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"Hammes also argued that his proposal would increase the Navy’s capacity to rapidly mobilize in the event of a crisis. If container ships are used en masse, commercial sailors could be added as members of the Navy Reserve, while ships could be quickly outfitted with missile technology and deployed to the field when needed." (From America's Carriers Are Being Hamstrung By A Range Problem) I mean yes that's technically in a min-max sort of way, but isn't that kind of a war crime? Or at least blurring the line between civilian merchant vessel and naval vessel and making any American cargo ship a valid target?
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i don't think so, as long as the right flags are up and they identify themselves as military
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press ganging sailors into your navy is a time honored english naval tradition
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I watched a documentary on how that works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKUDfW2PZ9g
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skooma512 posted:I mean yes that's technically in a min-max sort of way, but isn't that kind of a war crime? Or at least blurring the line between civilian merchant vessel and naval vessel and making any American cargo ship a valid target? No. that’s actually what the navy was until relatively recently. there were even merchant ships turned privateers in WWII. most merchant ships in convoys had a gun. often used to buy time to get crew to the lifeboats. 
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and a large percentage of US Merchant Mariners are also navy reservists. our maritime academies are designed to commission into the navy while getting them USCG licenses.
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I think our merchant marine suffered the highest losses of any service, but I’d have to check. That was with U-Boats and torpedoes. You want to run that gauntlet with anti-ship missiles, nuclear subs and whatever else? e: Based on the Ports of Halifax and Vancouver, most GRT is flagged to tax havens to hide income, and avoid workplace standards and wages for crews from the Third World. So, another result of globalization is that there is no merchant marine, not really, and few Canadian or American merchant seaman. We sold that for parts. Good luck getting the Bangladeshi crew of a Liberian flagged ship to go along with this scheme. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:09 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Frosted Flake posted:. So, another result of globalization is that there is no merchant marine, not really, and few Canadian or American merchant seaman. yes the American merchant marine is small. but we run a navy reserve program to keep merchant officers around for exactly this. several state schools and a federal academy feed into it. at least enough to breakout the RRF. I believe we are currently the only country capable of doing something like that. Frosted Flake posted:You want to run that gauntlet with anti-ship missiles, nuclear subs and whatever else? I uh am no longer in that reserve program, so not really.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:what nations navy is going to do that in the middle of the pacific? China has 58 attack submarines. The export version of the diesel electric type 039a has a range of 8000 nautical miles. E: 3 type 039c subs supposed to hit the slips this year. Apparently "The U.S. DoD projects a total of 42 Yuans by 2025, excluding export models. If so, around 20-25 may be the new version." http://www.hisutton.com/Chinese-Type-039C-Yuan-Class-Submarine.html That's a lot of capacity to churn out a type of submarine America doesn't seem to have an answer for. Weka has issued a correction as of 08:02 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Also, both the Russians and the Chinese have plenty of their own nuclear attack subs that are simply limited by food (Russian subs in particular have significantly smaller crews.) I don't think people how much things are changing, China is going to have more cruisers than the US in a few years and probably rival it in destroyers (and the US doesn't really have operationally frigates at this point until the Constellation comes online). The US has its carriers, but they are still outranged by Chinese anti-ship missiles. China is also rapidly ramping up sub-production.
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Ardennes posted:Also, both the Russians and the Chinese have plenty of their own nuclear attack subs that are simply limited by food (Russian subs in particular have significantly smaller crews.) carriers are the Bismarck of the 21st century. big pointless targets. It's ameircan excesses that continue to support boats with fighter planes on it like it's 1943. there are drones and cruise missiles and hyper missiles now we don't need grandpas spitfire
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That remains to be seen. Air launched missiles are a thing and if you can sit your carrier way back and fly a relatively cheap plane forward to launch your missile then I can see them being useful as a stand off tool.
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They should make a cruise missle that can launch smaller sub-missles
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my brother in christ that's just a MIRV
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Or a drone.
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They can be useful without being decisive, I think that’s the big distinction. e: Majority of Canadians have no interest in joining the military, DND poll shows Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 12:52 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Weka posted:That remains to be seen. yeah and I can’t wait tbh
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carriers are tremendously useful for projecting force against weaker enemies, they’re instruments of empire
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also losing one just means we get to pay for even bigger shittier ones
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losing one means we all die
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i believe in a world where rogue terrorists have anti ship missiles. thank you ukraine war zone
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Wheeee posted:carriers are tremendously useful for projecting force against weaker enemies, they’re instruments of empire and arguably for soft power projection in the form of disaster relief.
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War and Pieces posted:and arguably for soft power projection in the form of disaster relief. Play nice with the US State Dept or you get no disaster relief from our military. Glad we have that policy of spite, it seems to be working out great for global stability.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Play nice with the US State Dept or you get no disaster relief from our military. Glad we have that policy of spite, it seems to be working out great for global stability. biopower is as biopower does
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Frosted Flake posted:I have all of Friedman’s books on naval guns and gunnery, but I meant more the knots and semaphore flags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqpCCqPuFik
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:navy morale doesn't seem to be doing too great I had never heard about this before quote:During an all-hands call, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Russell Smith admitted that working and living aboard a carrier undergoing such maintenance is tough. He said that Big Navy could do a better job to “manage expectations” about how bad it can be when it comes to working bathrooms, food and living in a construction zone. The stupid boat has been undergoing repairs for five years in the same drydock and none of the crew has gotten to do the jobs they were supposed to be doing at all. It's the exact same poo poo as the F22 and F35 always being broken, just on another order of magnitude.
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yeah shipyard periods suck. but it’s better than being underway. being out at sea blows.
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there is poo poo to do in a shipyard you need crew for .
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why are they living on it tho?
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they should steal the ship and go on an adventure like captain kirk
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Real hurthling! posted:why are they living on it tho? sometimes you live in hotels too. depends on what is being done.
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are they installing the digital launch system? im against it. "give me the goddamn steam!" a handsome man once said
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Real hurthling! posted:are they installing the digital launch system? im against it. "give me the goddamn steam!" a handsome man once said China should bait Elon to enter the MIC business
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What’s up with all of the collisions and peacetime deaths in the USN the past few years?
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Frosted Flake posted:What’s up with all of the collisions and peacetime deaths in the USN the past few years? gotta show china the flag in order to prove we're not a dying empire
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When the Navy was having that rash of collisions, I remember reading people reckoning it was because they were running skeleton crews, treating crews like poo poo almost solely for vibes, and scrimping on training because the budget had to go to grift projects like LCS instead.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:ships are just dangerous and godawful to be on too. "gently caress the ocean"
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