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In the early episodes I really thought the Picard's mom plot was going to echo Stewart's own experience with his dad being abusive and him hating him but also later learning the human trauma that informed his behavior.
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Brawnfire posted:In the early episodes I really thought the Picard's mom plot was going to echo Stewart's own experience with his dad being abusive and him hating him but also later learning the human trauma that informed his behavior. Could be that framing it that way in interviews was an intentional misdirection.
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Hey, was wondering about how the crew is going to get out of the Stargazer self-destructing milliseconds before the countdown ends, and realized maybe the Borg Queen wanted "power" from the Stargazer... so as to drain it and rob it of its ability to self-destruct. Then this act of saving the ship from the crew's own bad call gives the Federation some pause to go "okay, maybe these Borg are sincere."
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My god, that was just offensively bad. I don't even know where to start. It was so bad it genuinely makes me angry which even Discovery hasn't managed... So Picard doesn't remember his own mother's suicide he had to witness? Come on... that is at best extremely lazy and an EXTREMELY bad old trope but this whole plot with Picard's mother is a complete trainwreck, like who thought that's a good idea and what did it even achieve? Did anyone think about how bad it looks that the "treatment" for the mother was to look her in a room? What the hell is that, is that the utopian society of the 24th century or is Dad Picard some 19th century recluse who is too ashamed to give his own wife some proper help? And why would a kid like Picard never have been treated for that? Are we to think that an event like this would be ignored in THIS society? But I guess it isn't really a big deal if your mothers decides to go for suice because it obviously didn't affect Picard in the slightest and instead he had a great career and life, not like such trauma wouldn't be devastating if it isn't properly adressed. God, I absolutely despise how they aren't able to tell a story that actually makes sense within the setting. Do I need to bring up Holo-Elron? Has anyone considered the implications of Holo-Soldiers? And even if they did then why were the Borg still able to make physical contact with him? Why didn't he just phase in and out of existence (they even did that with Holo-Rios before)? Am I also to believe that they just had Elron's mind backup somewhere, even to the point of his own death? Also lol @ how the Borg plot was resolved. These trillions of people who died to the Borg must feel really stupid, all it took to convince the Borg Queen to be "nice" is a semi-competent speech and something about being lonely. So we went from the Borg being something completetly "alien" to now being "just like us"... what freaking hack writing and not understanding the concept of the Borg at all (for them the whole concept of being a flawed individual is the same as being dead, it's like offering a dying human being that you will save their gut bacteria, why would they care?). The show also triggered one of my pet peeves... night scenes that are just a lazy blue filter. I hate it. Put at least some effort into it because this is visually just horrible. The same is true for the "action" in this episode which is just so generic and boring that it is complete filler (just like Rios whole plot has been so far, it feels like it's just there to keep him busy and out of the actual action for the most part). And at the end another big "lol" for Starfleet rejecting Seven because yeah that certainly fits the idea of NuTrek about the Federation and its future, just continuing to bring in contemporary attitudes into the future (and yes there were and are bigots in the Federation but these are supposed to be the really bad apples but yet here it is Starfleet doing it despite Janeway and co.? Come on...) I honestly don't see a single redeeming thing about this episode, let alone this season. Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey, was wondering about how the crew is going to get out of the Stargazer self-destructing milliseconds before the countdown ends, and realized maybe the Borg Queen wanted "power" from the Stargazer... so as to drain it and rob it of its ability to self-destruct. Yes, it will be something like that and it will be dumb because that whole situation is just nonsensical and could have been avoided if the NuBorg would have at least tried to communicate instead being as threatening as possible. But I guess we can't expect the NuBorg to understand humans despite the current Queen having an execellent grasp of humans.... LinkesAuge fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Worst and most tedious episode of the season, jesus christ. Just half an hour of extremely poorly written, choreographed, and directed ‘action’ with zero weight behind it and asinine attempts at emotional payoff with the stupid hologram. Absolute garbage, this entire season was a bait and switch promising something interesting with Q/John de Lancie and puking up something worse than Discovery.
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Apr 29, 2022 00:45
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Is it part of the normal timeline that the Picard family moves back into the chateau and finds those soldiers embedded in the walls of the catacombs?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I suppose there's the possibility that Renee is supposed to die in the real timeline, so her living/dying could be one of those situations where she is saved (maybe brought into the future) but presumed dead by history. That's a good thought, I like that. I mean, Picard never mentions her death on the mission, only that she 'discovered a sentient microbe' on Io, not Europa. "And it killed her" or something might have been a good addition to that thought. But given how much it seems they've thought through the implications of this season - not much - it would be par for the course. I never watched the 12 Monkeys series. It's on my watchlist, which is long. Apparently that Terry Matalas series has a good story and a tight, well-realized time travel loop that makes sense. I only know this because of the people who mentioned it in this thread, hoping that Matalas's influence would help make Picard a good show. I hoped along with you, skeptical as I was. But I was burned by Chabon in Season 1, after I vociferously defended a lot of that poo poo because I thought it would all come together in the end. Chabon was a good writer! You guys are being too critical! It'll come together! And, well, we all know what we got. I don't think it's possible to tie all this into a neat bow in one episode. I don't know that it's possible to tie all this together in any form, it's too scattershot and loose. What was the point of any of Rios' ICE poo poo? Why did we need FBI guy or Guinan for that matter? Why wasn't Picard's emotional baggage resolved (or at least, uncovered) in the episode where Not-Laris goes into his brain? What dramatic purpose did saving the revelation for two episodes have, other than just draaaaaaging things out? Of course I'm watching the next episode. I've gone this far. And they may even have me for at least a few episodes in season 3 by bringing back all the TNG people, which is obviously why they advertised it in the middle of season 2. But if that meanders like Season 2 has...well, honestly, I don't know what I'll do except complain a lot. So if you're sick of me complaining, then sure, blame me for complaining, but also blame the producers for promising us catnip and giving us cat turds. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
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Ignoring most of the episode, I really liked this one. Loved the scene where Jurati finally makes the obvious pitch that occurred to everyone all the time the second the borg ever got invented and the queen accepts it because it's the obvious ideas everyone always had for the borg since for all time since it's the obvious effective approach. Finally, better borg. Jurati looks great as a borg queen, perfect role for her. and glad it's over, I think. Probably another episode but they made Better Borg and that's the single most satisfying bit of anything I've ever experienced in trek and i don't really want to risk them doofing it up, right now, it's great, on their way to make superborg, dope, the end.
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LinkesAuge posted:My god, that was just offensively bad. I don't even know where to start. It was so bad it genuinely makes me angry which even Discovery hasn't managed... Sounds like you should definitely keep watching it
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Apr 29, 2022 01:20
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Lmao that this week's episode was literally "cut Picard's epiphany from 7 and the shootout from 8 stretch both and boom done."
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Apr 29, 2022 01:32
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Seven being rejected by Starfleet is the least nonsensical idea presented in the episode. She's a person who was a Borg drone for almost her entire life, with a history of disobeying orders, that would be a potential liability in any encounter with them. If they were skittish about one of their most highly decorated captains who was a Borg for a few days, they would be downright suspicious about someone who was a drone for decades Edit: Also it's super weird sometimes how characters will focus on Starfleet. In TNG we see all sorts of characters not in the organization that serve the Federation.
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Charity Porno posted:Seven being rejected by Starfleet is the least nonsensical idea presented in the episode. She's a person who was a Borg drone for almost her entire life, with a history of disobeying orders, that would be a potential liability in any encounter with them. If they were skittish about one of their most highly decorated captains who was a Borg for a few days, they would be downright suspicious about someone who was a drone for decades Maquis, known for hating authority and the Federation? Nah fam we'll allow their commissions as officers and senior officers to stand, no problem. A borg drone that left the collective and helped the ship reach its goal and saved countless lives, just like the maquis who were given the chance of Starfleet? Nah, no starfleet for her.
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Apr 29, 2022 01:58
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LinkesAuge posted:My god, that was just offensively bad. I don't even know where to start. It was so bad it genuinely makes me angry which even Discovery hasn't managed... Who gets this mad about Star Trek in 2022? 
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Iymarra posted:Maquis, known for hating authority and the Federation? Nah fam we'll allow their commissions as officers and senior officers to stand, no problem. A borg drone that left the collective and helped the ship reach its goal and saved countless lives, just like the maquis who were given the chance of Starfleet? Nah, no starfleet for her. It's almost like they had an unconscious prejudice or something
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Apr 29, 2022 02:05
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Yeah the whole Seven thing was silly. Have some extra observation on her just to be on the safe side? Sure. She'd probably not even argue against the precaution.
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Mokinokaro posted:Yeah the whole Seven thing was silly. Have some extra observation on her just to be on the safe side? Sure. She'd probably not even argue against the precaution. Especially because Icheb, who was just as much a visibly ex-Borg as she was, got in to Starfleet just fine and made it to Lieutenant before he got ganked. I actually appreciated the implication that Seven got back to Earth and just decided that Starfleet wasn't for her and went and did other things with her life instead. I didn't really need it explained that Starfleet blacklisted her because they were paranoid about the Borg.
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Iymarra posted:Maquis, known for hating authority and the Federation? Nah fam we'll allow their commissions as officers and senior officers to stand, no problem. A borg drone that left the collective and helped the ship reach its goal and saved countless lives, just like the maquis who were given the chance of Starfleet? Nah, no starfleet for her. Is there a Maquis override risk I'm not aware of
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https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1519838201904476165?s=20&t=JMTMu1pO72hLNb0NeJt-ww
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Apr 29, 2022 02:16
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When someone says a Maquis' neurally embedded code-phrase their conditioning kicks in and they slaughter everyone relentlessly. Chakotay's was "that doesn't sound like an actual native practice" but nobody ever said it to him, strangely
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Charity Porno posted:
Is there a Coast Guard version of Starfleet in the Federation? Like you just dick around the Sol solar system for your career.
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Apr 29, 2022 02:19
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How do they get home? Easily, Picard knows the location of at least two guardians of forever. Failing that, I'm betting it's one of those things where they are instantly back on the bridge once the mission is accomplished, like in All Good Things
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nine-gear crow posted:Who gets this mad about Star Trek in 2022? At least half this thread, about once a week. I hated last week but I thought this episode was mostly fine. Some dodgy cgi (my god, those bricked soldiers looked bad) and pacing issues, but I’m okay with how the Jurati-Borg and Picard trauma arcs were wrapped up.
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Apr 29, 2022 02:24
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https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1519837216767299584 Also we are definitely wrapping this poo poo up air tight as of next week. So there's that...
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good trek eps dont have that many loud parts. the only annoyingly loud part should be when the spaceship in the theme song flies off
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xerxus posted:https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1519838201904476165?s=20&t=JMTMu1pO72hLNb0NeJt-ww It is still the loving weirdest thing that Akiva Goldsman has a string of unmitigated, abysmal disasters to his name like Batman and Robin, Lost in Space, Angels and Demons, Winter's Tale, Transformers: Last Knight, The Divergent Series: Insurgent, The 5th Wave, The Dark Tower... and A Beautiful Mind. That's like how Chris Terrio gave the world The Rise of Skywalker, Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice... and loving Argo, which he won an Oscar for.
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nine-gear crow posted:Especially because Icheb, who was just as much a visibly ex-Borg as she was, got in to Starfleet just fine and made it to Lieutenant before he got ganked. I actually appreciated the implication that Seven got back to Earth and just decided that Starfleet wasn't for her and went and did other things with her life instead. I didn't really need it explained that Starfleet blacklisted her because they were paranoid about the Borg. Icheb does have a better track record on not going berzerk and trying to assimilate the ship or return to the collective. Maybe had different evaluators. Maybe he persisted where Seven gave up, or came up with an angle she didn't think of. I can buy it.
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nine-gear crow posted:It is still the loving weirdest thing that Akiva Goldsman has a string of unmitigated, abysmal disasters to his name like Batman and Robin, Lost in Space, Angels and Demons, Winter's Tale, Transformers: Last Knight, The Divergent Series: Insurgent, The 5th Wave, The Dark Tower... and A Beautiful Mind. There are all kinds of commercial pressures on franchise and genre movies that influence the writing that you don't have when you're just writing a regular original drama.
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 "Computer, set course for the Delta Quadrant." "Course set. Estimated travel time at maximum warp, 71 years." "Oh... right. Forgot about that." "Warning: insufficient antimatter reserves for journey. At maximum warp, fuel will be exhausted in four months sixteen days." "GodDAMN it!"
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Icheb does have a better track record on not going berzerk and trying to assimilate the ship or return to the collective. He also was deprogrammed as a child, which also seems like it'd be a big factor
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Elnor's going to stay dead because they don't know what to do with his character. Jurati goes off to be the Neo-Collective queen. Rios stays in the past which isn't a problem cause LA gets nuked anyways. Soji stays out in space being an ambassador or whatever. Thus for season 3 we only keep Raffi and 7 from this crew so there's room for the old TNG crew next season, and can pretty much ignore everything from the previous 2 seasons. Soong had interesting angles until now, going full villain naturally gives him nothing to work with. None of the exchanges he had with Picard meant anything, nor could they. don't get me started on 7 and Raffi going on what was supposed to be, and very much should have been, a suicide mission running into an open field filled with M4 wielding drones and coming out with just some bumps and bruises. Like.... why even? Orthanc6 fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Orthanc6 posted:Elnor's going to stay dead because they don't know what to do with his character. Jurati goes off to be the Neo-Collective queen. Rios stays in the past which isn't a problem cause LA gets nuked anyways. Soji stays out in space being an ambassador or whatever. Thus for season 3 we only keep Raffi and 7 from this crew so there's room for the old TNG crew next season, and can pretty much ignore everything from the previous 2 seasons. I honestly thought Koré was going to go full heel and become the villain of that storyline eventually after having a Mewtwo-esque "why was I created?" meltdown and that Soong was just the red herring, but no, it seems like she was just the chain around Soong's neck for Q to yank every once and a while and she's just gone from the story (hopefully). But yeah, the rest of this all checks out. I don't even think they'll bother keeping Seven and Raffi around, honestly. The TNG crew is going to become the new bridge crew of the Stargazer once the reset button gets pushed at the end of the season, and Season 3 is just going to be the defacto fifth TNG movie we never got because Nemesis killed the film franchise.
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nine-gear crow posted:I honestly thought Koré was going to go full heel and become the villain of that storyline eventually after having a Mewtwo-esque "why was I created?" meltdown and that Soong was just the red herring, but no, it seems like she was just the chain around Soong's neck for Q to yank every once and a while and she's just gone from the story (hopefully). But yeah, the rest of this all checks out. I don't even think they'll bother keeping Seven and Raffi around, honestly. The TNG crew is going to become the new bridge crew of the Stargazer once the reset button gets pushed at the end of the season, and Season 3 is just going to be the defacto fifth TNG movie we never got because Nemesis killed the film franchise. The USS Stargeezer
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Drink-Mix Man posted:The USS Stargeezer We are finally getting Star Trek XII: So Very Tired! 
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Drink-Mix Man posted:There are all kinds of commercial pressures on franchise and genre movies that influence the writing that you don't have when you're just writing a regular original drama. I’m not going to say Akiva Goldsman is a literary genius, but having worked in production, you’re exactly right. Oftentimes writers (and producers) are pretty much forced into a corner regarding what they submit in the end. Usually they’re just handed a glorified bullet point list of what needs to be included, and their job is to string those very often insane pieces together in a semi-coherent fashion, and more importantly, do it on time. Does Goldsman have the capability of writing something legitimately good? Yeah, probably. And he has. But also being able to turn around made-to-order scripts, regardless of quality, to satisfy studios is a legitimate skill in itself. I suspect that’s his bread and butter. I’m sure his production influence over Picard is somewhere in the middle, where he has to work within certain guidelines defined by Matalas and Kurtzman, but has some freedom to be creative. As such, I really have not minded the back half of this season as much as other people have.
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HD DAD posted:I’m not going to say Akiva Goldsman is a literary genius, but having worked in production, you’re exactly right. Oftentimes writers (and producers) are pretty much forced into a corner regarding what they submit in the end. Usually they’re just handed a glorified bullet point list of what needs to be included, and their job is to string those very often insane pieces together in a semi-coherent fashion, and more importantly, do it on time. Alex Kurtzman does seem to have the exceedingly rare ability to just knock the talent out of otherwise fully competent individuals with some invisible two by four. The same skill that George Lucas and M. Night Shyamalan possess.
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nine-gear crow posted:We are finally getting Star Trek XII: So Very Tired! AGAIN with the Klingons...
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I actually liked the episode overall after really not liking the last few, but there are still a lot of problems. There was no reason to drag out the Picard’s childhood trauma plotline past the coma episode. The effects in this episode were abysmal, to be kind, and everything with Holo-Elnor was weird. I’m also pretty sure that Jurati left a bunch of armed drones on past-Earth, because they absolutely didn’t kill them all in this episode. The revelation that Seven got rejected by Starfleet is some bullshit and makes no sense. On paper I at least like the idea of Jurati making the Borg into a cooperative instead of a forced collective, but considering we have one more episode left this season I doubt we will get to really explore much of what that even means. I have no idea what they are going to do with Q at this point. He almost completely disappeared from this show after episode 2.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I have no idea what they are going to do with Q at this point. He almost completely disappeared from this show after episode 2. I'm almost wondering, did de Lancie do something to piss Stewart and/or the executive producers off early in filming and they just cut most of his scenes or re-wrote the season on the fly so there wouldn't be any direct contact between Q and Picard? Like what the gently caress is going on here?
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