square on his lapel was probably a US flag pin.

I bet you're right. That would be why the outline on the hand is so thick; they blew it up.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Detective No. 27 posted:



What the hell is wrong with Homer's face/head? Why does the rest of the body look like it's a different art style?

I'm glad to see the guys who draw simpsons porn can find legit work.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

I'm glad to see the guys who draw simpsons porn can find legit work.

Post/Avatar combo checks out.

you broke my grill
Jul 11, 2019

https://twitter.com/AlJean/status/1518683193653678080

spaceblancmange
Apr 19, 2018

#essereFerrari

Don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments

ah gently caress

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's unfortunately more of a case of square peg, round hole. Gil works as a one-note character, preferably at the expense of whatever the Simpsons are trying to do, because he's pathetic enough to not be sympathetic- which very quickly becomes grating when he outstays the gag

And he always does the last 20 years. That being said, as terrible as "Maximum Homerdrive" is, Gil saying "and today's my evaluation with Senor Ding-Dong!" is quality

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006

At least a couple people get it

https://twitter.com/ViciousSkid/status/1518709585577938944
https://twitter.com/JamesRKirk/status/1518703534853791746

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Detective No. 27 posted:



What the hell is wrong with Homer's face/head? Why does the rest of the body look like it's a different art style?

At least make it the rancid sub and have it be sick Homer.

Although didn’t think I could have a lower opinion of Al Jean but there you go.

Diorama
Apr 18, 2006

i remember when all this was fields
Well, it took about two weeks, but I just read this whole thread cover to cover.

Absolutely insane to think that if I had watched an episode of the Simpsons every time I finished a page of this thread, I would still have over 200 episodes left to watch (and would already have been watching dreck for about 300 episodes).

Thanks for the laughs, it's been a great read.

One of the themes that seems to come up again and again is "when did you notice that the Simpsons was no longer good?". A lot of people seem to have had a single moment where it happened (Princ. and the Paup., Jockey Elves etc.), but I think it slowly crept up on me. I remember that I didn't know who Kim Basinger or Alec Baldwin were, and that that episode definitely felt 'different', but I thought the ending with Ron Howard and the 'best friend is a talking pie' was funny, and it had a few zingers in it. I think I had been drifting away from the show already, in terms of being much less excited about seeing a 'new episode' than if the Scorpio one came on, but I remember Sky One in the UK heavily hyping the "300th Episode! With Tony Hawk!!!!!" for weeks on end, then watching it with my cousin and siblings at my grandma's house, and thinking right then that it wasn't very funny or good. I think I stopped actively seeking Simpsons at that point, and have seen very few (if any) episodes made after that. What was that, season 14/15?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Theyll never stop the Simpsons thread

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
It's funny, I don't really remember the Kim Basinger/Alec Baldwin episode but I remember it getting under my skin not as a "this episode is bad" but "this show is bad" thing. Despite me wanting to say the warning signs were appearing in seasons 7/8, this one really sticks out in my head as a template for modern bad Simpsons.

And I don't even remember the goddamn thing.

Diorama
Apr 18, 2006

i remember when all this was fields
Well, when I was 12 I laughed very hard at the end when Ron Howard steals Homer's poo poo movie idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sscJFcCMs9Q

Don't remember too much else from the episode, except Homer going full jerkass when he feels rejected by the celebs


e:
huh.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Season 8 has a couple of duds but still deserves its place in the good Simpsons canon, but it goes downhill fast in season 9 and I'd put Trash of the Titans down as the first time it really became Bad Simpsons and not just a weak episode

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

I swear to god that in 300 years, idiots will revere this show like Nostradamus.

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

No Dignity posted:

Season 8 has a couple of duds but still deserves its place in the good Simpsons canon, but it goes downhill fast in season 9 and I'd put Trash of the Titans down as the first time it really became Bad Simpsons and not just a weak episode

I think this is fair. I feel like I might have been too harsh on S9 in the past, there are some legit decent episodes in there (New York, Lisa's Sax, Cartridge Family, the first two of which were holdovers from S8) but it's a definite step down with wackier episodes like Das Bus, Simpson Tide and Trash of the Titans. It wasn't just the concepts either, the jokes somehow started to become more desperate and lazy at the same time, even if some of them were still funny.

S10 is a significant step in what the show would become later. More guest stars, zanier plots that are kind of just mish-mashed together and poor characterisation of established and beloved characters, especially Homer. There are some episodes I quite like (Bart the Mother, Lisa Gets an A, Wild Barts Can't Be Broken) but far more that are just average at best. I think this is what makes When You Dish Upon a Star stand out to so many - it's not like celebrity puff pieces were new to the show, it's just that now it wasn't very funny either and there were various other problems. The perfect storm to me is Sunday Cruddy Sunday, which, while not a terrible episode in my opinion, is still overblown with lots of guests and crooked plotting... crooked plotting that the show acknowledges and makes jokes about, which in itself became increasingly tiresome over the next few years.

The change between Scully leaving and Jean returning was probably more defined than I remember it being, but not necessarily in a good way.

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

Diorama posted:

I remember Sky One in the UK heavily hyping the "300th Episode! With Tony Hawk!!!!!" for weeks on end, then watching it with my cousin and siblings at my grandma's house, and thinking right then that it wasn't very funny or good. I think I stopped actively seeking Simpsons at that point, and have seen very few (if any) episodes made after that. What was that, season 14/15?

What's weird about this one is that, if my memory serves me well, it wasn't even the 300th episode. The 300th episode was actually the one where Marge gets a boob job. Maybe Fox/Sky didn't want to promote that one given the content and seeing that the Tony Hawk one had guest stars who were big at the time (Blink 182 as well I think?), but if that was the case, why didn't they just switch the episodes around? (Maybe it's not that simple, idk)

I don't remember which episode was worse.

Empty Sandwich
Apr 22, 2008

goatse mugs
I finally thought to look it up on the Wikipedia:

quote:

FOX insisted that the 300th episode be scheduled specifically on February 16, 2003 so that there was time to plan a huge promotion for the episode.[1] However, the actual 300th episode had already aired two weeks prior. This was referenced in this episode during a joke where Lisa tallies the number of Homer's schemes at 300; Marge comments "I could've sworn it was 302."

Blink-182 recorded their lines for the episode on April 24, 2002; Hawk recorded his a week later on April 29.[2] Mark Hoppus of Blink-182 has stated that being on The Simpsons was "truly one of those “wow, this is unreal” moments that I’ve been lucky enough to experience. It still makes my day every time I think about it."[3]

that explanation doesn't make any sense

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
Yeah, a week's difference in recording doesn't mean poo poo in 2D animation today, much less 20 years ago.

You Are A Werewolf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!

Das Boo posted:

It's funny, I don't really remember the Kim Basinger/Alec Baldwin episode but I remember it getting under my skin not as a "this episode is bad" but "this show is bad" thing. Despite me wanting to say the warning signs were appearing in seasons 7/8, this one really sticks out in my head as a template for modern bad Simpsons.

And I don't even remember the goddamn thing.

:same:

I know I’ve said it before, but I think the Linda and Paul McCartney cameo in “Lisa the Vegetarian” was the first time I thought the show was headed into “Wow, it’s [CELEBRITY]! What are you doing in Springfield?” territory. Plus, the episode itself was very mean-spirited and just not very good, and that was season 7. The cracks were definitely there, then.

Like, all previous celebrity cameos had a rhyme and reason and point for being in Springfield at the time. Linda and Paul McCartney just happened to be chilling on the roof of the Kwik-E-Mart because… ????? :iiam:

The Basinger/Baldwin episode was the first time I thought the show was going to poo poo, though. What a garbage episode.

Empty Sandwich
Apr 22, 2008

goatse mugs
and they seem acknowledge it in-ep. it must just be like an observed holiday date vs actual holiday date... it's a much better (or "better") episode to hang the marker on


e:

^^^ from memory, Paul met Apu in India. Apu says he was basically the fifth Be-atle, and Paul says "sure you were."

not that that really explains it, but it's more setup than they usually do

Empty Sandwich fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Apr 28, 2022

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




No Dignity posted:

Season 8 has a couple of duds but still deserves its place in the good Simpsons canon, but it goes downhill fast in season 9 and I'd put Trash of the Titans down as the first time it really became Bad Simpsons and not just a weak episode

I thought it was a funny episode, but I´d definitely categorise it as post-golden age, mostly because Homer is fully transformed from a lazy well-meaning dummy to the high-energy sociopath he'd remain until whenever it was I stopped watching the show

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Funny thing is all the animated sitcoms seem to go down the same path of the main character turning into a high-energy sociopath when they've become zombified. Family Guy, Spongebob, pretty much anything that should have been cancelled before much of its target audience was born.

American Dad squeaks by because Stan Smith kinda started that way.

mactheknife
Jul 20, 2004

THE JOLLY CANDY-LIKE BUTTON

You Are A Elf posted:


I know I’ve said it before, but I think the Linda and Paul McCartney cameo in “Lisa the Vegetarian” was the first time I thought the show was headed into “Wow, it’s [CELEBRITY]! What are you doing in Springfield?” territory. Plus, the episode itself was very mean-spirited and just not very good, and that was season 7. The cracks were definitely there, then.


this is true and yet even then it gave me "byobb" which i still use/abuse to this day

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

mactheknife posted:

this is true and yet even then it gave me "byobb" which i still use/abuse to this day

'It's still good! It's still good!' also.

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

The tbs seasons of american dad write stan more like peter griffin i found

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




You don't win friends with salad

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Diorama
Apr 18, 2006

i remember when all this was fields

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