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jokes posted:That actually totally rules Something something Musk buying Twitter something something
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At the time it WAS the pinnacle of gaming but yeah, it was like the one thing beastmen had and we've had it really good since.
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TaintedBalance posted:Something something Musk buying Twitter something something Archelon Tusk, the Neverchosen
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jokes posted:That actually totally rules Terrible Opinions posted:Incidentally if you were to make a post-end times Warhammer fantasy diverging from AoS you could have the Chaos Gods fold when Archaon wins. The world isn't destroyed, he called their bluff and ruined the game. Even funnier, Archaon is still around in Age of Sigmar and his actual gimmick there is that he successfully convinced all four chaos gods to give him an absolute shitload of boons individually, so now he's strong enough to fight them all and they can't take away those boons unless they all work together. Which they never will do.
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Apr 29, 2022 03:22
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Lord_Magmar posted:Even funnier, Archaon is still around in Age of Sigmar and his actual gimmick there is that he successfully convinced all four chaos gods to give him an absolute shitload of boons individually, so now he's strong enough to fight them all and they can't take away those boons unless they all work together. Wouldn't this turn him into a chaos spawn?
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Apr 29, 2022 03:30
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Jarvisi posted:Wouldn't this turn him into a chaos spawn? Nope, he's strong enough to carry those boons (Chaos Spawn is mental fortitude deal, either you're strong enough to wield the power or you fail and become chaos spawn). Archaon basically went around convincing the gods that he would totally, definitely, work for them if they give him boons. Then once he got all the boons went gently caress you all I'm doing my own thing.
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Apr 29, 2022 03:33
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Goddamn the dragon blooded lords have such amazing animations when on foot, a crazy AE knock back animation, awesome floating death laser, and some smaller knock backs. I was fighting savage orcs and paying attention to the macro ensuring my lines didn't get breached then i noticed abuncha flying orcs where my lord was and zoomed down to watch. I might keep them on foot because those animations are OP as hell. All of the cathay infantry have really good animations too, haha i'm guessing it's from 3 kingdoms but the crossbowmen and jade warriors are awesome. The thing about the beastmen/wood elf DLC is it was a DLC so unless you really wanted to play those factions you wouldn't pay for that garbage offering which i didn't for like 8 months. Triple A games get away with way too much poo poo, smaller dev teams often produce far better quality games for a fraction of the resources. It's not a constant though just look at DRG vs VT2, one is nordic heaven while the other is all the hate of a country distilled into a dev team.
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Jarvisi posted:Wouldn't this turn him into a chaos spawn? No that's part of what being Everchosen is about.
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Yay archaon is totally cooler now guys wait why are you still ignoring him you're meant to love him come baaaaaaaaack.........
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Ravenfood posted:Nurgle's recruitment system needs to be expanded to everyone. I like it so much more than the existing system for encouraging diverse armies. I haven't played their other recent historical games, but I believe people said they are using bretonnia or three kingdoms style recruitment, anyone know for sure? I do think it has potential to be modded in for other factions, especially if it let's you build up elite unit recruitment early but slowly and speed it up with heavy t5 investment.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I haven't played their other recent historical games, but I believe people said they are using bretonnia or three kingdoms style recruitment, anyone know for sure? It's pretty much 3K style recruitment. Units in 3K also spawn in instantaneously but heavily depleted and fill up over time. Kanos fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Yeah thrones had it but it's dumb because upkeep doesn't scale so you basically begin paying for a unit that you can't use for 2-3 turns. If you had it with cheap upkeep then yeah it would be a fun way to slow down just recruiting units instead of waiting for them to replenish. They should separate recruitment cost and upkeep, have upkeep hit after a few turns representing you paying them if they survived but put the upkeep cost as an upfront recruitment cost. Chaff units would be expensive to recruit but very cheap to upkeep while elite units would be very expensive to upkeep but be limited by unit caps. Unit caps that aren't hard but rather dynamic are a great idea. It'd be an awesome feature to represent your barracks training units that you could just swing by and grab for cheap but if they're still alive by the time upkeep rolls around you'd have to pay for them. You could have chaff be quick to recruit representing a militia and if you did then you could have an entire militia themed roster. They've always had a hard time with time in game but i feel implementing a year being 2 turns by having upkeep and other events trigger every 2 turns would be a great start because you could have seasons for the map too. You could have snow maps, spring/summer maps--throw in events like droughts or unusual seasons that would affect the battle maps. You could then add weather effects too, it's monsoon season in cathay so powder units have a reload penalty so you might wanna wait until next turn to attack.
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I like the way tomb kings do it, where buildings increase your unit caps. Gives more incentive to build stuff in other provinces rather than just have one or two dedicated entirely to recruitment. I feel like most factions spend way too many turns with trash units, and by the time you've unlocked the tier 5 ones you're already so powerful there's not much point in using them. Having other ways to get a capped amount of more powerful units earlier on would be cool. Some factions already have something similar, and you can feel the difference when you're not playing them.
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Can't use a unit for 2-3 turns? My man, have your heard of plagues.
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Kanos posted:It's pretty much 3K style recruitment. Units in 3K also spawn in instantaneously but heavily depleted and fill up over time. Yeah but 3k doesnt have the "buildings slowly add units to your recruitment pool aspect", which I also really like.
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Ravenfood posted:Yeah but 3k doesnt have the "buildings slowly add units to your recruitment pool aspect", which I also really like. No, because 3K does the immensely superior thing of decoupling units from buildings entirely and instead tying them to hero classes, hero levels, and tech unlocks, which means you generally get to play with a much wider array of units much earlier in the game. Building based recruitment sucks.
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Blood pack DLC maybe by September - October lol. Angrymantium fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Apr 29, 2022 10:54
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That's a lot longer than I expected lmao. Would not want to be a CA social media person right now
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Kanos posted:No, because 3K does the immensely superior thing of decoupling units from buildings entirely and instead tying them to hero classes, hero levels, and tech unlocks, which means you generally get to play with a much wider array of units much earlier in the game. Angrymantium posted:Blood pack DLC maybe by September - October lol, there you have it. CA doing the bare minimum so they can pivot back to making historical games. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Apr 29, 2022 11:02
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Q3 oof And they're not penciling in 1.3 in Q2 either so you know it's not gonna be July or whatever lol
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Apr 29, 2022 11:03
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The bare minimum? Seriously? A single post for somebody to mouth breath in and keep beating the factually disproven "WH3 will be abandoned" drum? Did you not read the last panel? It's a slower path than most would want, yeah. If somebody said "WH3 isn't a game you should get in the first year unless you really want to try the new races and pvp with them" I'd understand. Totally sensible. But they're clearly dedicated to improving the engine fundamentals, you know, that other drum being beaten to death, except this one rightfully so. Fixed ranged, fixed SEM, fixed balance issues, etc. All the fundamentals. Maybe not minor sieges, but maybe everything else being touched up gets there. And as fast as you were to blurt out "just blood pack, game dead" I guess you missed regiments of renown, chaos warriors rework, Lord pack 1 and OH YEAH YOU CAN PLAY IE. Come on. You're in such a hurry to kick CA your eyes somehow went right by your most precious totem! And speaking of, I guess Chorfs in 2023, ah well. I have 600+ hours in WH2 but it took me 3 years to do it. DaysBefore posted:That's a lot longer than I expected lmao. Would not want to be a CA social media person right now Yeah gonna be a lot of luke warm red hot takes about how easy game development is today.
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Man, they must be totally rebuilding the last 2 years of TW2 updates or something
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To be fair they have to totally rebalance all the races from Warhammer 1 and 2. It's gotta be a ridiculous amount of work.
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I'm not really surprised at all by anything on the timeline here besides "Slaanesh and Tzeentch replenishment improvements" somehow taking until Q3.
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Jarvisi posted:To be fair they have to totally rebalance all the races from Warhammer 1 and 2. It's gotta be a ridiculous amount of work. Yeah but they could probably have mentioned something about it before launching the game considering everyone including the youtubers and modding community was very vocal about expecting it within a couple months There is no way they wouldn't know that like a year ago already at least
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Kazzah posted:Man, they must be totally rebuilding the last 2 years of TW2 updates or something Jarvisi posted:To be fair they have to totally rebalance all the races from Warhammer 1 and 2. It's gotta be a ridiculous amount of work. And also the whole concept of Immortal Empires is something unprecedented. Combining the maps for 3 different games and 25 races is bound to be a monumental task. I don't believe anything like this has been done before. There's likely a lot of reworking of textures to bring everything up to WH3's level for instance.
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Nephthys posted:And also the whole concept of Immortal Empires is something unprecedented. Combining the maps for 3 different games and 25 races is bound to be a monumental task. I don't believe anything like this has been done before. There's likely a lot of reworking of textures to bring everything up to WH3's level for instance. The last attempt at a campaign map layer that big in TW was Empire, and it was a complete loving clusterfuck. Can't blame 'em. Honestly, the only real disappointment I got is the Blood DLC being that far out. TW without giant blood explosions when artillery or whatever hits is just weird, and I've been playing these games long before the first blood DLC ever in a TW game (Shogun 2 IIRC) was even a fuckin thing
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Nephthys posted:And also the whole concept of Immortal Empires is something unprecedented. Combining the maps for 3 different games and 25 races is bound to be a monumental task. I don't believe anything like this has been done before. There's likely a lot of reworking of textures to bring everything up to WH3's level for instance. People are running off the assumption that that work was baked into the dev time of the game, and the best previous example we have of someone doing something like this is Mortal Empires itself, which came out a month after TWW2's release - in a rough form, but it was there and you could play it. It's also somewhat concerning that the Q3 release is for a beta.
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Doomykins posted:The bare minimum? Seriously? A single post for somebody to mouth breath in and keep beating the factually disproven "WH3 will be abandoned" drum? Did you not read the last panel? toxic positivity is very harmful op
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Kanos posted:I'm not really surprised at all by anything on the timeline here besides "Slaanesh and Tzeentch replenishment improvements" somehow taking until Q3. Yeah, that's the one thing that stood out to me as well. And I say this as a guy who totally regrets buying this at release. Anyway, road map is gonna disappoint a ton of people but there's probably no arguing that they're better off ripping off the band aid like this rather than continually fending off outraged inquiries about IE and the blood pack.
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Mortal Empires on release was certainly a beta. They took half a year to bring in proper DLC Norsca instead of endless chariot/skirmisher hell Norsca.
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Kanos posted:People are running off the assumption that that work was baked into the dev time of the game, and the best previous example we have of someone doing something like this is Mortal Empires itself, which came out a month after TWW2's release - in a rough form, but it was there and you could play it. Mortal empires was in beta for a long time. I remember the load times were so loving bad it was almost unplayable
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My takeaway from all this isn't anything like "CA are incompetent fuckups who should be ashamed of how garbage they are", it's much more along the lines of "Wow, they really were forced to shove TWW3 out the door way before it was ready".Jarvisi posted:Mortal empires was in beta for a long time. I remember the load times were so loving bad it was almost unplayable ME wasn't released or advertised as a beta. The long turn times were just part of the game that you had to deal with and they weren't presented as "oh don't worry we'll fix this!". The load time fix was an out-of-nowhere miracle that they figured out way down the road, and it also improved turn times in Vortex. Kanos fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Jesus TW3 has at most a months content before everyone will stop playing it haha. They really released it in beta--i thought they just weren't gonna do RoR for the game 3 races but this just haven't added them in yet hahaha  .
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Arghy posted:Jesus TW3 has at most a months content before everyone will stop playing it haha. They really released it in beta--i thought they just weren't gonna do RoR for the game 3 races but this just haven't added them in yet hahaha RoR were later patch additions to TWW2 too, so that's not new or different.
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SEM animation fixes before Blood DLC makes sense. Replenishment changes taking so long are odd, I'm certain you could slam in a brute force fix from the workshop today. Everything else.. about as expected. And I didn't play ME at release but the state of release WH2 and pre-potion of speed ME vs the last patch is night and day. IE in playable beta is a really heartening sign to me.Foul Fowl posted:toxic positivity is very harmful op Pretend I quoted my snarky prediction and your qq response. Doomykins fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Kanos posted:I'm not really surprised at all by anything on the timeline here besides "Slaanesh and Tzeentch replenishment improvements" somehow taking until Q3. That part made me think the whole thing was a joke. It's the one thing on that list I'm absolutely certain I could mod into the game.
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