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48 | 42.48% |
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3 | 2.65% |
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12 | 10.62% |
| UAP Majoirty |
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21 | 18.58% |
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Bargearse posted:Even Howard was capable of showing genuine leadership from time to time. The gun ban was some legit good leadership. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but yeah at least gotta give him that.
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Apr 28, 2022 13:26
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abbott was significantly worse than morrison - just look at the 2014 budget, real hardline ideologue stuff, gigantic cuts everywhere, directly broke all his election promises - this is what the liberals truly want to do if given the chance and we were just lucky that abbott and hockey were too stupid to wait until they had a favourable senate to go charging ahead. highlights included wanting to completely remove bulk billing for GPs and pathology and completely cut unemployment benefits for people under 30 for the first 6 months while still requiring them to complete all the mandatory JSP bullshit. thankfully the abbott government showed pretty much no ability to negotiate with the senate crossbench effectively and failed to pass most of their key legislation. he was extremely ineffective and unpopular and absolutely would have lost the 2016 election had turnbull not rolled him. morrison on the other hand is slimy and has little serious agenda beyond staying in power. he's fairly pragmatic and has largely avoided hardline policies like abbott's that would be extremely unpopular, preferring to try to just chip away around the edges where he sees opportunities to make things worse. also has at the very least "didn't totally gently caress up covid" going for him
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Apr 28, 2022 13:32
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Amoeba102 posted:Is there a way in which Abbott was worse than Morrison? does not having the punchable smirk count?
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Apr 28, 2022 13:54
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:so help me there is no hope for this political system. it's all just going to fall apart in the next drought and then it's going to be every town for itself lol Yeah nah
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Apr 28, 2022 15:37
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Tony Abbott only seems more dastardly and capable as he had the likes of Julie Bishop and Christopher Pyne and such behind him. Anyone of merit left last election expecting a wipe out. Imagine scomo with an effective cabinet. We would be in far worse a place.
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Apr 28, 2022 15:47
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lih posted:abbott was significantly worse than morrison - just look at the 2014 budget, real hardline ideologue stuff, gigantic cuts everywhere, directly broke all his election promises - this is what the liberals truly want to do if given the chance and we were just lucky that abbott and hockey were too stupid to wait until they had a favourable senate to go charging ahead. highlights included wanting to completely remove bulk billing for GPs and pathology and completely cut unemployment benefits for people under 30 for the first 6 months while still requiring them to complete all the mandatory JSP bullshit. thankfully the abbott government showed pretty much no ability to negotiate with the senate crossbench effectively and failed to pass most of their key legislation. he was extremely ineffective and unpopular and absolutely would have lost the 2016 election had turnbull not rolled him. Jesus Christ, I actually forgot about that under 30 - 6 months bullshit. Where on earth do they actually expect that position to lead? Full employment as dole-bludgers get off their bums and become productive members of society? Full employment as desperate people take whatever position they can for whatever they can? Crime because a normal person would drat themselves over damning their loved ones? I remember him being a oval office, but I guess I forgot the details...
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Apr 28, 2022 16:19
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Abbott was worse but there's a kind of charisma to someone who actually believes in something, even if it's awful. Morrison doesn't have that
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Apr 28, 2022 21:27
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lih posted:also has at the very least "didn't totally gently caress up covid" going for him Abbott on the other hand was a let-her-rip advocate https://thewest.com.au/business/tony-abbott-criticises-australias-covid-19-response-slams-rules-as-oppressive-c-4189638
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Apr 28, 2022 21:40
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dr_rat posted:The gun ban was some legit good leadership. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but yeah at least gotta give him that. Howard's sole other decent piece of leadership was the $1billion aid to Indonesia in response to the Boxing Day tsunami. It positively reset our relationship with our biggest neighbour and was the right thing to do. On the other hand he was a racist piece of poo poo so....
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Apr 28, 2022 23:25
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hambeet posted:Tony Abbott only seems more dastardly and capable as he had the likes of Julie Bishop and Christopher Pyne and such behind him. Anyone of merit left last election expecting a wipe out. nearly all the high profile liberal retirements at the last election were moderates who supported turnbull. kinda get the impression that turnbull getting rolled made it clear to them that moderates like them were never going to comfortably have power within the party and thus there was no room for their ambitions at all - bishop and pyne very obviously had leadership ambitions but if turnbull couldn't make things work as leader they were never going to be able to.
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Apr 28, 2022 23:34
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Howard did irreparable damage to Australia, but most of that was intentional, part of a vision for what his government wanted the country to be. I disagree with most of the changes he made, but for his supporters at least they could point to how Australia had been changed by his time in power. Since 2013, with 9 years of power, what has the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison government actually done? What's their legacy?
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Apr 28, 2022 23:44
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Senor Tron posted:
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Apr 28, 2022 23:51
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dr_rat posted:The gun ban was some legit good leadership. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but yeah at least gotta give him that. Gun ban was just propaganda, Australia, especially rural Australia, is full of guns, always has been, always will be full of guns.
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Apr 28, 2022 23:59
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Beffer posted:On the other hand he Unfortunately that's still current tense.
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Apr 29, 2022 00:04
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Launchpad McQuack posted:Gun ban was just propaganda, Australia, especially rural Australia, is full of guns, always has been, always will be full of guns. Semi automatic rifles? Pistols?
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Apr 29, 2022 00:09
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my friend lives in the inner city of Sydney and has several competition pistols and about 6 rifles. All of them legal/registered, but yeah. lotsa guns out there. he is one of about 6 guys i know with guns.
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Apr 29, 2022 00:13
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Laserface posted:my friend lives in the inner city of Sydney and has several competition pistols and about 6 rifles. All of them legal/registered, but yeah. lotsa guns out there. Yes unfortunately we didn't ban guns as a concept and many of them still exist, clearly the whole gun regulation thing was a failure.
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Apr 29, 2022 00:49
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The Sydney Harbour Bridge has a pistol range in it too, would you believe it. Guns are still everywhere
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Apr 29, 2022 01:01
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The most positive thing I can say about Howard is that he was competent in executing his vision and selling those changes. The vision was dogshit and the changes loving dire, but he wasn't toxic, a complete buffoon, or spineless which all of his successsors have been some combination of. The destruction of the higher education system he wrought is the seed of the crisis we are seeing there today. This applies to a bunch of other things as well. gently caress that guy, I wish he'd been more of a vapid dickhead.
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Apr 29, 2022 01:12
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:so help me there is no hope for this political system. it's all just going to fall apart in the next drought and then it's going to be every town for itself lol ColtMcAsskick posted:Guns are still everywhere
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Apr 29, 2022 01:16
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ColtMcAsskick posted:The Sydney Harbour Bridge has a pistol range in it too, would you believe it. Guns are still everywhere Like in one of the pylons?
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Apr 29, 2022 01:32
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https://twitter.com/cameronwilson/status/1519837480979091456 one of the death threats cited by deves (she has specifically named this tweet in media outlets) turned out to be from an obvious false-flag troll account in 2021
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Apr 29, 2022 01:37
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Konomex posted:I wouldn't besmirch the left.
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Apr 29, 2022 01:41
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SuddenCactus posted:Like in one of the pylons? Old tram tunnel on the city side, near the stairs
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Apr 29, 2022 01:42
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hooman posted:The most positive thing I can say about Howard is that he was competent in executing his vision and selling those changes. But asked about the growing pressure on home buyers, he (Howard) said: “I don’t accept there is a housing crisis.” “The cost of housing in this country is much higher than we would like, but a lot of the reasons for housing being expensive in Australia has been baked into the system over the years." The system is working as intended, because he set it up that way.
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Apr 29, 2022 01:47
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https://twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1519805822129569793
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Apr 29, 2022 01:51
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are the greens doing anything right now? i am only consuming mainstream media for research purposes, nobody in any publication is really doing anything to help the greens. what are they promising the people? their promises aren't getting through
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Apr 29, 2022 01:51
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hambeet posted:Yeah nah because! Launchpad McQuack posted:Gun ban was just propaganda, Australia, especially rural Australia, is full of guns, always has been, always will be full of guns. mahershalalhashbaz fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Apr 29, 2022 01:53
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albo doesn't even want to be pm. he wants to retire to the coast and die quietly
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Apr 29, 2022 02:02
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:are the greens doing anything right now? i am only consuming mainstream media for research purposes, nobody in any publication is really doing anything to help the greens. what are they promising the people? their promises aren't getting through Adam Bandt was on Hack the other week, and Jordon Steele John was on Hack last night, thats about all the main stream media I consume (and its still poo poo, but significantly less poo poo now they hosed Tom Tilley off). The Greens have a good series of policies this year, dental & mental health added to Medicare, abolishing student debt, free tafe & uni, investing in social & affordable housing, but yeah getting any air play with that is basically impossible. Having to rely on social media and doorknocks to get the message out, like usual.
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Apr 29, 2022 02:13
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Albo pretty clearly wants to be PM, or he wouldn't be compromising on long held Labor left positions under the premise that it'll help him get there. He's not cutting through with this crowd, because we're all generally quite a way to the left of the general population, and probably most Labor left politicians. But their enduring lead on the 2PP indicates it's cutting through somewhere. His pretty average personal opinion polling probably has as much to do with the entire MSM working their guts off to keep him out than anything else.
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Apr 29, 2022 02:14
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:are the greens doing anything right now? i am only consuming mainstream media for research purposes, nobody in any publication is really doing anything to help the greens. what are they promising the people? their promises aren't getting through most of the mainstream media never give the greens much attention unless it's to attack them. the guardian and abc do cover their policy announcements & the guardian in general is pretty favourable to them, but that's about it. i don't think the lack of mainstream coverage is really their fault, they know the media won't give them positive attention so they're doing what they always do and are campaigning via other channels, very targeted towards the seats they have an actual chance of winning.. Don Dongington posted:His pretty average personal opinion polling probably has as much to do with the entire MSM working their guts off to keep him out than anything else. it's because he's uncharismatic, not a particularly effective speaker, and is only offering a fairly limited vision, there's not that much for people to be excited about. to be personally popular while using a small target/selective differentiation strategy you really need to have the charisma to substitute for the lack of substance and he certainly doesn't have that, he's no rudd. that's not to say that the small target strategy is bad - in theory it makes sense but i think the execution has been pretty lacking, there's been lots of unnecessary own goals (backing down on even looking at raising jobkeeper) and incoherent triangulation where they try to be everything to everyone and make no one happy (the religious discrimination bill). it still seems like they'll be able to get over the line just by being better than the government on the substance though lih fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Apr 29, 2022 02:37
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NPR Journalizard posted:But asked about the growing pressure on home buyers, he (Howard) said: “I don’t accept there is a housing crisis.” Oh the guy who has lived in the same house for 40 years - apart from an 11 year stint in public housing - says that there's no problem with the housing market in Australia. Glad that's settled.
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Apr 29, 2022 02:39
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G'day eveywun itsh me albo thish elecshun vote [inaudible] fair go teachersh they work evwy day sho [inaudible] jem chamush
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Apr 29, 2022 02:41
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The wild wild west has now gone mask free except on public transport and health care/aged care. Weird seeing everyone's faces again.
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Apr 29, 2022 02:52
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JBP posted:G'day eveywun itsh me albo thish elecshun vote [inaudible] fair go teachersh they work evwy day sho [inaudible] jem chamush jesus christ
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Apr 29, 2022 03:05
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quote:Sarah Ferguson to replace Leigh Sales as host of 7.30 https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-29/sarah-ferguson-replaces-leigh-sales-as-730-host/101024142 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZNu3u4rkNU
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Apr 29, 2022 03:20
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Apr 29, 2022 03:32
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hooman posted:The wild wild west has now gone mask free except on public transport and health care/aged care. we are all going to die
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NPR Journalizard posted:But asked about the growing pressure on home buyers, he (Howard) said: “I don’t accept there is a housing crisis.” Who could have possibly baked these things into the system:
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Apr 29, 2022 04:53
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