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Radical 90s Wizard posted:After what we've seen, the idea of them having an "EW Expert" at all made me lol. One of the articles I read within the last week was an interview with a Ukrainian who said basically that the Russia’s electronic warfare abilities are as effective as their worst fears, but the Russians have been unable to use it widely because the Russian communication and radar and other electronic systems are such a shambles that they just end up blinding themselves too.
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A.o.D. posted:Here's what I want. I want the Russians out of Ukraine. I'm willing to support whatever that takes, but I'd prefer to see a measured, incremental approach that leverages political, diplomatic, economic, and finally military aid to Ukraine. The longer Russia presses the attack, the more aid I want given until it's sufficient to either convince the Russians to leave, or forcibly remove them from Ukrainian territory. If my math is correct that's .17 MOA
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May 1, 2022 14:06
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St_Ides posted:One of the articles I read within the last week was an interview with a Ukrainian who said basically that the Russia’s electronic warfare abilities are as effective as their worst fears, but the Russians have been unable to use it widely because the Russian communication and radar and other electronic systems are such a shambles that they just end up blinding themselves too. They have good gear. They've certainly spent enough money on it. We're seeing why the West tends to spend more on training and sustainment than on the weapons themselves, although we do spend a shitload on the weapons themselves.
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May 1, 2022 14:09
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I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night
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May 1, 2022 14:11
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that is certainly some kind of thinking alright.
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May 1, 2022 14:13
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night Tell me you know nothing about Ukraine or the EU by comparing it to Afghanistan AND Iraq
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May 1, 2022 14:17
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night That’s quite the take you’ve got there. “A lot of people” doing a lot of heavy lifting too. Tell me, along what lines do you expect the Ukrainian population to break into sectarian factions?
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The question of what is to become of Russia def is interesting. Giving them aid to reconstruct is kind of not a great feeling, but if they sit in squalor after a military defeat they're gonna vent their frustrations *somehow*
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Alchenar posted:Training programs to get Ukrainian AF worked up on NATO equipment. The stuff we are doing hopefully gets Ukraine to the end of the year. But nobody in the West is making any more T64s or T72s or 152mm shells, once that stuff is gone then it's gone. Even if the war ends this year the Ukranian AF is going to need to start transitioning off that stuff next year to continue to deter Russia. And if the war does go long term then we should be thinking about starting now on the stuff that takes 12 months to learn how to operate and deploy. They're a little busy right now...that's also a very complicated issue.
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president z punches a button as his eyes glow red ukraine sign flips over to ukraineSSR gasps echo as he slowly begins chuckling
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aphid_licker posted:The question of what is to become of Russia def is interesting. Giving them aid to reconstruct is kind of not a great feeling, but if they sit in squalor after a military defeat they're gonna vent their frustrations *somehow* Russia’s never been “stable” for more than a few decades without some brutal repression, I’m honestly not even sure how it could be fixed. Balkanize it maybe?
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aphid_licker posted:The question of what is to become of Russia def is interesting. Giving them aid to reconstruct is kind of not a great feeling, but if they sit in squalor after a military defeat they're gonna vent their frustrations *somehow* It's going to be an impossible sell to voters, most European governments are going to raise taxes to compensate for Ukraine mil kit and recovery which is likely going to be a bloodbath on its own, trying to justify economic or humanitarian aid to a country that decided to massacre untold thousands is unlikely to pass uncontested if at all.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. …. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. The EU has shown that it is very good at converting ex communist states into states that share it’s values (not a perfect record, but still). The US though seems to be terrible at taking middle eastern countries and doing the same thing. IMO it’s due to communist regimes making better institutions than dictatorships, and the EU is prolly just exporting a set of policies that most polities will like (rather that privatisation and deregulation being a fix for everthing).
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FrozenVent posted:Balkanize it maybe? Well China has skipped the question of choosing sides and started the discussion on division. https://tpyxa.net/2022/04/29/on-the...r-its-collapse/
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Saukkis posted:Well China has skipped the question of choosing sides and started the discussion on division. lmao whaaat
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It's a little strange having to explain this, but no-one is going to help Russia. Russia is going to starve like they always do. Where we're at in 20 years is to far out to predict but we'll probably live to see it in any case. And lastly, Balkanisation has been the correct solution to Russia since the 16th century but that is a tricky political project to pull off.
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Out of the nearly infinite problems with that I think Japan will take the greatest issue with their slice
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In this hypothetical, how much are the Chinese offering to pay us for taking custody of the rear end end of Siberia?
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Voyager I posted:In this hypothetical, how much are the Chinese offering to pay us for taking custody of the rear end end of Siberia? 3 container ships of PS5s
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May 1, 2022 14:46
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to what countries though. I must be assured that I can play the new horizon game properly
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FrozenVent posted:Russia’s never been “stable” for more than a few decades without some brutal repression, I’m honestly not even sure how it could be fixed. Balkanize it maybe? Letting sectors other than resource extraction develop, leading to a middle class, leading to gay liberalism, something like that? But that would mean that you'd have to push back on the entire mafia state controlling the extraction companies paradigm, and that's gonna be hard.
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Tehdas posted:The EU has shown that it is very good at converting ex communist states into states that share it’s values (not a perfect record, but still). The US though seems to be terrible at taking middle eastern countries and doing the same thing. Those other countries weren't as resource cursed though.
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PS5s will be divided proportionally by weighted metric of land size and populace of new territory. Looks like China is cool with giving North Korea a little slice, too.
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sneakyfrog posted:president z punches a button as his eyes glow red Is that? Is that the Soviet anthem! No, wait. Putin already did that gimmick.
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kylie minogue drop fades hard into probass good evening we are from ukraine the chaotic wubs of a rising dictator ensue
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night  Do you know anything about Ukraine, the EU, or Europe in general? This is so loving stupid I don't know even where to begin.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night By a lot of people, you mean Q-anon conspiracy theorists? Because none of what you said is grounded in reality in that part of the world.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night 2044: Commandos with the Space Force’s METEOR team conducted a daring raid on a highly defended compound on the outskirts of New Kyiv, the city formerly known as Berlin. After being inserted via satellite, the team engaged in a prolonged plasma fight before eventually vaporizing their target- the local leader of the Sunflowers of Azov Brigades, a sub-unit of the Slavic State of Irkutsk and Slovenia, the Orthodox Christian terrorist group that now lays claim to the entirety of the former Russian Federation and much of Western Europe.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I would be more worried that Ukraine becomes the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. We, and NATO allies are sending Ukraine a monstrous amount of money and military resources. It’s not out of the question that after they defeat Russia, they turn on a dime and become corrupt and unstoppable. Our grandkids could be the boys and girls fighting the next 20 year war overseas to try to oust yet another heavily armed benevolent dictator we created from a country we ultimately did nothing to actually help. This is keeping a lot of people up at night Look I love Terminator Genysis and even I don’t sound that high when I talk about it.
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Blind Rasputin and the computer from Wargames (1983) are both convinced that the only winning move is not to play. The reality of what is going to happen is that the aid we send to Ukraine IS going to be turned against the USA, but its going to be when Marjorie Taylor Greene becomes president and immediately has the other two branches of government arrested and implements a fascist regime of ball tanning that causes irreversible damage to the testes of todays youth. The consequences of this level of scrotal annihilation will be significant and diverse. The causal chain that results in the Ukranian invasion of Alaska is too lengthy and contextual to list out here, but rest assured it keeps me up at night. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 16:18 on May 1, 2022 |
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I love a good “many such people”
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Murgos posted:Is that? Is that the Soviet anthem!
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God drat lol. Well that post came to me while reading this thread at the end of my night shift and I thought it was funny as hell. “New Kyiv aka Berlin” lmao
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Saukkis posted:Well China has skipped the question of choosing sides and started the discussion on division. Did some rough guesstimates and by my calculations that Greater Finland would still have finns as the largest ethnicity, although not a majority.
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Saukkis posted:Well China has skipped the question of choosing sides and started the discussion on division. Let me see if I can dig up the original post, but I believe this map is actually "which country is closest to different parts of Russia" and was made years ago. No idea if Chinese media actually shared it, but I'm pretty confident the actual Chinese government would be pretty unexcited about the US having significant territory in Eurasia. Edit: At least two years old. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hjr9qg/the_nearest_country_to_you_when_in_russia/ Edit2: If the OP of that Reddit post is telling the truth, they were the original creator. BeastOfExmoor fucked around with this message at 16:41 on May 1, 2022 |
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I find it hard to believe CCTV would have aired that. It’s in the wrong language for starters.
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Glorious Kazakhstan forces all of mighty Russia into subjugation
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Been away from the thread for the last few days. Any big developments and/or Russian dicksteps?Saukkis posted:Well China has skipped the question of choosing sides and started the discussion on division. Ukraine should get Moscow as reparations. Meanwhile, Norway is probably like "Oh wow, gee thanks, more Arctic land nobody wants..."
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CBJSprague24 posted:Meanwhile, Norway is probably like "Oh wow, gee thanks, more Arctic land nobody wants..." No, Norway is playing the long game with climate change
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pantslesswithwolves posted:2044: Commandos with the Space Force’s METEOR team conducted a daring raid on a highly defended compound on the outskirts of New Kyiv, the city formerly known as Berlin. After being inserted via satellite, the team engaged in a prolonged plasma fight before eventually vaporizing their target- the local leader of the Sunflowers of Azov Brigades, a sub-unit of the Slavic State of Irkutsk and Slovenia, the Orthodox Christian terrorist group that now lays claim to the entirety of the former Russian Federation and much of Western Europe. Would absolutely watch / read / play this media product
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