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Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/HUlhmGu.gifv

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Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

Big "old man yelling at prequels" vibes there

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



https://twitter.com/TheGr8Aspie/status/1518223890769666048?s=20&t=mU4-fiQp_VJdaewWym3EpJQ]

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
The kind of kid who could walk into a toy store at Christmas and just straight-arm a whole shelf of toys into their parent's trolley.


I remember seeing a Star Wars toy ad when I was a kid with a bunch of kids playing with their toys. One had a Vader figure and, behind him, about 20 stormtroopers.

Blew my loving mind as a kid. "Wait, you can have more than one of a toy?"

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!











Matt Allsopp channeling John Berkey rules.

Peyote Panda
Mar 10, 2019

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I remember seeing a Star Wars toy ad when I was a kid with a bunch of kids playing with their toys. One had a Vader figure and, behind him, about 20 stormtroopers.

Blew my loving mind as a kid. "Wait, you can have more than one of a toy?"
When I was a kid I'd talk with my friends about how we were all going to get multiple stormtroopers so we'd have proper Imperial army, invariably either 10 or 12 of them. Of course, none of us got so much as a second stormtrooper because there was always some new toy we didn't have one of when buying time rolled around.

Now as a grown up, I've sensibly settled for two stormtroopers to flank my Star Wars Black Series Vader. :)

When Hasbro put out that Droid Troop Transport for the prequels that included !20 loving droids! I realized that I'd have done anything to have that as a kid, burn my grandparents' house down with them still in it, whatever. I didn't buy it; just knowing that children today had the easy troop building option made the world seem a little brighter. :cheers:

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



The Legion miniature game finally let's me scratch that squads of toy dudes itch from my youth.

https://twitter.com/TheGr8Aspie/status/1518266267534299139?s=20&t=rlUVgwoxKQU8pqPMqKbnDQ

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Peyote Panda posted:

When I was a kid I'd talk with my friends about how we were all going to get multiple stormtroopers so we'd have proper Imperial army, invariably either 10 or 12 of them. Of course, none of us got so much as a second stormtrooper because there was always some new toy we didn't have one of when buying time rolled around.

Now as a grown up, I've sensibly settled for two stormtroopers to flank my Star Wars Black Series Vader. :)

When Hasbro put out that Droid Troop Transport for the prequels that included !20 loving droids! I realized that I'd have done anything to have that as a kid, burn my grandparents' house down with them still in it, whatever. I didn't buy it; just knowing that children today had the easy troop building option made the world seem a little brighter. :cheers:



The pro move is to collect Lego since so many sets come with one or two Storrmtroopers you end up with a small army after a while.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Where did you think the poo went when the TIE pilots flushed?
The chestbox thing, obviously

veni veni veni posted:

The pro move is to collect Lego since so many sets come with one or two Storrmtroopers you end up with a small army after a while.
This. There's a kid's magazine available in the UK that has one small set on the front every issue for £4.25, and a couple of weeks back they released one with the new 501st trooper figure on it.

So obviously I bought four.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Arquinsiel posted:

The chestbox thing, obviously
Darth Vader's chestbox thing, no less.

Ralph Hurley
Aug 3, 2009

:barf::sweep::zoid:



Megillah Gorilla posted:

The kind of kid who could walk into a toy store at Christmas and just straight-arm a whole shelf of toys into their parent's trolley.


I remember seeing a Star Wars toy ad when I was a kid with a bunch of kids playing with their toys. One had a Vader figure and, behind him, about 20 stormtroopers.

Blew my loving mind as a kid. "Wait, you can have more than one of a toy?"

Same. Between my sister and I we had exactly two stormtroopers. Not exactly an intimidating imperial presence.

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE




All that work on the art and they couldn't fix the credits?

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



According to the artist those (and three other variations I didn't post) were done in a single evening. They're sketches he did for the director, he would have liked to refine them more, but they didn't get chosen to go further and he never found the time.

I find the low res, hastily bashed ESB poster elements to be part of the charm! It goes with the really loose quality of the rest of it.

Different artist, similar subject; finished box art for a boardgame expansion:

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Everyone in that painting looks off in a uniquely different way.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

There's no board games thread so




Prolonged Panorama posted:

According to the artist those (and three other variations I didn't post) were done in a single evening. They're sketches he did for the director, he would have liked to refine them more, but they didn't get chosen to go further and he never found the time.

I find the low res, hastily bashed ESB poster elements to be part of the charm! It goes with the really loose quality of the rest of it.

Different artist, similar subject; finished box art for a boardgame expansion:

Prolonged Panorama posted:





Matt Allsopp channeling John Berkey rules.

I think the overall plot and structure of the movie Rogue One doesn't work right for me, but dang did they put a whole lot of work into the characters and visual designs.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Ever since I noticed it, the TIE Pilot helmet just being a Rebel helmet with a Stormtrooper mask glued to it has been very distracting whenever they show up.


Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Makes sense to a degree. The X-Wing helmet is just Imperial kit with a bit left off, much like the Nebulon-B. I wonder what the TIE pilot helmet looks like with the blast shield down though, and if that's why Han had one in the Falcon.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Robot Style posted:

Ever since I noticed it, the TIE Pilot helmet just being a Rebel helmet with a Stormtrooper mask glued to it has been very distracting whenever they show up.




It would make sense from an in-universe point of view (as opposed to in-props department). The rebels are probably either buying military surplus helmets, or just buying theirs from the same supplier. The Star Wars equivalent of David Clark probably provides the Imperial Spec version for a hundred thousand space bucks to the Empire, and the rebels just buy the much more reasonably priced (but still how does this cost so much expensive) off-the-shelf model, since they don't need fancy storm trooper mask integration.

Dave Syndrome
Jan 11, 2007
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Finger Prince posted:

It would make sense from an in-universe point of view (as opposed to in-props department). The rebels are probably either buying military surplus helmets, or just buying theirs from the same supplier. The Star Wars equivalent of David Clark probably provides the Imperial Spec version for a hundred thousand space bucks to the Empire, and the rebels just buy the much more reasonably priced (but still how does this cost so much expensive) off-the-shelf model, since they don't need fancy storm trooper mask integration.

A lot of The Last Jedi is a blur these days, but doesn't Benicio del Toro's character talk about how a lot of the Empire First Order's ships and the Rebellion Resistance's ships are built by the same manufacturers, so there's people behind the scenes that profit from both sides of the war?

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Dave Syndrome posted:

A lot of The Last Jedi is a blur these days, but doesn't Benicio del Toro's character talk about how a lot of the Empire First Order's ships and the Rebellion Resistance's ships are built by the same manufacturers, so there's people behind the scenes that profit from both sides of the war?

I do remember a scene where space-euro-trash arms dealers titter with delight at some lavish venue about how profitable this war business is, but it didn't go anywhere. Maybe they all got blown up or something? Who knows.

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



It was on that space yacht the Benicio character stole from the casino planet in order to save Finn and Rose, so he could betray them later. Anyway, it had easily accessible ship schematic plans or something showing that the yacht's space-euro-gambler-owner was playing both sides of the war.

It makes no sense because there's always been a big deal made about how the scrappy rebels had to scrounge together durable junky ships from shady dealers and off-brand manufacturers to compete with the shiny assembly-line expendable Imperial ships, so why would they all be getting the same stuff a few years later, but don't think too hard about it.

Hazo fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Apr 27, 2022

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Hazo posted:

It was on that space yacht the Benicio character stole from the casino planet in order to save Finn and Rose, so he could betray them later. Anyway, it had easily accessible ship schematic plans or something showing that the yacht's space-euro-gambler-owner was playing both sides of the war.

It makes no sense because there's always been a big deal made about how the scrappy rebels had to scrounge together durable junky ships from shady dealers and off-brand manufacturers to compete with the shiny assembly-line expendable Imperial ships, so why would they all be getting the same stuff a few years later, but don't think too hard about it.

It kind of makes sense as a callback to Episode 3, where the Jedi fly TIEs and the stormtroopers fly X-Wings with helmets that mix the imagery of both sides of the war.



Though in that case "the war is just a scam that a small group of people are profiting from" was a big part of the story, while in TLJ it's just a throwaway thing.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


God that movie was such a gong show.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
It always seemed weird to me that while supposedly junk, the rebel ships all have way better shields, armaments, hyperdrive, etc than the imperial ships.

Have some N1 Starfighters, actual most beautiful beast of the Star Wars:


Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Apr 28, 2022

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

It always seemed weird to me that while supposedly junk, the rebel ships all have way better shields, armaments, hyperdrive, etc than the imperial ships.

Have some N1 Starfighters, actual most beautiful beast of the Star Wars:




I remember it as the rebels investing in individually better ships because they knew they might not be able to replace them, but as a result they ended up with a bunch of fighters that were beat up pieces of poo poo because of the very fact that they did survive.
Meanwhile in the imperial fleet you never see a damaged tie fighter because when they take a hit, they blow the gently caress up, repeat 1000x and Sinister Industries, Inc. gets a fat new defense contract

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
We also learn in Rebels that the Y-Wings look like they've had the hulls mostly stripped because they have. They were all stolen from a junker's yard. All of them. Every single one. At the same time. By Chopper.

Hazo posted:

It was on that space yacht the Benicio character stole from the casino planet in order to save Finn and Rose, so he could betray them later. Anyway, it had easily accessible ship schematic plans or something showing that the yacht's space-euro-gambler-owner was playing both sides of the war.

It makes no sense because there's always been a big deal made about how the scrappy rebels had to scrounge together durable junky ships from shady dealers and off-brand manufacturers to compete with the shiny assembly-line expendable Imperial ships, so why would they all be getting the same stuff a few years later, but don't think too hard about it.
The Resistance isn't the Rebellion, it's a Republic black-ops unit drawing from state supply, until it isn't because the state got exploded. As to why it's a T-70 in the holo-catalogue and not a T-85, same answer as for all the tie-in material for TFA: "nobody designed the T-85 yet".

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



skasion posted:

I remember it as the rebels investing in individually better ships because they knew they might not be able to replace them, but as a result they ended up with a bunch of fighters that were beat up pieces of poo poo because of the very fact that they did survive.

The X-wing was originally an Imperial project, but the designers defected with the plans and prototypes right as they were about to enter full scale production.

skasion posted:

Meanwhile in the imperial fleet you never see a damaged tie fighter because when they take a hit, they blow the gently caress up, repeat 1000x and Sinister Industries, Inc. gets a fat new defense contract

TIEs are made by Sienar Fleet Systems, so, yeah lol.


lol at the situational awareness you'd have wearing this inside a TIE cockpit, no wonder TIEs are considered strictly inferior.


If we're gonna do Lego N1s, you've got to go with the custom version: [some CG renders I did]



muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Well they should be making more toys of it since that's Din's ship in Mando s3.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I haven't played Squadrons but lol at how everyone talks about the TIEs being exactly as awkward as the seem. One entirely forward-facing viewport, plus you've got to look through the tiny eyeholes in your helmet. No wonder the rebels won.

Me and my wife both got pilot licenses recently, and visual flying rules are hard enough. Good lord imagine flying around in an imperial helmet with WW2 instruments and a TIE cockpit.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 28, 2022

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Tie pilot helmets (and Stormtrooper helmets) have complex AR HUD optics, the physical cockpit displays are just redundancies. The rebels don't have them so they have to make do with a janky external targeting computer. Unfortunately, the AR overlay requires exact, precise, individual calibration for every user, otherwise targeting will be wildly inaccurate. Just about doable for the pilot corps, not so much for the storm trooper grunts. But Grand Moff Kickbacks was sold on the flashy sales pitch, figured hell they're clones, their eyes are all the same anyway, and contracted 100 million units with options for another 200 million.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist
Furthermore, if you look at these detailed schematics

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Finger Prince posted:

Tie pilot helmets (and Stormtrooper helmets) have complex AR HUD optics, the physical cockpit displays are just redundancies. The rebels don't have them so they have to make do with a janky external targeting computer. Unfortunately, the AR overlay requires exact, precise, individual calibration for every user, otherwise targeting will be wildly inaccurate. Just about doable for the pilot corps, not so much for the storm trooper grunts. But Grand Moff Kickbacks was sold on the flashy sales pitch, figured hell they're clones, their eyes are all the same anyway, and contracted 100 million units with options for another 200 million.

I see you went to the mofference

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Finger Prince posted:

Tie pilot helmets (and Stormtrooper helmets) have complex AR HUD optics, the physical cockpit displays are just redundancies.





Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Zesty posted:

Furthermore, if you look at these detailed schematics



“Stormtrooper Helmet

There are a number of different models of Imperial stormtrooper standard issue helmets, incorporating various specialized components and changing over time with new developments. In this model, enhanced optical equipment creates holographic images of the surrounding terrain, shielding the eye from excessive brightness and offering vision through many barriers such as smoke, darkness, and fire. Optical equipment in trooper helmets can range from simple eye lenses to these elaborate vision processors.”

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

The best is still the Scout Trooper armour because it looks cool and eliminates all peripheral vision

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Animal Friend posted:

The best is still the Scout Trooper armour because it looks cool and eliminates all peripheral vision

"You will ride your bike in a straight line on this forest moon filled with trees close together and you will like it, or would you prefer sanitation duty on the Death Star?"

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004




Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE




It just occurred to me that Boba never actually met or has any reason to care about Grogu.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
That book is a seriously cool read if you can find it. Just all kinds of batshit illustrations like that and some :words: trying to justify the weirdass animals they invented for the universe.

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