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Guavanaut posted:That or 'none of the above' and if that wins someone is selected by sortition from the constituency roll.
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# ? May 2, 2022 16:48 |
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If unvote wins, they just round up 650 people from the beach on a sunny day in Great Yarmouth. Over 100 mps are seagulls and just poo poo everywhere while demanding chip sandwiches. Still works out as better opposition, but they also refuse to reinstate Corbyn for some reason.
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# ? May 2, 2022 16:48 |
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Mebh posted:If unvote wins, they just round up 650 people from the beach on a sunny day in Great Yarmouth. Over 100 mps are seagulls and just poo poo everywhere while demanding chip sandwiches. i guess they didn't like being nationalised
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# ? May 2, 2022 16:50 |
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Famously a foe to seagulls for nationalizing them. E: ^
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# ? May 2, 2022 16:50 |
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OwlFancier posted:I still think you should be able to do an unvote.
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# ? May 2, 2022 17:41 |
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1521162753372823552?t=WMesDpUbh9x-r65ijN2OeQ
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# ? May 2, 2022 17:43 |
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Just finished the first chapter of that Kieth Starmer book and wow, I disliked him before, but a seething hatred is now forming. Hold your nose and vote Labour apologists can get in the loving sea.
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# ? May 2, 2022 18:26 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If the choice is between the polite beginnings of fascism or outright fascism, i'll choose the one that gets us a step back from outright fascism, and concentrate my efforts for real change elsewhere. The problem is that there's vanishingly little evidence to support this framing of the choice. The most nakedly fascist ideas to come from the current tory government are all reheated New Labour, and current Labour welcomed the person behind most of them back into the fold. I haven't read this Starmer book yet but it doesn't bode well that everyone who is reading it seems to be coming back to the thread saying "maybe Labour would be worse"
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# ? May 2, 2022 18:44 |
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The Tories seem to like porn, drugs and parties. Even if they're total bastards with no sense of maybe "when" those things might be OK. Labour right are also total bastards but seem to want to just crack down on all fun? A gross simplification, but honestly I think as they are right now they'd make it all so much worse trying to appeal to an imaginary NORMAN!! screaming voter.
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# ? May 2, 2022 18:52 |
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Sorry can someone link/name the starmer book again please thx.
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:07 |
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FWIW, I do agree that any message sent to parties from the ballot box will be interpreted as "we need to get more right wing!". However (and I'm talking about a general election here, not locals) there's a message that definitely does get sent and heard when a right wing labour party win, and that is to the people who vote for them: Labour will tell you they're going to help you and then make things worse. 25 years on and our political landscape is still shaped by the fact that New Labour killed the idea of hopeful politics stone-dead for many people while bolstering the argument of anyone who says that politicians are all as bad as each other.NotJustANumber99 posted:Sorry can someone link/name the starmer book again please thx. https://www.versobooks.com/books/3969-the-starmer-project
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:09 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Like I said before, it's like having a gun to your head and choosing poo poo in your face or poo poo in your mouth. Both are horrible. The choice shouldn't have gotten to that point. But the caveat is that if you don't choose, the people who actually like poo poo in their mouth are going to choose for you anyway. lib
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:14 |
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Pretty lovely one word response to all that.
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:41 |
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lol, lmao https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1521054918144106502?t=rtWFA_ZdqTBRsIcpVOWvjQ&s=19
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:45 |
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He can call me whatever he likes, I just feel like I'm going insane when I come into the marxism thread and see takes like 'the tories might actually be better than labour.'
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:46 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I honestly don't think they care, and if they do lose they'll blame it on Long Corbyn and the papers will go with it. Well yeah, nothing short of a truly catastrophic defeat is gonna shift Labour’s priorities so gently caress ‘em, it doesn’t matter, don’t be held hostage by Labour and vote who you want.
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:48 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:He can call me whatever he likes, I just feel like I'm going insane when I come into the marxism thread and see takes like 'the tories might actually be better than labour.' The analogy of the ratchet makes most sense IMO, you can vote for the ratchet arm to be pulled back or pulled forward, but either outcome is advancing the mechanism.
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# ? May 2, 2022 19:50 |
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OwlFancier posted:The analogy of the ratchet makes most sense IMO, you can vote for the ratchet arm to be pulled back or pulled forward, but either outcome is advancing the mechanism. And it leaves available the spanner in the works to continue the analogy.
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# ? May 2, 2022 20:05 |
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Mask chat Just seen a photo a friend posted of their flight from Bristol Airport to Gran Canaria and looks like every single person on the plane is wearing a mask.
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# ? May 2, 2022 21:05 |
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I really want to buy one of these to wear with my mask for shopping in asda and buying my morning coffee at McD's
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# ? May 2, 2022 21:18 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:He can call me whatever he likes, I just feel like I'm going insane when I come into the marxism thread and see takes like 'the tories might actually be better than labour.' Blame that on Labour going completely batshit, though, not us. They're the least internally democratic party in the UK, and that's let them be completely taken over by an insular, extremist cult who are openly embracing far-right authoritarianism and daring the Tories to keep up.
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# ? May 2, 2022 21:23 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Mask chat Aside from the US where a Trump appointee judge struck down the FAA over it, flight authorities are pretty thorough with their covid regulations still and the flight attendants will intervene and ask you to put your mask (back) on.
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# ? May 2, 2022 21:25 |
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Not an economist, but this thread looked interesting - stats on the many myriad ways the country is collapsing: https://twitter.com/technopopulist/status/1521122232097021953?t=C0G8xD_CwaV2nkL6IOwYLw&s=19
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# ? May 2, 2022 21:28 |
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optimistic calling it a situation for the conservative party, i mean i do sometimes think "surely if things get any worse then people will actually start not voting Tory" but i've been doing that on a regular basis for several years now
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# ? May 2, 2022 22:09 |
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The healthcare one hit home for sure. Spending an ungodly amount due to a 2+ year wait list. loving nuts.
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# ? May 2, 2022 22:13 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Not an economist, but this thread looked interesting - stats on the many myriad ways the country is collapsing: And pinning out hope that electoralism will help is like waiting for Godot at this point. Labour, as a class needs to tell Labour, as a party, to gently caress off and stay hosed off if they aren't going to help, as all too many of the last few years have shown.
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# ? May 2, 2022 22:26 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Mask chat Nae oval office using them on the bus anymore though, went to town today (got Misfits - Walk Among Us & a couple other things on vinyl...) and on the way in I was the only one still bothering. Well, that's not true, one person got on at the airport who was still wearing one. Still piss poor.
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# ? May 2, 2022 22:59 |
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forkboy84 posted:Nae oval office using them on the bus anymore though, went to town today (got Misfits - Walk Among Us & a couple other things on vinyl...) and on the way in I was the only one still bothering. Well, that's not true, one person got on at the airport who was still wearing one. Still piss poor. Die die die my darling (not on that album). Not listened to them for literally decades. Now you've done it, I blame you entirely Forkboy. I'm on Broken Bones FOAD now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89QvaK9Zffc I'm back in my 20s now. Suicidal Tendencies - I saw your mommy (hidden as might be triggerous). Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:15 on May 2, 2022 |
# ? May 2, 2022 23:05 |
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I love that band you spoilered. Skate Or Die is one of those tracks that as a teen was so cool I almost wanted to start skateboarding despite being a wimp and hideously uncoordinated
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# ? May 2, 2022 23:52 |
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Same. But Avril Lavigne.
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# ? May 3, 2022 00:09 |
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He wanted porn, she baled hay, what more can I say.
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# ? May 3, 2022 00:15 |
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OwlFancier posted:I still think you should be able to do an unvote. drat, I wouldn't have to deliberate and try to dig up what my Greens want to do and whether my Lib Dems are worth the time and if my Labour is the bad kind of I could just veto Tory votes
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# ? May 3, 2022 00:16 |
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Just looked up who is standing in my county elections: 1 Independent (who looks like a typical tory but maybe I'm doing him an injustice), 1 labour (I know her, but I'm not a big fan of hers as a person, but I think she is reasonable politically), 1 tory, 1 green. I'll probably vote for labour because it is local and she will probably do a decent county council job.
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# ? May 3, 2022 00:23 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Just looked up who is standing in my county elections: Thankfully, no elections here, so no need for me agonise over it.
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# ? May 3, 2022 01:23 |
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is the starmer book called 'the starmer project'
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# ? May 3, 2022 08:27 |
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roomtone posted:is the starmer book called 'the starmer project' Yeah https://www.versobooks.com/books/3969-the-starmer-project
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# ? May 3, 2022 08:52 |
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Is it well sourced, or just a bunch of nudge-wink stuff?
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# ? May 3, 2022 08:54 |
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Borrovan posted:Is it well sourced, or just a bunch of nudge-wink stuff? Mine arrived this morning. The index is preceded by 25 pages of citations and notes, which bodes well.
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# ? May 3, 2022 10:14 |
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Yeah I've not seen any comments on it being bullshit yet.
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# ? May 3, 2022 10:30 |
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Yeah, it's got plenty of solid sourcing.
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