|
the Sabres need to fire whoever is in charge of telling them to challenge offsides
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 03:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 9, 2024 03:17 |
|
|
rex rabidorum vires posted:AV is a control systems coach not a run and gun coach so that's kinda diagonal side grade on one hand, i really don't think that matters too much. they have a bunch of vet players in an existing room. it's not a young team where they don't have much of a structure. AV is a guy who can come into a veteran team and give you 1-2 more cracks at a Cup run. systems should take a lower precedence than a guy who can come in and make sure the team is focused and able to make another couple of deep runs. deboer is too emotional for that IMO. AV has a very opposite demeanor. his weaknesses are mainly with integrating kids and losing the room after a couple of years. but as people said, they'll be in much worse position in a couple of years, and again, it's a vet team. so I think he'd be a good pick for em. on the other hand, if you do wanna talk systems, I think it'd be a bad idea with their roster to try and play a run and gun game. they have too many big/old/injury prone guys. AV runs an insanely good trap-and-counter, and that would lessen the injury/fatigue rate of their veterans and take advantage of all the finishing talent and defensive IQ (assuming Eichel rebounds at some point lol). e: they should also consider Julien. i don't think Torts would be a good fit. I don't think Brind'Amour is a good fit if Carolina doesn't re-sign him. Babcock would be good for them and fit in with their culture DO YALL WANT A BOXC fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Apr 29, 2022 |
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 07:30
|
|
|
A little different "this guy scored" moment. Everyone thought the puck left the rink except the one guy. e: oh, there's a playoff N/V thread now
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 07:57
|
|
|
DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:Babcock would be good for them and fit in with their culture Brutal
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 08:42
|
|
|
Zat posted:A little different "this guy scored" moment. Everyone thought the puck left the rink except the one guy. Looks like the ref kept his eyes on it too. Can't be bothered to check who it is and possibly make a joke about it though.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 09:53
|
|
|
At two years for $850k per, Luke Schenn is probably the best defenceman that Jim Benning ever acquired.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 12:41
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:At two years for $850k per, Luke Schenn is probably the best defenceman that Jim Benning ever acquired. Weirdly, way better than that other Luke Schenn that Benning acquired.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 12:53
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:At two years for $850k per, Luke Schenn is probably the best defenceman that Jim Benning ever acquired. You could probably argue for Troy Stecher since he was a college signing
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 12:57
|
|
|
Brind'Amour hung around Carolina for a decade waiting for his chance to coach, I can't imagine he's going anywhere. But a team like VHK (or Toronto) should give him a blank check if they get the chance. IIRC Brind'Amour's the only active coach in sports with a statue of himself outside his team's home arena (from when he lifted the Cup as a player/captain) Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Apr 29, 2022 |
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 14:21
|
|
|
Click me to read the Coyotes' front office putting forth a valiant but doomed effort into spinning their lovely situation as a positivequote:After the NHL approved the team's plan to play out of ASU, Gutierrez held court with Coyotes' players -- and NHLPA special assistant Mathieu Schneider -- to try easing their minds about the period ahead. And Gutierrez is adamant that bringing on Bill Armstrong as general manager in 2020 and adding Andre Tourigny as head coach in 2021 has given Arizona the right foundation for a "culture of competition, commitment and passion." "We're going to be in the league basement for 5 more years at the very least! Free agents can't wait to sign here!"
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 14:29
|
|
|
It's amazing that absolutely anyone is pretending the situation in Arizona is anything other than some hosed up joke They can talk all they want about how "electric" a small venue will be for an NHL game, I have zero desire to go to loving Arizona and watch the Flyers play against another poo poo club in a college arena
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 14:40
|
|
|
If Arizona lands Bedard and gets a real arena they'll maybe stop being a joke at some point but short of that they're gonna be lousy for a long time
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 14:43
|
|
|
I get that that new owner and CEO have literally 1 card to play and it's to try to spin this thing like it's headed in the right direction, but holy hell you can just feel the buyers' remorse as you read those quotes.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 14:52
|
|
|
Eric the Mauve posted:IIRC Brind'Amour's the only active coach in sports with a statue of himself outside his team's home arena (from when he lifted the Cup as a player/captain) When Mark Messier inevitably becomes the Canucks' coach, he'll have that and an award named after him. What a leader.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 14:53
|
|
|
arizona's hockey management seems pretty sound. they're just gonna keep cycling assets for younger assets and sell cap space for picks until they feel they have a competitive core and then go for it it's probably also true that hockey players love arizona. being able to golf every off day is hugely important for so many hockey players. arizona (or maybe vegas) is the best nhl city for golfing everyday their arena situation is a joke but the situation was caused by the last management group. i dunno they really had a lot of room to unfuck things in the short term
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 15:19
|
|
|
Good soup! posted:It's amazing that absolutely anyone is pretending the situation in Arizona is anything other than some hosed up joke It would have been cool before they asked $300 a ticket. There is a genuine interest for free agents to play on a shallower team where they're more likely to get prime minutes/PP time (and maybe boost their value for their next contract), but obviously that's only going to apply to the B-tier of FAs at best.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 15:22
|
|
|
the talent deficit posted:it's probably also true that hockey players love arizona. being able to golf every off day is hugely important for so many hockey players. arizona (or maybe vegas) is the best nhl city for golfing everyday I dunno, I’d still rather be in tampa, sunrise, LA, or Anaheim if golfing were to sway my opinion on a career destination.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 15:25
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/IIHFHockey/status/1520044507953258497 oh poo poo these are cool
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 15:25
|
|
|
Arizona might be a joke franchise but if I had a choice between playing in the NHL for the worst franchise, or playing in Europe or the AHL or whatever, I'm taking NHL every time. It's still the best league in the world, you'll get paid a NHL salary, enjoy a nice lifestyle, etc., and maybe when you're doing toiling away in Arizona you get to go to a Good Team or whatever.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 15:35
|
|
|
Wonderllama posted:I dunno, I’d still rather be in tampa, sunrise, LA, or Anaheim if golfing were to sway my opinion on a career destination. There was also the story in the Athletic that polled players agents and Arizona was far and away the top place they tell players to avoid You can't put a price on getting NHL-level minutes and experience, that's true, but you also want to be somewhere that isnt a complete shitshow
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 15:55
|
|
|
The thing that's interesting to me about Arizona is that they're not completely inept. Like if you look at their draft history they are very good at finding quality NHL players. Maybe no real super stars (and thats the problem, I guess) but they have drafted lots of players who are average to good NHLers.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 16:12
|
|
|
Yeah Arizona was always fine at drafting, they were just a mess at... well, basically everything else.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 16:56
|
|
|
I'm totally going to see a game in the tiny arena in Tempe just to say I did. But I also went to ASU so I've got other reasons to be out in PHX. I was never willing to drive to Glendale to watch the yotes when I lived there. Just throwing this out there but isn't there still an arena downtown where the Sun's play that the Yotes once played in too? With light rail service? How is that not an option?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 16:56
|
|
|
Good soup! posted:There was also the story in the Athletic that polled players agents and Arizona was far and away the top place they tell players to avoid I dunno $5m a year to play in the sunshine from September to April every year with literally no expectations sounds pretty nice. If you've already won a cup or two and just want to cash in it would be great. What I'm saying is that now Putin is out of money Geno will be very happy there.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 16:59
|
|
|
I think you guys are giving Arizona's drafting too much credit. Not producing any stars is a major problem. Have they even drafted a player as good as Jake Guentzel ever? I don't think they have. Producing a bunch of decent guys with a lot of high draft picks is not exactly impressive work. e: I just went through their history again and I guess the closest thing would be Blake Wheeler but he didn't become elite until he left them
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 17:01
|
|
|
Barret Hayton is starting to look like one of the worst draft decisions ever. Thank you so much for Quinn Hughes Chayka lol.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 17:03
|
|
|
Ginette Reno posted:I think you guys are giving Arizona's drafting too much credit. Not producing any stars is a major problem. Have they even drafted a player as good as Jake Guentzel ever? I don't think they have. I think Keller would be as good as Guentzel if he wasn't on the Coyotes. But thats the problem I was getting at. Their players all end up better when they leave.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 17:29
|
|
|
... I don't think you can blame Blake Wheeler's slow development on Arizona.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 17:36
|
|
|
Two years ago the Coyotes made the playoffs in the bubble. Last year they were in the hunt until the last couple of weeks of the season. This year they decided to fire the coach, blow it all up, commit to being terrible and call it progress. That organization is a poo poo-show.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 17:43
|
|
|
I mean if your team tops out at "maybe makes the playoffs" its arguably better to blow it up and try to build around your youngest core players rather than continue to struggle every year to maybe make the playoffs (the Vancouver model). Is that what the Coyotes did though? I dunno. Probably not on purpose.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 17:47
|
|
|
Holy poo poo, that WCF run the Coyotes had was 10 years ago
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 18:09
|
|
|
Eric the Mauve posted:Brind'Amour hung around Carolina for a decade waiting for his chance to coach, I can't imagine he's going anywhere. But a team like VHK (or Toronto) should give him a blank check if they get the chance. maybe Rod can coach a couple of different styles, but it's a rare NHL coach that actually does that. Bowman did it, Torts did it...but most of them have their poo poo and that's what they do. And Rod's poo poo, while great, is too high intensity IMO for Vegas's roster. they're too old and injury prone. I think Rod would be a great fit with a lot of the league, since it's a young league and there's a lot of teams with players who can be physical, but he's not optimal in Vegas IMO unless he can coach a different way.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 18:20
|
|
|
ThinkTank posted:Barret Hayton is starting to look like one of the worst draft decisions ever. Thank you so much for Quinn Hughes Chayka lol. I can't overstate enough how bad the Barrett Hayton draft process was. Not only did John Chyaka boygenius his way into selecting this guy over Quinn Hughes, but he tampered during the draft process in a way that cost the Coyotes a 2020 2nd round draft pick and a 2021 1st round draft pick. Chyaka also picked Mitchell Miller in the 4th round of 2020 and then immediately had to reneg on the pick when Miller's whole bullying poo poo came back up in the public's consciousness. What an awful GM.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 18:21
|
|
|
Jamwad Hilder posted:I mean if your team tops out at "maybe makes the playoffs" its arguably better to blow it up and try to build around your youngest core players rather than continue to struggle every year to maybe make the playoffs (the Vancouver model). Is that what the Coyotes did though? I dunno. Probably not on purpose. the coyotes have something like half of all draft picks in the upcoming draft and the next. they have some kind of a plan. we'll see how good it is
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 18:48
|
|
|
My favorite thing about the current Coyotes situation is that their ECHL-affiliate now has the largest arena, followed by their AHL, followed by the NHL arena.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 19:03
|
|
|
Jamwad Hilder posted:The thing that's interesting to me about Arizona is that they're not completely inept. Like if you look at their draft history they are very good at finding quality NHL players. Maybe no real super stars (and thats the problem, I guess) but they have drafted lots of players who are average to good NHLers. I have brought up the Coyotes drafting before, but it is kind of funny to look at their drafted players since 2010 that have made an impact. Keller (good player) Chychrun (good player -- looking to trade him if the rumours are correct) Strome (unsure how to rate him -- got better in Chicago) Garland (good player -- no longer with the Coyotes) Kallgren (superstar -- no longer with the Coyotes) Dvorak (useful player -- no longer with the Coyotes) Bunting (2022 Rookie of the Year -- no longer with the Coyotes) Domi (unsure how to rate him -- no longer with the Coyotes)
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 19:03
|
|
|
FunOne posted:Just throwing this out there but isn't there still an arena downtown where the Sun's play that the Yotes once played in too? With light rail service? How is that not an option? It’s not built for hockey. The coyotes actually started there and there were all manner of bad sight lines where a good quarter of the fans couldn’t see one zone. The suns, understandably, wanted nothing to do with the mess after a while
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 19:09
|
|
|
Didn't Rod only want to coach for Carolina? Meaning a blank check from a team which belongs to this thread might not be a draw?triple sulk posted:Holy poo poo, that WCF run the Coyotes had was 10 years ago God damnit I wanted them to win that series so badly. gently caress The King. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 29, 2022 |
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 19:49
|
|
|
The Guenther pick is looking pretty good at least, he could end up being a star. They've gotten unlucky in the lottery but they need to absolute hit on all their firsts for the next four or five years to turn it around. They can't afford more Dylan Stromes and Barret Haytons. Those kinds of high profile misses can just cripple you McLeod over McAovy and Zacha over I can't even type all those names
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 21:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 9, 2024 03:17 |
|
|
I wonder if we'll get a good old fashioned prospect hold out ala Lindros with the coyotes. Like if i'm shane wright or connor bedard, do i really want to go play in a smaller arena than my junior arena and walk 100 ft across a parking lot in my skates and gear to practice?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2022 21:58
|
|
