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im saint germain posted:I feel like a movie with a romance between a young boy and Adolf Hitler would be a lot worse than twee and awkward lol I knew someone was going to post this
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm talking more about its heightened sense of aesthetics, with every character being super quirked up yt pepo. Even the relationship between the main character and the Jewish girl is Andersonesque in the sense that it serves to be an instrument for the main character's coming of age. A lot of people seem to hate that without getting that's the joke. Yeah I think we’re sort of saying the same thing. imo Anderson protagonists tend to be social outcasts who are nevertheless “cool” in this sort of laconic godard-esque way due to their quirky affectations and personalities. The bit players around them are usually just objects for their own development. Otoh Jojo is just a huge loser who sucks at being a nazi despite loving hitler, and basically gets dragged kicking and screaming into not being a huge piece of poo poo.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:speaking of will Hyde get the Roseanne treatment
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Hot take: Jojo in Jojo Rabbit is 10 years old and his mom probably could have done a better job of raising a non-Nazi child if she was that into it Y'know how a lot of people like to talk about how if they lived in 1930s Germany they'd have been badass resistance fighters when at most they'd have held a sign saying "bring back Hindenburg" exactly once and spent the rest of their time plotting to vote for Goebbels instead next election? That's assuming they'd be full adults. The bravado is even more misplaced if you assume they were born under Hitler and were ten years old at the end of WW2
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loquacius posted:Hot take: Jojo in Jojo Rabbit is 10 years old and his mom probably could have done a better job of raising a non-Nazi child if she was that into it
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Atrocious Joe posted:Hyde died in the 1980s from something drug related being banished into the same memory hole as That 80s Show is the worst punishment this franchise can dish out
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War and Pieces posted:hey don't look at me I voted for Kerry in the middle school mock election i was mock disenfranchised 
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loquacius posted:Hot take: Jojo in Jojo Rabbit is 10 years old and his mom probably could have done a better job of raising a non-Nazi child if she was that into it Yeah iirc most of the civilian armed resistance didn’t kick off in occupied countries until the nazis started their policy of executing random civilians en masse in retaliation for partisan activities. Even non-collaborators capitulated to occupation until it became a matter of “I’m hosed either way, might as well go down fighting”
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If I were a bullied ten-year-old whose awesome antifa mom apparently forgot to tell me that fascism is bad my entire life, and I were having trouble making friends at mandatory Nazi camp because everyone correctly thinks I'm a pussy, I would simply depose the Nazi regime myself, because love trumps hate #resist
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It’s weird that people romanticize being part of the nazi resistance when movies like Rome open city, come and see and army of shadows exist
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That said, Jojo Rabbit was absolutely a Wes-Anderson-rear end movie, I'd be surprised if he wasn't cited as an influence really
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TheSlutPit posted:It’s weird that people romanticize being part of the nazi resistance when movies like Rome open city, come and see and army of shadows exist If I was the kid in Come and See I would have solo'd the entire Dirlewagner brigade and no one in the church would have died.
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Mantis42 posted:If I was the kid in Come and See I would have solo'd the entire Dirlewagner brigade and no one in the church would have died. [the partisans finally show up] "Uhh, good timing much?"
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My respect for Waititi just grew a little bit upon finding out he didn't write or direct Free Guy but was merely the worst character in it
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i like the part of jojo rabbit where it satirises fascism by showing a bunch of 10 year olds thinking its extremely cool and i wish taika had the power to stick to that for the whole movie instead of the first 15 minutes. they never shouldve left the summer camp
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Farm Frenzy posted:i like the part of jojo rabbit where it satirises fascism by showing a bunch of 10 year olds thinking its extremely cool and i wish taika had the power to stick to that for the whole movie instead of the first 15 minutes. they never shouldve left the summer camp sounds like Starship Troopers Babies which I would be happy to watch
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Jojo rabbit was a cringe film that only got a pass because taika was riding high off le epic thor ragnarok hype
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Horizon Burning posted:Jojo rabbit was a cringe film that only got a pass because taika was riding high off le epic thor ragnarok hype oh my god, you insulted a movie! quick, everyone, get ‘em!!
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I don’t think anyone with over 400 posts in the CD star wars thread is allowed to call anything cringe
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indigi posted:oh my god, you insulted a movie! quick, everyone, get ‘em!! you're such a whiny punk lol
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wil;derpeople and what we do in the shadows are both great. will never see thor but i guess people just went nuts that disney finally found an indie director whos marvel movies arent complete poo poo
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I think Scarlett Johansson's character somehow not instilling her son with any anti-fascist sentiment whatsoever is actually a plot hole in the movie really, it makes no sense If I were living in Nazi Germany, and let's assume that I'm goyische for the purposes of this hypothetical, maybe I wouldn't have been the one guy to bring down the entire regime myself, but, speaking as a parent, the LEAST I could loving do would be to raise a non-Nazi child who doesn't have wacky cartoon Hitler as an imaginary friend. Like, that's the bare loving minimum.
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Farm Frenzy posted:i like the part of jojo rabbit where it satirises fascism by showing a bunch of 10 year olds thinking its extremely cool and i wish taika had the power to stick to that for the whole movie instead of the first 15 minutes. they never shouldve left the summer camp I don't know if it needed to be entirely at the camp, but I definitely agree that the material centered on the child characters was stronger than the writing about the adults. One reason that I think the satire of Nazism in Jojo Rabbit is a little limp is because while it does a good job in conveying why Jojo and other children were taken in by Nazi ideology, which preyed on his childish romanticism and a desire to be part of a social group, it doesn't do as well with the adult characters. Like, okay, Jojo is 10 years old and has never even met a Jew before, I can kind of buy that he thinks they're literally storybook monsters with wings or whatever, but there are jokes in the movie where the adults seemingly believe some of the same things? What's notable about Nazi Germany is that before Hitler's rise to power, Jews were actually well integrated into middle class German life. And then they suddenly weren't. Most of the older characters would have lived through that process. At times the movie's comedy projects Jojo's childlike naivety onto the older Nazis as well, which is a misstep. And then in the third act, after Jojo's mother is murdered, shouldn't the movie drop the goofy tone after that? I'm not asking for it to become Schindler's List or anything, but for a movie that makes a big point about not turning away from evil (the way his mother forces him to look at the executed early on) and giving up on childish fantasies, it feels like a massive misstep to make the battle sequence a big cartoonish joke, down to the Sam Rockwell character wearing that costume. I was mildly positive on the film, there are aspects of it that I found charming, but it's definitely flawed.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lmao quote:There have indeed been a lot of hopes riding on Doctor Strange 2, whose predecessor grossed $109M in the PRC and where no movie featuring a Marvel character has been released since Avengers: Endgame. suddenly envious of chinese casuals who probably just figured disney stopped making these movies because where else is there for them to even go after endgame
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I also did not like Jojo rabbit. it was some lib poo poo
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in my cool version of jojo the plot is that the kids realise that their counsellors are all huge losers and training them to die in combat so they kill them and desert
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Mantis42 posted:I don't know if it needed to be entirely at the camp, but I definitely agree that the material centered on the child characters was stronger than the writing about the adults. One reason that I think the satire of Nazism in Jojo Rabbit is a little limp is because while it does a good job in conveying why Jojo and other children were taken in by Nazi ideology, which preyed on his childish romanticism and a desire to be part of a social group, it doesn't do as well with the adult characters. Like, okay, Jojo is 10 years old and has never even met a Jew before, I can kind of buy that he thinks they're literally storybook monsters with wings or whatever, but there are jokes in the movie where the adults seemingly believe some of the same things? What's notable about Nazi Germany is that before Hitler's rise to power, Jews were actually well integrated into middle class German life. And then they suddenly weren't. Most of the older characters would have lived through that process. At times the movie's comedy projects Jojo's childlike naivety onto the older Nazis as well, which is a misstep. iawtp, I was mostly just happy it wasn’t moonrise kingdom but with silly hitler, which it definitely seemed like it was going to be from the trailer.
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Some Guy TT posted:suddenly envious of chinese casuals who probably just figured disney stopped making these movies because where else is there for them to even go after endgame yeah they aren’t missing anything
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here's a wacky movie about a kid growing up in the antebellum south and saying the N word a lot. then he meets an escaped slave girl and wants to see her hung. he imagines he's friends with Jefferson Davis. then the north marches on him. the only sensible ending is him horribly horribly killed, overwhelmed with fear, by the advancing armies of sherman edit: the ending is the entire letter from sherman where he says his war is not a humanitarian mission, but a war to bring the south to heel Antonymous has issued a correction as of 02:00 on May 2, 2022 |
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idk if it's harder to imagine a young nazi seeing a jewish girl as a person or a young southern whitey racist seeing a black girl as a person. either way it's a disgusting film. zizek could probably convince me it's good somehow but goons aren't going to do it
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Antonymous posted:here's a wacky movie about a kid growing up in the antebellum south and saying the N word a lot. then he meets an escaped slave girl and wants to see her hung. he imagines he's friends with Jefferson Davis. then the north marches on him. You know I deleted it from my post but I was going to point out that "child character instilled with a hateful ideology and suffers internal turmoil when he experiences empathy for a minority character" was basically the plot of Huck Finn.
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Antonymous posted:here's a wacky movie about a kid growing up in the antebellum south and saying the N word a lot. then he meets an escaped slave girl and wants to see her hung. he imagines he's friends with Jefferson Davis. then the north marches on him. give this a few rewrites and you might have a working pitch for a huck finn reboot
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i never read huck finn, is it socialist?
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Mantis42 posted:You know I deleted it from my post but I was going to point out that "child character instilled with a hateful ideology and suffers internal turmoil when he experiences empathy for a minority character" was basically the plot of Huck Finn. gently caress beaten but eh i think my bigger issue with jojo rabbit is that it presents nazi propaganda as easily defeated by like just meeting a jew which is insanely naive to the point of being dangerous huck finn is funny in part because hucks struggle to make sense of white supremacy in the context of christian ethics leads him to some very ridiculous nonsense conclusions
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wait was that not the joke lol? you literally described the plot of huck finn almost exactly
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lmao lol but also, why am I blocked by dog person I've never seen before? They don't seem the type to block enmasse like K-hive.
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