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BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Begemot posted:

I usually don't care for excessive realism, but I think Neal Adams hits a good medium. His stuff definitely feels more dynamic than Alex Ross, or like the art in Ex Machina where it's all traced over models doing poses. Some people get too caught up in trying to perfectly replicate the human form and forget that the pictures are supposed to be conveying action and telling a story too.

This. Guys like Miller, Kirby, Eisner, John Buscema, Gene Colan, Barry Windsor Smith really had a knack for moving your eye through a page and a sense of pace. I love Kingdom Come but a lot of the pages look more like framed snapshots than (what I like to think should be more like) story boards. The painting and the splash pages are all very impressive but a lot of them also look jumbled because they're just a collection of good renderings.

Bernie Wrightson was about the best I ever saw that could do both.

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# ? May 11, 2024 07:29

Rev. Bleech_: Oct 19, 2004; ~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

thetoughestbean posted:

Yeah and I kind of hate it! This is obviously kind of a dumb opinion but I feel like at a certain point realism in art is just abdicating having an art style

"Hate" is strong, but this is why I don't particularly gush over Alex Ross. The only exception being his Spider-Man, because it is legit kind of scary. But ask me to choose between Ross and Max Sarin, and I'll pick the latter every day

# ? Mar 19, 2022 20:38

Flesh Forge: Jan 31, 2011; LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

For some reason I posted this in the Fallout Modding thread but it should have gone here!

https://twitter.com/TerryMooreArt/status/1505927444091764736

# ? Mar 21, 2022 17:17

40Inch: Aug 15, 2002

Is this okay to say?

I appreciate Terry Moore's art and I think it's good.

But I've never liked Terry Moore's art.

# ? Mar 21, 2022 17:58

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

40Inch posted:

Is this okay to say?

I appreciate Terry Moore's art and I think it's good.

But I've never liked Terry Moore's art.

It's okay to not like things.

# ? Mar 21, 2022 18:05

Madkal: Feb 11, 2008; Can't post for 42 hours!; Fallen Rib

Flesh Forge posted:

For some reason I posted this in the Fallout Modding thread but it should have gone here!

https://twitter.com/TerryMooreArt/status/1505927444091764736

One thing this reminds me of is going to cons back in the pre pandemic days and how some artists would be there to sign stuff and do quick headshot artwork for some scratch, and other artists will be there to take commissions and make some serious scratch.
I remember going to a con one year and Tim Sale was there. He did a quick doodle of Batman in one of the books I bought for him to sign and did a signature too. It took him maybe 2 mins tops. A few years later I saw that he was at a con again and I wanted to get some stuff signed by him but every time I went to his table there would be some guy there saying that he was busy working on commissions and would be doing signing between certain hours (like just one hour that entire day) and the rest of his time at the con he was there doing artwork. I was a bit let down by this because I just wanted to get him to sign some more comics but I can't really fault him for this, and I did get a Batman doodle done for free from him years ago so it works out.
Jeff Lemire is another guy who will do a quick doodle when signing stuff (depending on the line up) and I really appreciate that.

# ? Mar 21, 2022 19:31

Flesh Forge: Jan 31, 2011; LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

40Inch posted:

Is this okay to say?

I appreciate Terry Moore's art and I think it's good.

But I've never liked Terry Moore's art.

it doesn't make you a very bad person :shrug:

# ? Mar 21, 2022 21:04

Joe Fisto: Dec 6, 2002; And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

I like Esad Ribic. He makes a really intimidating Thanos.

He also adds some sexiness to the Mad Titan

But sometimes Ribic does this.

No, that is not Aunt May cosplaying as Captain Marvel. That's supposed to be Carol. Its not a smaller image either. Its prominent on the page. Also on that particular page Tony looks Asian.

All of these are from recent issues of the Eternals.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:27

Ygolonac

Nov 26, 2007

pre:

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It's a perfectly natural result of excessive g-force over the years.

The bodysuit is extra-supportive for the same reason.

# ? Mar 24, 2022 19:57

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

That's a good Thanos, a character that almost no one seems to get right other than Starlin.

# ? Mar 24, 2022 23:31

Joe Fisto: Dec 6, 2002; And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

This popped up on my twitter feed. This is the best Skrull I've ever seen.

Dick Trauma posted:

That's a good Thanos, a character that almost no one seems to get right other than Starlin.

I like Ron Lim's Thanos as well. So much in fact I have him tattooed on my arm.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 14:28

scary ghost dog: Aug 5, 2007

this tradd moore issue of batman: black & white is awesome. i love tradd moore

# ? Mar 25, 2022 15:18

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Joe Fisto posted:

I like Ron Lim's Thanos as well. So much in fact I have him tattooed on my arm.

Took a quick look and find his Thanos sufficiently Starlin-like. :buddy:

# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:18

Gnome de plume: Sep 5, 2006; Hell.
Fucking.
Yes.

Joe Fisto posted:

No, that is not Aunt May cosplaying as Captain Marvel. That's supposed to be Carol. Its not a smaller image either. Its prominent on the page. Also on that particular page Tony looks Asian.

All of these are from recent issues of the Eternals.

He was just tired out from drawing Thanos' rear end ok?
Stupid sexy Thanos.

# ? Mar 28, 2022 01:36

Parkingtigers: Feb 23, 2008; TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.

If he gets all the stones he can wipe out half the universe with one clap of his cheeks.

# ? Mar 30, 2022 06:10

Scuba Trooper: Feb 25, 2006

scary ghost dog posted:

this tradd moore issue of batman: black & white is awesome. i love tradd moore

he did an unreleased (well, now released in an online "tales from the dc vault" thing) suicide squad story that absolutely rules

https://twitter.com/jimzub/status/1356670839584935938

# ? Mar 30, 2022 23:36

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Antigravitas posted:

From the English translation of Dujon; "Dragon Cemetary"

Translator worked extra hard on these panels.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 10:04

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Not sure if MAD Magazine has been brought up in the thread but I was a reading an article about their history.

I've always thought the work they did on their film parodies was amazing, especially given how little photo reference was probably available back then. There was no internet or even VCR's to use for purposes of capturing likenesses. I imagine they had several stills to work from but I can't think they had a ton of them or that the studios would want to cooperate with the artists. Maybe they did?

My knee jerk reaction though would be that the film makers might not want to make jokes out of serious films but on the other hand maybe they saw it as publicity. I remember reading their versions of Saturday Night Fever, Dog Day Afternoon and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as a kid before I ever even saw the movies and being really impressed with the drawings. I mean, I knew who the actors were but was too young to see R rated films.

I wonder how they were to able to draw them so well with such limited reference material though.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 14:58

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

BiggerBoat posted:

Not sure if MAD Magazine has been brought up in the thread but I was a reading an article about their history.

I've always thought the work they did on their film parodies was amazing, especially given how little photo reference was probably available back then. There was no internet or even VCR's to use for purposes of capturing likenesses. I imagine they had several stills to work from but I can't think they had a ton of them or that the studios would want to cooperate with the artists. Maybe they did?

My knee jerk reaction though would be that the film makers might not want to make jokes out of serious films but on the other hand maybe they saw it as publicity. I remember reading their versions of Saturday Night Fever, Dog Day Afternoon and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as a kid before I ever even saw the movies and being really impressed with the drawings. I mean, I knew who the actors were but was too young to see R rated films.

I wonder how they were to able to draw them so well with such limited reference material though.

They definitely had photo references for the main actors. There would be publicity stills and magazine articles and those old posters that had headshots of the entire main cast at the bottom.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 18:08

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Skwirl posted:

They definitely had photo references for the main actors. There would be publicity stills and magazine articles and those old posters that had headshots of the entire main cast at the bottom.

Well, obviously. I just meant that back then that reference was far less available than it is now and I think what they pulled off with limited resources was remarkable, even though MAD artists don't really get brought up all that much when we talk about great comic book art. I'm an illustrator myself and doubt I could do as good a job even with Google images at my disposal.

I'm a :corsair:

and when I was an illustration major, one of the main things they taught us was to build a photo reference library. Obviously, this was before computers took over. I still have boxes and boxes of poo poo I tore from magazines that i occasionally use for collage. Stuff as rudimentary as hair dryers, flowers and all sorts of dumb poo poo. I used to gather up magazines that people would toss in the trash to help build my reference material.

The change is part of why you can use reverse image searches to bust artists "stealing" material. They've always done it but back then it was harder to tell that that drawing of Richard Dreyfuss was from a People Magazine article or whatever.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 18:31

Zoben: Oct 3, 2001

BiggerBoat posted:

Well, obviously. I just meant that back then that reference was far less available than it is now and I think what they pulled off with limited resources was remarkable, even though MAD artists don't really get brought up all that much when we talk about great comic book art. I'm an illustrator myself and doubt I could do as good a job even with Google images at my disposal.

I'm a and when I was an illustration major, one of the main things they taught us was to build a photo reference library. Obviously, this was before computers took over. I still have boxes and boxes of poo poo I tore from magazines that i occasionally use for collage. Stuff as rudimentary as hair dryers, flowers and all sorts of dumb poo poo. I used to gather up magazines that people would toss in the trash to help build my reference material.

The change is part of why you can use reverse image searches to bust artists "stealing" material. They've always done it but back then it was harder to tell that that drawing of Richard Dreyfuss was from a People Magazine article or whatever.

I'm with you there, I'm also a :corsair:

and I have all sorts of poo poo from gathering reference back in the day. My teachers called it a "morgue." Lots of magazines, and since I was into drawing comic books there were plenty of Guns & Ammo and muscle dude magazines so I could try to get the anatomy somewhat right. Of course, I still used comic artists as my main inspiration though so I had ridiculous proportions and relentless cross-hatching in my art until I went to school and did actual live figure drawing.

Since I went to college in 1998, the internet was there but still left a lot to be desired in terms of images and reference. It took me a while to break out of the practice of going to the library and looking through encyclopedias and stuff like that before I realized that "hey, I can just look this poo poo up on Altavista or something."

I had all sorts of old Mad magazines too, and I know what you mean! The illustrators were pretty badass. You had the silly stuff with Don Martin, Dave Berg with "Lighter Side of" (I can still remember the dude's name, Roger Kaputnik, but I can barely remember what happened last week), Sergio Aragones was the poo poo, and of course Mort Drucker. I had those when I was like 10 years old or so, and I remember re-reading them as I got older and all of a sudden I understood more and more of the references they used.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 19:04

Bayham Badger: Jan 19, 2007; Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

A friend of mine sent this artist's instagram over to me a while ago and I've been enjoying his reimagined versions of comic book covers and pages that are all very... wet and gooey for lack of a better descriptor.

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1508530714760953856

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1508090155953012741

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1508004509141901315

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1509223016609333251

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1510167231732330497

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1510546301490024451

click through the tweets to see the original in the replies (usually)

# ? Apr 3, 2022 19:08

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

that reminds me of that one secret wars mini where everyone is all wrinkly and ugly

# ? Apr 3, 2022 19:12

Rhyno: Mar 22, 2003; Can't post for 10 years!

site posted:

that reminds me of that one secret wars mini where everyone is all wrinkly and ugly

Hella rude to talk smack about their disabilities like that.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 20:12

How Wonderful!: Jul 18, 2006; I only have excellent ideas

site posted:

that reminds me of that one secret wars mini where everyone is all wrinkly and ugly

I know none of us here in BSS are getting any younger, but you don't need to stoop to calling us a Secret Wars mini.

# ? Apr 3, 2022 20:49

Small Strange Bird: Sep 22, 2006; Merci, chaton!

BiggerBoat posted:

Not sure if MAD Magazine has been brought up in the thread but I was a reading an article about their history.

I've always thought the work they did on their film parodies was amazing, especially given how little photo reference was probably available back then. There was no internet or even VCR's to use for purposes of capturing likenesses. I imagine they had several stills to work from but I can't think they had a ton of them or that the studios would want to cooperate with the artists. Maybe they did?

My knee jerk reaction though would be that the film makers might not want to make jokes out of serious films but on the other hand maybe they saw it as publicity. I remember reading their versions of Saturday Night Fever, Dog Day Afternoon and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as a kid before I ever even saw the movies and being really impressed with the drawings. I mean, I knew who the actors were but was too young to see R rated films.

I wonder how they were to able to draw them so well with such limited reference material though.

Jack Davis drew the posters for multiple movies in the 60s and 70s (and was a massively in-demand artist for corporate publicity campaigns), so the studios were probably happy to send him any reference material he required. And the behind-the-scenes books for shows like Star Trek and Mission: Impossible made it look like being spoofed in Mad was a great compliment and a sign that you'd arrived, so the same likely applied there. (The official M:I book actually reprinted the entire Mad strip!)

# ? Apr 3, 2022 21:58

Scaramouche: Mar 26, 2001; SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Yeah was going to say, it helps the parodies when the MAD artist also draws the movie poster

https://filmartgallery.com/collections/jack-davis

# ? Apr 3, 2022 23:31

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Scaramouche posted:

Yeah was going to say, it helps the parodies when the MAD artist also draws the movie poster

https://filmartgallery.com/collections/jack-davis

Holy poo poo I forgot about those. Thanks for posting them. I really miss some of this type of work now that everything is photoshopped to death and what not. Same with the stuff guys like Bob Peak did and the late 70's Star Wars/Star Trek type of art.

I guess that's veering slightly away from comic book art but one thing about those illustrations is there was no "undo" button. No "layers" where you could experiment and play with opacity or move stuff around. No scanning poo poo in. No saving different versions or color correcting. If you wanted to xerox something, you had to find a machine and there wasn't a Kinkos or PIP on every corner. It was all slip sheeting, tracing paper, light boxing, planning ahead and NAILING that final version after hours of meticulous work, thumbnails, masking and mixing you color just right. If you spilled ink on a piece, got a palm print on it, your airbrush leaked paint on that bitch or your work got crumpled when you shipped it, you were hosed.

I kind of miss that level of craft to be honest. Where your FINAL was sacred and not "filename_FINAL_v5_REV". If we were doing the Sistine ceiling now, somebody would want to print it on vinyl and wrap the god damned thing.

# ? Apr 4, 2022 00:02

Mister Kingdom: Dec 14, 2005; And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Bayham Badger posted:

A friend of mine sent this artist's instagram over to me a while ago and I've been enjoying his reimagined versions of comic book covers and pages that are all very... wet and gooey for lack of a better descriptor.

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1508530714760953856

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1508090155953012741

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1508004509141901315

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1509223016609333251

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1510167231732330497

https://twitter.com/HisIain/status/1510546301490024451

click through the tweets to see the original in the replies (usually)

It's good to see the Salad Fingers guy branching out.

# ? Apr 4, 2022 00:37

Chinston Wurchill: Jun 27, 2010; It's not that kind of test.

The art on Marauders #1 is generally fine but there are some unusual Kate faces which is a shame as she's the main character.

I just checked, and there's only one artist on the book. That second one in particular looks completely different.

# ? Apr 6, 2022 20:28

Push El Burrito: May 9, 2006; Soiled Meat

Her secondary mutation is nose shapechanging.

# ? Apr 6, 2022 20:31

Madkal: Feb 11, 2008; Can't post for 42 hours!; Fallen Rib

I have never seen an inverted nose.

# ? Apr 6, 2022 21:13

Ygolonac

Nov 26, 2007

pre:

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CLUTCH  NIXON
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Chinston Wurchill posted:

The art on Marauders #1 is generally fine but there are some unusual Kate faces which is a shame as she's the main character.

I just checked, and there's only one artist on the book. That second one in particular looks completely different.

Kaitfu

# ? Apr 6, 2022 23:26

StumblyWumbly: Sep 12, 2007; Batmanticore!

Sometimes artists will have other folks do particular things like faces. If that's what happened it seems junk that they aren't getting credit, but there could be a deal going on.

# ? Apr 7, 2022 00:50

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Golden Age Batman was usually pretty bright and colourful, often full-on cartoony, but every now and then there's a panel like the second-last one here that hints of things to come years (decades?) later.

Batman #19, legendary Batman artist Dick Sprang.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 02:55

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Comic book artist Neal Adams has died

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/29/us/neal-adams-dies/index.html

He was one of my favorites growing up

# ? Apr 30, 2022 11:31

Digamma-F-Wau: Mar 22, 2016; It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

Here's some obvious low hanging fruit with Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie) #113

Now the cover was from the standard cover team of the time:

Pencils: Patrick Spaziante
Inks: Nelson Ribeiro
Colors: either an unknown colorist who didn't sign their name or Spaziante and/or Ribeiro

and the Frontispiece is also fine (and again, the standard frontispiece team):

Pencils: Jeff Axer
Inks: can't find any artist signatures so I can't say for sure but cross referencing some full stories and frontispieces with signatures that Axer worked on at the time my best guess would be Nelson Ribeiro
Colors: Josh and Aimee Ray

But then you get to the actual issue itself (note: cherry picking random highlight pages):

Original SatAM Episode Script: Pat Allee
Script Adaptation: Jay Oliveras* ("with help by Karl Bollers")
Pencils/Inks: Jay Oliveras* ("with help by Many Hands")
Colors: Josh and Aimee Ray
Letters: Vickie Williams

(*Jay Oliveras is rumored to be a pseudonym for then-editor Justin Gabrie)

# ? May 1, 2022 04:21

Conrad_Birdie: Jul 10, 2009; I WAS THERE
WHEN CODY RHODES
FINISHED THE STORY

Sonic the Hedgehog comics were essentially nationally published outsider art for like 15 years. Wild.

# ? May 1, 2022 04:59

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

I would not describe a cover with mpreg Robotnik in the background as fine.

# ? May 3, 2022 00:31

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# ? May 11, 2024 07:29

scary ghost dog: Aug 5, 2007

Digamma-F-Wau posted:

Here's some obvious low hanging fruit with Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie) #113

Now the cover was from the standard cover team of the time:

Pencils: Patrick Spaziante
Inks: Nelson Ribeiro
Colors: either an unknown colorist who didn't sign their name or Spaziante and/or Ribeiro

and the Frontispiece is also fine (and again, the standard frontispiece team):

Pencils: Jeff Axer
Inks: can't find any artist signatures so I can't say for sure but cross referencing some full stories and frontispieces with signatures that Axer worked on at the time my best guess would be Nelson Ribeiro
Colors: Josh and Aimee Ray

But then you get to the actual issue itself (note: cherry picking random highlight pages):

Original SatAM Episode Script: Pat Allee
Script Adaptation: Jay Oliveras* ("with help by Karl Bollers")
Pencils/Inks: Jay Oliveras* ("with help by Many Hands")
Colors: Josh and Aimee Ray
Letters: Vickie Williams

(*Jay Oliveras is rumored to be a pseudonym for then-editor Justin Gabrie)

the covers look awful as well.

# ? May 3, 2022 02:01

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