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ruddiger posted:Aliens feels so restricted by its sets and budget when you watch it against things like Platoon or Black Hawk Down. Well, Ridley Scott is a better director than James Cameron. BHD is a better war movie than Aliens, though BHD had the advantage of support from the DoD.
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Basebf555 posted:Watched Alien and Aliens last night for my Alien Day. I definitely noticed that Aliens felt a bit cheap and the production design was not on the same level as Alien, it's much easier to notice when you watch them back to back like that. It may also be that the blu ray doesn't do the sets any favors, it all has a somewhat flat appearance, whereas I watch Alien on UHD so there's a lot more detail and texture to everything. I think it's especially noticeable during the APC rescue, it's just really obvious that there's like nothing there when it's speeding it's way towards the hive/wall.
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DeimosRising posted:Hey what was that EGG movie you posted recently? I haven’t gotten a chance to watch it yet, is it an alien movie? EGG (2005) is an EGG movie, not an Alien movie. But it is somewhat Alien-adjacent, given that it centers around an egg. ruddiger posted:Aliens feels so restricted by its sets and budget when you watch it against things like Platoon or Black Hawk Down. I'm going to (probably) blaspheme, and say it's a lot of the production design and even just Cameron's focus. Like, the story is set in a frontier town in the Space 1980's, with a population of over 100 - but you get basically nothing about what life is like beyond Ripley's ugly-rear end space sneakers and a few quick shots of a donut and a dang habitrail. Contrast the setting with the mining colony in Outland, which had roughly the same budget. There you got the saloon, the sheriff's office, the brothel, the living quarters, mess hall, the actual places where the mining is done, etc. Aliens just doesn't really do the heavy lifting of creating a plausible environment. It has a utilitarian aesthetic, but things aren't actually functional at all: troops wearing short sleeves to fight acid monsters, the APC with zero ground clearance.... Everyone loves the Tonka-truck style of the power-loader suit, but there's a reason forklifts don't have legs. Like, why does Hadley's Hope have a welcome sign at the edge of town? Who's driving there? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Apr 28, 2022 16:25
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PeterCat posted:Well, Ridley Scott is a better director than James Cameron. BHD is a better war movie than Aliens, though BHD had the advantage of support from the DoD. Goddamn I didn't even think about Ridley directing Black Hawk Down and I brought it up.
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Dog_Meat posted:- An awkward exchange as Ripley is leaving to go and find Newt where Hicks tells her his name is Dwayne Awkward? I think it's a nice little moment.
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Apr 28, 2022 17:57
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Payndz posted:That wouldn't make sense without altering the plot, though, as the only reason Newt's family go to the Derelict is because they were sent there by Burke, and he didn't do that until after he'd heard Ripley's report and (presumably) got an idea of where to look for it. That's true. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Like, why does Hadley's Hope have a welcome sign at the edge of town? Who's driving there? lol, I never thought of that. I guess it's for people like Newt's family who are coming back from exploring the planet and the sign is just a pisstake.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Like, why does Hadley's Hope have a welcome sign at the edge of town? Who's driving there?
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sigher posted:That's true. Yeah it’s totally meant as a joke, the point of the sign is they don’t get any visitors.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
Lots of people drive in this movie. I'll leave the math to you on why the marines in a Vietnam in Space movie seem poorly equipped and under-prepared for the job, I'm sure you'll come up with some more counter-intuitive nonsense contradicted by things characters are doing and saying.
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If SMG genuinely doesn't understand the concept of jokes or irony then a whole lot of things suddenly make sense.
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They show wheeled vehicles but they're either industrial vehicles for the mining colony itself or the marine's apc, there's no other established mining towns on the planet so the roads out of town would only lead to dig sites. Of course if we're going to acknowledge that it's a mining town, then of course they'd get visitors all the time to export whatever it is they're mining and import off world necessities that aren't native to planet, like food. It's just that they wouldn't be arriving in town by truck, it would be by starship, so maybe the course the Nostromo took looked like this. 
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Apr 28, 2022 20:08
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its a joke by the colonists and an attempt to make the mining colony feel and look like an actual town instead of a lone mining colony on a planet that is barely livable
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Apr 28, 2022 20:13
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I always assumed it was a tongue-in-cheek gently caress You to the company wherever they come to visit.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:14
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Lots of people drive in this movie. American soldiers were extremely well equipped for the job of killing an absolutely shitload of people.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:25
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Splicer posted:If SMG genuinely doesn't understand the concept of jokes or irony then a whole lot of things suddenly make sense. They told you a long time ago that they were a bot, you just didn't listen
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Apr 28, 2022 20:26
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Splicer posted:If SMG genuinely doesn't understand the concept of jokes or irony then a whole lot of things suddenly make sense. If the sign is an ironic joke by the colonists, why did the colonists vandalize it with an additional ironic joke? Someone scrawled "HAVE A NICE DAY" on it. The graffiti ties in thematically with the various catchphrases and stuff that the marines paint on their gear - which that brings us back to the question of why the marines' technology is stupid. Are they wearing bulletproof armor (against animals that don't use guns) ironically? The simpler explanation is that the film presents a toyetic fantasy of work and warfare.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:American soldiers were extremely well equipped for the job of killing an absolutely shitload of people.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:If the sign is an ironic joke by the colonists, why did the colonists vandalize it with an additional ironic joke? Someone scrawled "HAVE A NICE DAY" on it. “Brody… SICK vandalism! That is a deliberate mutilation of a public service message!”
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Apr 28, 2022 20:49
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It’s a further joke lmao, there are no nice days on LV-426, it’s a terraforming project in the rear end-end of space with perpetually lovely weather
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Apr 28, 2022 21:16
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how are you going to read the sign if the constantly lovely weather makes the sign unreadable I’d ask who goes out into lovely weather just for a gag but then again 
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its a very boring planet
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MrMojok posted:“Brody… SICK vandalism! That is a deliberate mutilation of a public service message!” Exactly: as with the ‘hopeful’ name of the town, the sign is totally sincere. The graffiti is then an ironic joke at the expense of whoever put up the sign. (The company? The government?). So, you can redeem it by saying that the sign was installed by some dumb authority, and that the workers are cynics (like all the characters are). The lack of clarity on who actually made the sign is an issue, but oh well. But then, you’ve got the big neon sign that reads “BAR”, in a town with three buildings. Now we have a second thing that only makes sense for, like, an everyday truck stop and not an extremely remote space colony. (And who calls a bar “BAR” anyways?)
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Apr 28, 2022 21:55
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:its a very boring planet Not that boring, it has a derelict spaceship from an advanced creator race filled with new and exciting ways to be genocided.
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keep punching joe posted:Not that boring, it has a derelict spaceship from an advanced creator race filled with new and exciting ways to be genocided. thats a whole days drive
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ruddiger posted:how are you going to read the sign if the constantly lovely weather makes the sign unreadable I think that’s just another layer to the joke 
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:its a joke by the colonists and an attempt to make the mining colony feel and look like an actual town instead of a lone mining colony on a planet that is barely livable SuperMechagodzilla posted:If the sign is an ironic joke by the colonists, why did the colonists vandalize it with an additional ironic joke? Someone scrawled "HAVE A NICE DAY" on it. Other Adults: Let's put up a sign because this place sucks poo poo Teens: Let's vandalise the sign because this place sucks poo poo
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:But then, you’ve got the big neon sign that reads “BAR”, in a town with three buildings. Now we have a second thing that only makes sense for, like, an everyday truck stop and not an extremely remote space colony. (And who calls a bar “BAR” anyways?) This is precisely what I'd do if I lived in a cramped terraforming colony pod.
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The whole place is a pre-fab out of the box template for all Weyland Yutani offworld mining towns (one of the company suits refers to is as a shake and bake colony), all of that was probably designed to be as generic as possible. The sign on the outskirts of town was probably part of the initial CAD model they used for the town template and no one cared enough to change it.
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its good to know where the bar is
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If i were stuck at Hadley's Hope i would expect the bar to be prominently labeled cause I'd be there every day when my grind in the shithole that is LV426 is done. Just make it easy for me thanks. I took the sign as yet another show of "care" from the company. It's all performative that they give a poo poo about the quality of life of anyone, so of course the folks there that got stuck with this poo poo job are gonna poke fun at its absurdity. We put it up to make you feel at home as it stares into the wastes! thanks WY.
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i personally would have went to the bar when the xenomorphs started abducting people because that really is the best time to get wasted on cheap alcohol
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YOLOsubmarine posted:American soldiers were extremely well equipped for the job of killing an absolutely shitload of people. They were definitely well-equipped to mow down villagers wholesale, commit genocide, and poison everyone with defoliants that cause birth defects, not to win an actual war against an enemy fighting asymmetrically who didn't entertain a plan B. Just ask the guys running foot patrols in the jungle, or any of the people involved in the hundreds of documented attempts to murder their commanding officers. 
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i personally would have went to the bar when the xenomorphs started abducting people because that really is the best time to get wasted on cheap alcohol
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Splicer posted:You absolutely know someone tried to kill their implanted chestburster by drowning it in vodka Now I’m picturing a chestburster popping out and it’s totally shitfaced, just drunkenly slithering around in circles.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:things aren't actually functional at all: troops wearing short sleeves to fight acid monsters
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Xenomrph posted:Now I’m picturing a chestburster popping out and it’s totally shitfaced, just drunkenly slithering around in circles.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:They were definitely well-equipped to mow down villagers wholesale, commit genocide, and poison everyone with defoliants that cause birth defects, not to win an actual war against an enemy fighting asymmetrically who didn't entertain a plan B. Don't burn yourself there.
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The neon bar sign like the drinking bird or newts mardi gras beads and all the other stuff she fills her spiderhole with is just some tchotchke poo poo people brought from home to ward off the desire to kill themselves every 10min for working in that hellhole
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Does the off world bar have a neon budweiser sign? The true test
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banned from Starbucks posted:The neon bar sign like the drinking bird or newts mardi gras beads and all the other stuff she fills her spiderhole with is just some tchotchke poo poo people brought from home to ward off the desire to kill themselves every 10min for working in that hellhole This is true. Here's a video of a US FOB in Syria that was essentially abandoned overnight. Check out the amount of chintzy crap that people left behind. I mean, seriously watch this video, it's like Hadley's Hope in the desert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zirwF-fb6EQ PeterCat fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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