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Bar Ran Dun posted:Shipping companies wouldn’t have a choice underwriters won’t cover. Ukraine would also have the option to expand rail lines and ship their goods into Poland or Romania, who I assume Russia will not shoot or bomb. I imagine they would be pleased as punch to have a new trade route run through them thanks to Russian missile, after a bit of a wind up.
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I agree with all of that. Exporting through romania will be difficult, less profitable, a band-aid solution, but it would keep Ukrainian industry mostly going. there is a lot of goodwill and desire to help from Romania side atm, and already announced projects to boost the capacity, reestablish broad gauge links and purchase gauge changing wagons, I linked some articles earlier:catfry posted:Ukrainian products are being exported through rail lines to Romanian ports. The first shipment since the start of the war has been loaded on a ship in Constanta, Romania. Ever since the blockade of Ukrainian ports, companies have been working to find alternatives. According to this article though, the potential of existing raillines is only 10% of seagoing vessels, proving a serious bottleneck. the issue is among others that there is a change of rail gauge, resulting in time consuming reloading.
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Rinkles posted:It was sad realizing sentiments similar to this weren't uncommon among many of the great Russian writers. Hard to imagine it from Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy.
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MixMasterMalaria posted:Hard to imagine it from Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy. Or Gogol...
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Wild if true, The Ukrainians killed another General, so still one dead Russian General per week. https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1520480474845663232
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Random Integer posted:I enjoyed this article about why Russians support the war. Its in Russian but google translate seemed to do a pretty good job. Interesting read although not very encouraging. The cognitive dissonance is incredible. Like the author notes, it makes the 80%+ support for Putin and the war seem pretty believable. I also get the impression the national mood is insecure, bloodthirsty, and angry enough that they'd be willing to tolerate some form of escalation, whatever that might look like.
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Tuna-Fish posted:The razor you want is Hanlon's. Another thing to consider instead of sabotage is the sanctions. Like how much industrial equipment is being run past its rated lifetime because it can't be replaced? How many maintenance items for said equipment are no longer available? How much safety gear can't be replaced right now? There was talk of "airplanes falling out of the sky" due to lack of maintenance equipment/expertise lack (which obvs has yet to happen) but the same is probably true of a lot of heavy industry.
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MixMasterMalaria posted:Hard to imagine it from Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy. Here is an article about that exact question: https://theconversation.com/how-should-dostoevsky-and-tolstoy-be-read-during-russias-war-against-ukraine-179932 Turns out Dostoyevsky maybe, Tolstoy not so much.
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So one quick way I like to illustrate the efficiency of sea transport is this: "OK, how far do you think you could pick up me up and throw me before you get too tired to keep going?" "All right, now how far do you think you could drag me across the floor before you get tired?" "OK, now if I was floating on my back in a swimming pool, how far do you think you could push me before you got tired?" It is way, way more efficient to transport stuff by ships than by any other method of transportation. It tends to be slower but it's difficult to beat for raw bulk. There's a reason why the vast majority of the world's trade routes run by ship whenever there's an option to do so. Trains can help pick up some of the slack but they can't really replace ports unless their infrastructure was designed from the start to handle the same raw throughput as a port could. Keep in mind, one of the issues with trains is that they're bottlenecked not just by the number of trains they have and how quickly their stations can load and unload cargo, but also by how much rail they actually have to accommodate a given amount of trains. You can't put more than one train on the same set of rails in the same place after all, and freight train lines can get pretty long. You could build more rail, but that has complications because the initial rail line was most likely laid down where it was because it was the simplest and cheapest option - other rail lines will likely be more complex, more expensive, or would run through existing construction. That's not to say that it isn't an important prop to the Ukrainian economy with their ports blockaded, and it's not to say that they won't be highly motivated to come up with solutions to any problems, but there's going to be a limit I think on how much can be achieved and the fact is that as long as the ports are blockaded it'll be putting a hurting on Ukraine and the most they can do is to staunch the bleeding. Here's a few articles to illustrate the differences in scale: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21432226 posted:What is blue, a quarter of a mile long, and taller than London's Olympic stadium? https://www.costamare.com/industry_containerisation posted:Since 2000 the average vessel size of container ships has more than doubled. Today’s largest container ship can carry about 24,000 TEUs. https://shippingwatch.com/Ports/article11989745.ece posted:The enormous ships, the biggest of which are 400 meters long and have a capacity of 23,000 teu, make it cheaper to move containers. But they also create problems in the ports. Note also: The sheer scale and size and thus cost of these ships means that shipping companies and their insurance companies would not, at all, in any way, want to gently caress around with doing anything that might potentially lose them. Such as, say, trying to run a Russian blockade when they've demonstrated a distinct trigger-happiness regarding merchant vessels.
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Chalks posted:Russia's propaganda line is that the sanctions are meaningless and that nobody should care about them. While the negotiations are all theatrics they have been sticking to this - sanctions have not once been mentioned previously despite them being an obvious element of any deal. Podolyak is now saying Lavrov is lying and sanctions are not being discussed in the negotiations. I think Lavrov just wants to start a dialogue about lifting sanctions. https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1520430836021182465?s=20&t=_lamYTSJRXFPZvI1m-X6Ww
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Scaramouche posted:Another thing to consider instead of sabotage is the sanctions. Like how much industrial equipment is being run past its rated lifetime because it can't be replaced? How many maintenance items for said equipment are no longer available? How much safety gear can't be replaced right now? There was talk of "airplanes falling out of the sky" due to lack of maintenance equipment/expertise lack (which obvs has yet to happen) but the same is probably true of a lot of heavy industry. I wondered about that, but how much western equipment is something like a coal power plant going to rely on? I imagine much of their vital infrastructure will date back to the USSR and can probably be maintained without western parts. Aircraft are the one big exception to that. Wildeyes posted:Podolyak is now saying Lavrov is lying and sanctions are not being discussed in the negotiations. I think Lavrov just wants to start a dialogue about lifting sanctions. Well, at least it's something I guess. Negotiations are still theatre but they're laying the ground for actually starting soon maybe? This is going to drag on and on 
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1520466584967516160?s=20&t=RUSo2PjRyH4GSGyp8wnrhA https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1520466816816013314?s=20&t=RUSo2PjRyH4GSGyp8wnrhA British media btfu once again
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Yeah man there is a reason why the meme is I want to Believe in regards to the Ghost of Ukraine.
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Telsa Cola posted:Yeah man there is a reason why the meme is I want to Believe in regards to the Ghost of Ukraine. You need to kill your inner Putinist https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ghost-of-kyiv-killed-after-shooting-40-russian-jets-identity-revealed-2933893 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ghost-of-kyiv-who-shot-down-more-than-40-russian-aircraft-dies-in-battle-q3sq0hztx https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/ghost-of-kyiv-major-stepan-tarabalka-killed-in-battle/ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nessus posted:There are also NATO countries on the Black Sea, are there not? They’d just put a policy exclusion on Ports involved the war. The Hull policies probably already have exclusions for war in existing policies. Cargo policies are mostly going to be voyage specific for bulk and coils and just won’t get issued. Or if there is a blanket policy it’ll have war exclusions. On the RUS side underwriters basically can’t pay out any losses period because of sanctions.
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FishBulbia posted:You need to kill your inner Putinist You just posted a bunch of tabloids and also what the hell is your problem, this is the second time you posted poo poo like that.
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Nenonen posted:Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well. How does this make any sense whatsoever It's the kind of move I was expecting from Hungary or Turkey.
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It appears that the Azovstal complex is many smaller shelters Ragozin has had a change of heart so I hope he is still permitted to be posted https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1520491810640048131 if a soviet staircase landing could speak these are literally the civilian civil defense structures from the cold war, thought it was a bigger complex than that tbh
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Atreiden posted:Wild if true, The Ukrainians killed another General, so still one dead Russian General per week. The daddest general. Well, now the deaddest general I guess.    Scaramouche posted:Another thing to consider instead of sabotage is the sanctions. Like how much industrial equipment is being run past its rated lifetime because it can't be replaced? How many maintenance items for said equipment are no longer available? How much safety gear can't be replaced right now? There was talk of "airplanes falling out of the sky" due to lack of maintenance equipment/expertise lack (which obvs has yet to happen) but the same is probably true of a lot of heavy industry. This is a good point. Equipment, but also consultants and other expert services. Although I wouldn't expect to see results this soon, but who knows? Phlegmish posted:How does this make any sense whatsoever The Croatian government has pledged its support to Finnish and Swedish NATO membership, it's just the dumb president being dumb while having no authority in the issue.
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Drove back from Berlin to Warsaw and I’m sure now Russia is using trucks from Kazakhstan to ferry stuff to and from the EU. Unlike a few weeks ago, there was no Belarusian or Russian haulers. Good to see Ukrainian trucks going in both directions.
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Nessus posted:There are also NATO countries on the Black Sea, are there not? There would be a run from Odessa or areas, I assume, to those areas, then to the Bosporus. It also harms Russia, I think, not least that if they're saying "we will sink anything that floats coming from the direction of Ukraine" they are probably not getting a lot of sanctions relief. It might be in their interest to refit the country to not be compatible with Russian gauge trains.
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https://twitter.com/Nordic_News/status/1520465709515657216 Next time i hope we follow Turkey's lead and shoot the fuckers down.
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FishBulbia posted:It appears that the Azovstal complex is many smaller shelters I remember one of the azov or marines videos saying something to the effect of there were many smaller shelters. They specifically were referring to having civilians in one area and soldiers in another to stave off accusations of human shields.
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Gejnor posted:https://twitter.com/Nordic_News/status/1520465709515657216 Honestly, I just want them to try that horse poo poo with Poland.
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Nenonen posted:The daddest general. Well, now the deaddest general I guess. Dude looks like he had a collection of old 80s Dungeons and Dragons editions at home. RIP Russian nerd general E: was there a Soviet dungeons and dragons equivalent?
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Something new is on fire. Russia’s largest producer of antibiotics. https://youtu.be/jcnIp3Q9t8c
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Risky Bisquick posted:If Ukraine was serious about rail shipping there would be a push for new lines or to refit some existing lines to standard gauge from the Russian gauge. Ukraine has 22300 kilometres of railway. It would be a daunting project that would take years, in the meanwhile part of the country would be in different gauge and would require different gauge locomotives and cars than rest of the country. I don't know if anyone has ever done that. Finland still uses 1524mm gauge which is compatible with the Russian 1520mm gauge1, while Sweden and Norway use 1435mm standard gauge. 1 Finland uses the original Imperial Russian gauge, while Soviet Union changed the gauge slightly in the 1960's (from 5 ft to 4 ft 11 27⁄32 in). The five feet gauge came to Russian empire from southern United States where it was dominant at the time when Russia started building railways and when they hired George Washington Whistler for the job. Yes, the father of the painter of Whistler's Mother. I think I have now diverted enough from the topic.
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FishBulbia posted:Ragozin has had a change of heart so I hope he is still permitted to be posted When was Ragozin, or any other media source for that matter, prohibited from being posted in this thread?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Something new is on fire. Russia’s largest producer of antibiotics. That doesn't look like a major medical plant, it's a small shack just across the street from some houses. Do you have any kind of source better than a YouTube rando?
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Nenonen posted:Ukraine has 22300 kilometres of railway. It would be a daunting project that would take years, in the meanwhile part of the country would be in different gauge and would require different gauge locomotives and cars than rest of the country. I don't know if anyone has ever done that. Finland still uses 1524mm gauge which is compatible with the Russian 1520mm gauge1, while Sweden and Norway use 1435mm standard gauge. …No no, let’s see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
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MrYenko posted:…No no, let’s see how deep the rabbit hole goes. I could continue on realism in painting and the etymology of 'whistle'?
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aphid_licker posted:E: was there a Soviet dungeons and dragons equivalent? Not really. There were plenty of popular card games, as far as tabletop gaming for adults is concerned.
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Nenonen posted:That doesn't look like a major medical plant, it's a small shack just across the street from some houses. Do you have any kind of source better than a YouTube rando? There’s info in the video description about the original source. I just can’t paste it in for some reason.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Not really. There were plenty of popular card games, as far as tabletop gaming for adults is concerned. What kind, like traditional ones or new fantasy-themed ones?
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Gejnor posted:https://twitter.com/Nordic_News/status/1520465709515657216
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Wildeyes posted:Russia, Belarus Form New USSR, Call On Ex-Soviet Nations to Join They've founded about ten different entities at this point. 
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aphid_licker posted:Dude looks like he had a collection of old 80s Dungeons and Dragons editions at home. RIP Russian nerd general Bunkers and Fascists.
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