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That last panel is Food Vore somehow
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May 1, 2022 01:15
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Will this story ever end? Will it ever begin?
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May 1, 2022 01:31
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Maxwell Lord posted:Not so much Food Porn as Food Clinical Illustration
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May 1, 2022 02:24
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Rotten Red Rod posted:There's still the question of why they're even STILL HERE. The only reason they came here was to see if Arudak could resurrect his dead wife, and... I guess he's not going to, so what is the point of being here? Here's a fun observation: We know what the Chandak said to Arudak, but not what he said to her. Emrikol fucked around with this message at 07:08 on May 1, 2022 |
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May 1, 2022 03:46
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Rotten Red Rod posted:There's still the question of why they're even STILL HERE. The only reason they came here was to see if Arudak could resurrect his dead wife, and... I guess he's not going to, so what is the point of being here? I guarantee you Mookie has forgotten about that.
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May 1, 2022 06:36
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Mx. posted:chak skone mite put it on the menu
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May 1, 2022 06:48
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Mx. posted:chak skone That was a terrible show and it didn't help that it was when Nickelodeon was only giving shows five or six episodes a season so it was the same few things over and over.
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May 1, 2022 08:54
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They live in Aroa now because they can't go back to Aktu because that's where the library is.
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May 1, 2022 10:03
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I forget, why did they originally go see the slutwitch of the lake?
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May 1, 2022 10:05
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Because Arudak wanted to see her about something. We know that she told him that "Kazya loved another", but Ink Witch didn't bother transcribing what it was Arudak said to her when he spoke first. He wanted to see the chandak, and he did, and we don't know what the context was, so we still don't actually know just what it was he wanted. Emrikol fucked around with this message at 11:50 on May 1, 2022 |
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May 1, 2022 10:08
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I like that Snout's big challenge was supposed to be giving up his own quest to help his friends (which would have been a decent plot point in another comic) but instead he's just going on vacation while they stand just off-screen and pay all his expenses, utterly pointless to him except when he needs naked snuggies or money.
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May 1, 2022 12:20
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Wait. Wait, wait, wait. Is Snout going to literally gently caress around and find out?
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May 1, 2022 14:42
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No, that was a couple months ago and he learned nothing.
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May 1, 2022 16:27
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Cloacamazing! posted:No, that was a couple months ago and he learned nothing. I feel like you could have posted this on literally any page of this thread and it would be 100% accurate and topical
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May 1, 2022 17:12
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An ongoing problem with this comic (one of many, many ongoing problems) is that Snout's a self-centered manbaby. And this goes pretty deep into it, because his entire appeal as a character is, in theory, that he's soft, kind, curious - that he's got all these traits that have been held up as better things for a man to be than the traditional stoic, hard masculine ideal often is. But the author here can only actually perceive these traits as aesthetic, as a question of one's personal presentation: Snout is soft, but not actually considerate; he's vulnerable, but not actually emotionally available for those around him. The core problems with the traditional masculine approach to emotional affect are not in any way solved, and the people around him are not in any way treated better than if he were a Johnny Bravo type cartoon twit - honestly, Johnny Bravo would at least be proactive and honest about his desires! Snout is just framed so that instead of demanding sex, he's simply letting it fall into his lap; instead of explicitly discounting his friends' emotions, he's making it about his own sadness when they have emotional needs; instead of declaring that he has no interest in the work of supporting others mutually or doing basic housework, he just acts hapless and it all gets done for him. And the author never realizes this, because his own hatred of 'jocks' and that particular masculine affect is completely about how they treat nerdy guys who don't seem to live up to the ideal, not about, say, the way women get reduced to props in that drama. The sex thing really stands out in the context of this really bland food page, because Snout simply fulfilling his appetites with no regard for anyone else is portrayed as an almost heroic act. "Attaboy!" and all that - there's never any consideration that Snout might put his own desires second to his friends' needs, which really makes his softness completely obviously an affect with no real deeper meaning. Snout is still completely self-centered, and his acts of kindness are very visibly about his own sense of himself as 'a kind person' rather than an attempt to understand or help others. It just bugs me!
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May 1, 2022 18:39
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Joe Slowboat posted:
The Legacy of Dominic Deegan: A Portrait of the Artist
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May 1, 2022 21:55
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Comedy option: the last few months of updates are all a dream because bog hags are hallucinogenic in the same manner as certain frogs.
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May 1, 2022 22:01
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"They all look like Snout, all of the orcs look like Snout" you all said time and time again. Well how does it feel to be racist, all of you. (this sucks and I hate it and the third panel is prime avatar material. I guess he's wondering why Arudak has sharp tusks and these local folks have blunted tusks? IDK. No dialogue.)
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May 2, 2022 05:12
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Hostile V posted:"They all look like Snout, all of the orcs look like Snout" you all said time and time again. Well how does it feel to be racist, all of you. Yup, he’s reading this thread alright. Hey Mookie! Get an editor!
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May 2, 2022 05:20
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Hostile V posted:(this sucks and I hate it and the third panel is prime avatar material. I guess he's wondering why Arudak has sharp tusks and these local folks have blunted tusks? IDK. No dialogue.) Be fair, this is the best use of no dialogue in possibly over a year. If Mookie was reading this thread the #1 thing I'd want him to take away is the bit about Snout not demonstrating kindness or curiosity, and actually acting more like a selfish, impulsive baby.
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May 2, 2022 05:31
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Why is Arudak suddenly there Also, the two right-hand side orcs that aren't Arudak are...really something
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May 2, 2022 06:43
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My hope for what he takes away is that if a reader brings up that his characters are violating each others bodily boundaries in ways that come off as manipulative and abusive, even if he didn't intend for it to read like that he shouldn't just run away from the criticism screaming that it's unfounded trolling. And that behavior like that is why people won't let him live down Stonewater after so many years. well that and also him recently drawing an epilogue showing Stonewater's happy domestic life (or at least that's how the preview framed it) Anyway I guess the other takeaway from this page is that Arudak also has a lighter hair color than the other orcs. Double checked Ilsen and the chandak and yep they've got blunt tusks too. I wonder if this is going to lead into there being different races of orcs, and if that's the case then I expect this to be handled with as much grace as every other sensitive topic in DD.
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May 2, 2022 06:54
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thanks i hate it
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May 2, 2022 06:57
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It's probably going to be that Orcs started blunting their tusks because the Orc Nazis made it an explicit point not to as a show of racial pride, or something. And Arudak hasn't blunted his tusks in all these years since he supposedly stopped being a Nazi sympathizer because
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May 2, 2022 07:34
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Shouldn't have to self-mutilate to prove you're not racist.
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May 2, 2022 07:47
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Hostile V posted:"They all look like Snout, all of the orcs look like Snout" you all said time and time again. Well how does it feel to be racist, all of you. Arudak has just noticed that all the villagers have turned into copies of Snout and is horrified.
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May 2, 2022 07:54
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super sweet best pal posted:Shouldn't have to self-mutilate to prove you're not racist. I mean yeah, but this is Mookie we're talking about here.
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May 2, 2022 08:05
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Zereth posted:Here's what he looks like if he's not been just living in a dungeon alone for ages Since I don't want to post that horrifying portrait compilation, and also wish to have this great artwork on this page again, please ALSO find a link to the same artist's representation of Orcs, and weep. (Phone posting so cannot figure out how to link the pic itself)
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May 2, 2022 08:24
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I don't believe that anyone in Mookieworld is non-racist. Even the designated good guys are just waiting for the perfect opportunity to use a slur as a wildly inappropriate, clumsy punchline. Though I guess Legacy has been pretty light on jokes.
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May 2, 2022 08:26
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Here's the story Of a lovely lady...
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May 2, 2022 08:37
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Samovar posted:Since I don't want to post that horrifying portrait compilation, and also wish to have this great artwork on this page again, please ALSO find a link to the same artist's representation of Orcs, and weep. (Phone posting so cannot figure out how to link the pic itself) I find it interesting how Japan has held onto the classic AD&D 1e MM pig-orc (and that is an excellent example), while the West has largely shifted hard to Warhammer-y orcs. Libra posted:I don't believe that anyone in Mookieworld is non-racist. Even the designated good guys are just waiting for the perfect opportunity to use a slur as a wildly inappropriate, clumsy punchline. I mean, there are jokes all over the place, but they're so loving bad they hardly register as humour.
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Libra posted:I don't believe that anyone in Mookieworld is non-racist. Even the designated good guys are just waiting for the perfect opportunity to use a slur as a wildly inappropriate, clumsy punchline. This is exactly what happens in Star Power. The Asari-knockoff crewmate acts mildly annoying, so the heroic and just Danica goes behind her back making fun of her dancing, even though Mookie already established in his Glossary Of Slurs that some slurs target the Not-Asari's culture of dance. (While a protagonist with prejudices isn't by itself damning, if I remember right the crewmate still ended up having to apologize to Danica for starting it.) RoboChrist 9000 posted:It's probably going to be that Orcs started blunting their tusks because the Orc Nazis made it an explicit point not to as a show of racial pride, or something. And Arudak hasn't blunted his tusks in all these years since he supposedly stopped being a Nazi sympathizer because super sweet best pal posted:Shouldn't have to self-mutilate to prove you're not racist. I wonder if it might somehow be the opposite, where Arudak's the one that did magical body mods (if alterists still exist in their world) to show his support, and then didn't or couldn't change it back because reasons. It'd be like getting a lovely tattoo with white supremacist insignia and then not being able to afford removal. The problem with this theory would be that I'd expect more people passing by Arudak on the street to punch him in the face, but given past logic in this comic I'm not willing to count that out. MiracleFlare fucked around with this message at 11:22 on May 2, 2022 |
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May 2, 2022 11:20
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Samovar posted:Since I don't want to post that horrifying portrait compilation, and also wish to have this great artwork on this page again, please ALSO find a link to the same artist's representation of Orcs, and weep. (Phone posting so cannot figure out how to link the pic itself) Actually really like that the artist makes a point that orcs aren't evil, but they're in conflict with humans because humans are racist and also that orcs have different beauty standards than humans and elves. ...and I mean, there being different 'types' (or races, or ethnicities) of orcs would be a good plot in the hands of a talented writer. In fantasy settings there are usually like, High Elves, Wood Elves, Faerie Elves, Moon Elves, Star Elves, Dark Elves, Winged Elves, Sun Elves, Seasonal Elves, Stone Elves, etc., orcs can be diverse too.
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May 2, 2022 11:22
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The fangs are definitely an Aroan thing, since everyone here has them and nobody in Aktu did. We've been commenting on it since the Chandak showed up. The problem, of course, is that there's no reason to actually explain it. We've inferred it by the fact that all Aroan orcs have blunted fangs, because we've been looking at them for half a year. Emrikol fucked around with this message at 16:30 on May 2, 2022 |
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May 2, 2022 16:16
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I can’t wait for Mookie to tell us about the biological differences between races of orc.
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May 2, 2022 17:13
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All this Dungeon Meshi talk finally got me to read all of over the weekend, and holy poo poo, if you're sleeping on this like I was, you need to read it right away. It's incredible and it's quickly become one of my all-time favorite comics. And I've got a lot to say about it, and since this thread is pretty much the best outlet I have for this kind of thing, BUCKLE UP KIDDOS. (Note: I won't be spoiling the details of any major plot elements but I may spoiler tag one or two things that I feel are best learned reading it on your own .) When I went into the comic, I was expecting a pretty standard story using D&D/video game tropes and mechanics explicitly implement in the world (which is a REALLY common plot element in manga/anime these days, particularly in the isekai genre) with the twist being that the main characters are eating the monsters in a very food blog documentary style. And it is that, for the first few volumes at least. But as the comic goes on, and more elements start coalescing, it becomes so much more than that. The worldbuilding, the characters, the themes, the artwork and character design... It's all absolutely amazing, and it goes places I did not expect at all, especially for a manga. I've been pretty critical of anime and manga of this current generation, as it all feels very rote - most of it looks the same, and relies on the same character tropes and plot elements over and over again. Dungeon Meshi absolutely does not, and it's all the better for it. On the worldbuilding, the D&D dungeon mechanics are not just set dressing. I'm referring to the existence of dungeons in the first place, the fact they're always filled with monsters and being raided by adventurers, the possibility and relative ease of healing and revival magic, the standard fantasy races and their differences, etc. They are integral to the story that is being told, and there's a good reason for every bit of it, both plot-wise and thematically. These things have affected the world and the people in it, and a huge element of the plot is exploring how. In particular, the life spans of the races (halflings/humans have short lives, elves/dwarves/gnomes have long lives) is not just something that constantly informs the characters (like in one hilarious scene where a dwarf assumes a fully-grown halfling is a child and starts giving him the "birds and the bees" talk) - but turns out to be the primary motivation for a major character. I can't go much further into details in the worldbuilding without spoiling plot details, but rest assured, it's not just set dressing. Examples of the incredible thought put into the worldbuilding:    On the characters, they all charming and have very well-defined personalities, without leaning into particular anime archetypes. The party leader, Lauis, while a competent fighter, is kind of blockheaded and socially awkward in a very subtle way that reveals itself throughout the story, and indeed has directed his entire life and relationships up to this point, in a rather poignant and tragic way. He's very much not the destined hero, or a brooding badass, or a dumb idiot who somehow falls face first into boobs constantly, etc. And we've all here seen Senshi, the dwarf, who is a guarded but still warm person who delights in sharing his cooking. His complete lack of acknowledgement of social queues and hyperfocus on good cuisine and feeding others is incredibly charming. (Apropos of nothing, here's my favorite Lauis moment where he nearly gets the poo poo beaten out of him by revealing he's totally into female orcs: https://i.imgur.com/5QHqdtF.jpg) But I'd say the characters that I appreciate the most are the female characters - all are competent and flawed in their own unique way, and none are shrinking violets, or romance-obsessed, or clumsy airheads, etc. In fact there's precisely one character whose motivation is a romantic crush, and it's a guy (edit: forgot there is a singular female character who has a crush, but she's not as major a plot character). My favorites are Namari, a badass female dwarf who is conflicted between her values of loyalty and practicality, and the female orc Leed, who I would die for. There IS a character (won't say who, they show up later) who seems to fall into the "uncaring badass" trope, but once again, there's a drat good reason they're that way that is fully explored and entirely consistent. I love how Ryoko Kui will do these artbook pieces that explore and flesh out the character's personalities and how they relate to each other:    The themes really shine through as the story goes on. At the start, there's a big focus on the importance of a good meal and how it affects your life and work, and I thought that would be the only major theme. But the story goes so many other places, and I can't really go into detail without spoiling anything, but it includes empathy, desire, racial prejudice and justice, different peoples' point of views and how they approach and interpret social interaction, and what is finally revealed as the overarching main theme (not revealing any specific plot elements here, but spoilered just in case), weighing one's desire to do good for others while considering that your concept of what other people consider good and actually desire is not the same as your values. The artwork and character design, of course, is amazing. Ryoko Kui (who is a woman, btw) clearly put a lot of time and thought into how the characters and the entire world of people around them look, and again, I appreciate how unique it is compared to most manga/anime, particularly the female characters. The sheer variety of body types + facial features and conscious effort put into their differences is great. I'll just put there here with minimal commentary:     https://i.imgur.com/DLSEmbq.jpg (Linked for minor nudity - bare breasts)  The one weakness the art has is that the backgrounds are sometimes a bit sparse - just a blocky, 90 degree angle brick dungeon a lot of the time. Which isn't to say she isn't good at it - the dungeon designs in some arcs are breathtaking, as seen below:  My assumption is that she spends so much time on the characters and monsters (and the food porn, of course) that something has to be sacrificed to finish the manga on time without burning out, and that often happens to be the backgrounds. Which is fine. So yeah! That's why you should read Dungeon Meshi. It's not complete, by the way, but it's currently in what seems like its final arc. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:33 on May 6, 2022 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:All this Dungeon Meshi talk finally got me to read all of over the weekend, and holy poo poo, if you're sleeping on this like I was, you need to read it right away. It's incredible and it's quickly become one of my all-time favorite comics. And I've got a lot to say about it, and since this thread is pretty much the best outlet I have for this kind of thing, BUCKLE UP KIDDOS. well you might have convinced me to buy my first Manga
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god the whiplash from looking at Mookie's dogshit "style" vs actual talented work is rough
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Moola posted:well you might have convinced me to buy my first Manga Sorry/not sorry! Moola posted:god the whiplash from looking at Mookie's dogshit "style" vs actual talented work is rough Sorry/not sorry!
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