|
Specifically it looks like they're Terra using Celes' palette.
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 05:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 20:31 |
|
|
Reminds me of Pokemon Red and Blue. When the old man shows you how to catch a Weedle, your character's picture changes and he is temporarily renamed OLD MAN. The player's name is stored in the wild Pokemon data register, because that data gets reset every time you enter an area where wild Pokemon exist. Except, of course, the east coast of Cinnabar Island, which is why the player's name influences which Pokemon appear from the Missingno. glitch. Ruby/Sapphire's catching tutorial only happens once, with an NPC's Zigzagoon using Tackle on a wild Ralts, and then throwing a Poke Ball. This tutorial uses the RNG, so it's possible to get an exceptionally weak Ralts that a strong critical hit will KO. The battle ends, and Wally talks about it as if he caught the Ralts instead of knocking it out.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 05:57
|
|
|
Booourns posted:And before they are moogles, they are blonde Terras with the name & & & & & & and Dirks in every equipment slot (you can see this by using a walk through walls cheat when you start a new game) What's their purpose? Or is it just uninitialized character slots?
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 07:56
|
|
|
Kyte posted:What's their purpose? Or is it just uninitialized character slots? Most likely it's the default sprite and palette set. Terra is sprite set 0, Celes/Edgar/Sabin are palette 0, ergo the null default is Blond Terra.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 08:10
|
|
|
Booourns posted:And before they are moogles, they are blonde Terras with the name & & & & & & and Dirks in every equipment slot (you can see this by using a walk through walls cheat when you start a new game) this is the kind of thing that would have scared the poo poo out of me if i stumbled into it as a kid 
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 08:46
|
|
|
That let's play is so great, because it does all kinds of crazy poo poo that sounds like those bullshit rumours kids tell each other.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 09:35
|
|
|
Chamale posted:Reminds me of Pokemon Red and Blue. When the old man shows you how to catch a Weedle, your character's picture changes and he is temporarily renamed OLD MAN. The player's name is stored in the wild Pokemon data register, because that data gets reset every time you enter an area where wild Pokemon exist. Except, of course, the east coast of Cinnabar Island, which is why the player's name influences which Pokemon appear from the Missingno. glitch. Specifically, this was a glitch introduced in the English localizations—a related glitch prevents encounters on certain types of grass tiles, because they're read as road (which doesn't have encounters) rather than grass (which does). In the original Japanese releases, that stretch of coast is properly marked as being water, so you get the water encounter set rather than the name placeholder or whatever the last "real" encounter set was. There's other glitches introduced in other RBY localizations, though I can't recall the details off the top of my head. I remember some of them being absolutely wild, though.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 11:16
|
|
|
I know there’s the Toxic/Leech Seed combo, and how to get Mew (not under the truck!).
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 11:35
|
|
|
Antitonic posted:I know there’s the Toxic/Leech Seed combo, and how to get Mew (not under the truck!).
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 13:16
|
|
|
they not glitches, but I like the gimmick of the youtube channel Softlock Picking, where the guy makes crazyier versions of "hahaha I trapped you in this place with one magikarp and no fly, surf, or escape rope/etc"
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 17:36
|
|
|
PhazonLink posted:they not glitches, but I like the gimmick of the youtube channel Softlock Picking, where the guy makes crazyier versions of "hahaha I trapped you in this place with one magikarp and no fly, surf, or escape rope/etc" The channel is Pikasprey (specifically Pikasprey Yellow, Pikasprey Blue is stream VODs or something), Softlock Picking is the series name. It does tend to be a treat though.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 19:50
|
|
|
Like Clockwork posted:Specifically, this was a glitch introduced in the English localizations—a related glitch prevents encounters on certain types of grass tiles, because they're read as road (which doesn't have encounters) rather than grass (which does). In the original Japanese releases, that stretch of coast is properly marked as being water, so you get the water encounter set rather than the name placeholder or whatever the last "real" encounter set was. In Red/Blue/Yellow, they forgot to put the appropriate terminator on the Bike Shop dialogue, so that if you start a conversation without a Bike Voucher, the dialogue enters "instant text" mode where you can clear text boxes much faster than normal. For some reason, it's allowed even in glitchless speedruns. There's a similar error in Gold/Silver, where looking at the English version of the Coin Case generates a text box that ends with a decimal point instead of a period. Under the right circumstances, this can be used to modify the RAM in arbitrary ways. There are some bugs that appears only in the Japanese version of R/B/Y. The Old Man has a different bug, where if you watch his demonstration while having a full party and PC, it displays the message "The Pokemon box is full! You can't use that item!" It gets stuck in an infinite loop of trying and failing to use the Poke Ball.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 20:15
|
|
|
Chamale posted:In Red/Blue/Yellow, they forgot to put the appropriate terminator on the Bike Shop dialogue, so that if you start a conversation without a Bike Voucher, the dialogue enters "instant text" mode where you can clear text boxes much faster than normal. For some reason, it's allowed even in glitchless speedruns. Basically because watching text boxes scroll is boring low skill poo poo
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2022 20:35
|
|
|
It is impossible to play pokemon red or blue glitchless. So you basically have to choose what glitches the community doesnt think are big deals
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 02:45
|
|
|
Chamale posted:Ruby/Sapphire's catching tutorial only happens once, with an NPC's Zigzagoon using Tackle on a wild Ralts, and then throwing a Poke Ball. This tutorial uses the RNG, so it's possible to get an exceptionally weak Ralts that a strong critical hit will KO. The battle ends, and Wally talks about it as if he caught the Ralts instead of knocking it out. It’s also possible for that Ralts to be shiny. Sadly the one Wally uses against you later(which is supposed to be the same one) is not shiny
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 02:58
|
|
|
My understanding is that any time a pokemon is displayed for any reason, a Personality Value is generated, which means that any pokemon can be shiny if it's PV is randomly generated (some pokemon are generated with fixed PVs, or will have the PV recalcuated if it would generate a shiny, usually event pokemon). This includes, from what I've read, the starters, the pokemon that Oak shows you during the "Welcome to the world of Pokemon" speech, and pokemon in cutscenes.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 03:18
|
|
|
mandatory lesbian posted:It is impossible to play pokemon red or blue glitchless. So you basically have to choose what glitches the community doesnt think are big deals There's a YouTube video out there, I forget by who, that goes into this a bit. Pretty interesting breakdown of how and why. I'll see if I can find it.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 03:37
|
|
|
I think some things people call 'glitches' are just design decisions that got changed. Like, a critical miss always fails to hit the enemy pokemon, unless you're using Swift (which always hits). Critical misses are just a normal-rear end mechanic in a lot of games, I wouldn't call it a 'glitch'.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 03:43
|
|
|
cage-free egghead posted:There's a YouTube video out there, I forget by who, that goes into this a bit. Pretty interesting breakdown of how and why. I'll see if I can find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yzTiND30U its this one I'm assuming.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 03:43
|
|
|
Tunicate posted:I think some things people call 'glitches' are just design decisions that got changed.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 05:17
|
|
|
Commander Keene posted:IIRC in Gen 1, even Swift has a chance to miss, due to the crit miss formula. Yeah. It's not a glitch because it makes no sense, it's a glitch because the devs said it wasn't intentional, iirc.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 05:29
|
|
|
Commander Keene posted:IIRC in Gen 1, even Swift has a chance to miss, due to the crit miss formula. nah swift doesn't miss in red/blue
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 05:42
|
|
|
Tunicate posted:nah swift doesn't miss in red/blue
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 06:05
|
|
|
Commander Keene posted:I have no idea what you're talking about, he was clearly there the whole time. It's not my fault you didn't look hard enough. This was the one I knew of: https://youtu.be/2QGILo0SZyI
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 06:30
|
|
|
Gen 1 Pokémon was incredibly broken. Though some of these aren’t glitches so much as just really dumb design choices
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 12:32
|
|
|
IShallRiseAgain posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yzTiND30U its this one I'm assuming. Yeah, this is a very good video that goes into it!
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 13:00
|
|
|
RatHat posted:Gen 1 Pokémon was incredibly broken. Though some of these aren’t glitches so much as just really dumb design choices I imagine a lot of the bugs came from early development tools being very janky, making bugs harder to catch, and the Game Boy's own limitations forcing janky solutions to save processor time/ram space/rom space. And of course good ol' "we weren't entirely sure what we were making so we changed things late into dev and then forgot to update related stuff" (like for example the very broken stat change calculations).
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 18:06
|
|
|
Kyte posted:I imagine a lot of the bugs came from early development tools being very janky, making bugs harder to catch, and the Game Boy's own limitations forcing janky solutions to save processor time/ram space/rom space. From what I understand, R/B/Y was basically the upper limits of what you could pull off with the base Game Boy. Like to the point where they weren't 100% sure they could pull off some of the stuff they did.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 18:39
|
|
|
There are some pretty interesting articles on pokemon dev based on remnants in the games This set of articles tires to determine what the missing pokemon from redbluegreen were based on patterns in the index numbers https://helixchamber.com/2018/09/11/internallist/ There are later blog posts after some betas leaked, the hit rate for their missing pokemon guesses is suprisingly good.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2022 18:44
|
|
|
Some of the things in that image are exceedingly nitpicky, like "oh, you have to save every time you change boxes". Yes, because the game is switching around your save data to swap in a new box. The save is there to ensure the save data is in a consistent state while the game is busy moving things around.Neito posted:From what I understand, R/B/Y was basically the upper limits of what you could pull off with the base Game Boy. Like to the point where they weren't 100% sure they could pull off some of the stuff they did. Gold/Silver were also on the GB and managed to do quite a bit more, so it's not that. It's more that RBY were huge, new projects. A lot of the situations in that image are uncommon or just plain esoteric. But when you have millions of people playing the game, and a lot of people specifically hunting glitches and bugs... Part of the problem is that even when they did identify bugs post-release, they couldn't really release updated revisions or patches. The games were intended to be played with others, and once you introduce new revisions and code patches, you can end up having the games desync in linked play. One of the reasons G/S/C are very particular about how you can link up with R/B/Y.
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 11:08
|
|
|
Zamujasa posted:Gold/Silver were also on the GB and managed to do quite a bit more, so it's not that. It's more that RBY were huge, new projects. Well G/S had the added benefit of Iwata's blessed code fingers
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 11:15
|
|
|
i was always under the impression that most of iwata's work on gen 2 was in providing better compression algos so they could cram more crap into the ROM
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 11:31
|
|
|
Here's a fun one I just learned about in Pokemon Yellow. The game has two different animations for wild Pokemon encounters - a long animation if the Pokemon is higher than your party's level, and a short animation if it isn't. When you nickname your rival, his name is stored in your party data, since that data is empty at the time. So if you give your rival a nickname that's at least 5 characters, as far as the game is concerned your party has a high-level Pokemon in it, and it will play the short encounter animation when you encounter Pikachu for the first time.
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 11:42
|
|
|
Modern code: oh lawd that memory is protected. Go straight to code jail for this illegal operation. Pokemon assembly: yeah, the name is in the encounter pointer. So what? The former is the right way given all the overhead on processing power and memory we have 30 years later but Pokemon is impressive in it's resilience to just complete garbage being passed around and it's beautiful.
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 14:23
|
|
|
"Oh is that supposed to be a name? Sorry i just see the number"
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 14:32
|
|
|
Zamujasa posted:i was always under the impression that most of iwata's work on gen 2 was in providing better compression algos so they could cram more crap into the ROM The opposite actually. It used more space (Gen2 roms are twice as big as Gen1 roms, they had plenty of space to play with) but it was faster to decompress, making load times faster. (The compression algo in Gen1 was pretty close to being as good as it could possibly be) https://www.reddit.com/r/TruePokemon/comments/hwluk9/while_it_is_true_that_iwata_did_write_a_new/
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 15:02
|
|
|
zedprime posted:Modern code: oh lawd that memory is protected. Go straight to code jail for this illegal operation. A lot of that "resilence" is precisely because it doesn't have robust error checking. You hand gen 1 garbage data that says the sprite is much larger than the acutal display area? sure, no problem! Here comes MISSINGNO!
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 15:30
|
|
|
Yeah, old console games are more like playing a DOS game vs. a Windows game. You're able to seize direct control over the hardware and do basically whatever you want with it...but it's on you to make sure that whatever you're doing makes sense, and generally game developers don't bother. When you have an intermediary between you and the hardware, that intermediary can say things like "hang on, you're trying to write to a read-only memory section, or you're trying to execute data as code without flagging it as executable, or you're trying to read unallocated memory, or etc etc etc, I'm gonna crash now." Which is a good thing! It just doesn't give us the same kind of glitches today that you used to be able to get on old hardware.
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 18:01
|
|
|
You could leave a gameboy on in a hot car overnight and come back to it in the morning and everything would be glitched as all hell because the RAM was corrupted. The game would still be playable (due to the lack of error checking) and if character data was corrupted you could even save your game and keep the corruption.
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 18:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 20:31 |
|
|
TooMuchAbstraction posted:Yeah, old console games are more like playing a DOS game vs. a Windows game. You're able to seize direct control over the hardware and do basically whatever you want with it...but it's on you to make sure that whatever you're doing makes sense, and generally game developers don't bother. When you have an intermediary between you and the hardware, that intermediary can say things like "hang on, you're trying to write to a read-only memory section, or you're trying to execute data as code without flagging it as executable, or you're trying to read unallocated memory, or etc etc etc, I'm gonna crash now." Which is a good thing! It just doesn't give us the same kind of glitches today that you used to be able to get on old hardware. i might've posted this here before and if so i apologize, but my absolute favorite example of this "resilience" and lack of sanity checking is how you can escape the bounds of a level and start literally walking through ram in super mario land 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPzuYWbnln4
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2022 18:40
|
|
