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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Everything in your offer was pointless if your offer wasn't selected.

Against a cash offer, it doesn't really matter whether you have escalation or just submit whatever your max offer is; buyers like the shorter timeline and reduced risk of a cash offer. It sucks but it's true.

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Zerot
Aug 18, 2006
We were supposed to see a house Thursday, but there was some kind of issue from the seller's side and it was moved to today at 11 am. The seller's agent contacted our realtor yesterday to see if we could see it at 9 am instead. Sure, no problem.

Our realtor just happened to check something on her end late last night and noticed that our showing got moved to 9 am on Monday by the seller with no notice. We cannot make that since, you know, jobs, so hopefully we can find a time that works for them.

It's a family who is selling the house, so I get that kids and animals are sometimes challenging to work around. It's just a little annoying and we haven't run into this kind of thing before.

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.
Tapping out of buying a house this year. Will just get a rental in the neighborhood we want to live in. The math just doesn’t make sense anymore with rising rates and prices continuing to rise in my target neighborhood.

Probably means my long term plan should be to get out of DC and into a cheaper area.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

laxbro posted:

Tapping out of buying a house this year. Will just get a rental in the neighborhood we want to live in. The math just doesn’t make sense anymore with rising rates and prices continuing to rise in my target neighborhood.

Probably means my long term plan should be to get out of DC and into a cheaper area.

But you can just keep moving west out past manassas and deal with the hell of 66!

We rent in Springfield, but our friends bought in Alexandria last year. They had an insane time.

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

Pollyanna posted:

- Oil tank heating, looked hard to service and undermaintained


i can't speak to the other stuff but if you do go for a house with oil heating MA law allows for a free inspection from whichever oil service company you want, when i did it they inspected the tank, boiler, gauges, and greased everything back up. once you have your inspection you can get a rider on your homeowner insurance for oil tank spills - it's cheap to get and if your tank does go (god help you) it can be 125K+ for environmental clean-up without coverage. would also suggest having a plumber unaffiliated with your oil company do an inspection of the piping/boiler as well to get a less biased opinion on the life of your boiler and fix any less obvious issues with the plumbing supporting it (e.g. wrong psi, bad expansion tank, etc)

home owning rules

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

Zerot posted:

We were supposed to see a house Thursday, but there was some kind of issue from the seller's side and it was moved to today at 11 am. The seller's agent contacted our realtor yesterday to see if we could see it at 9 am instead. Sure, no problem.

Our realtor just happened to check something on her end late last night and noticed that our showing got moved to 9 am on Monday by the seller with no notice. We cannot make that since, you know, jobs, so hopefully we can find a time that works for them.

It's a family who is selling the house, so I get that kids and animals are sometimes challenging to work around. It's just a little annoying and we haven't run into this kind of thing before.

This kind of stuff is frustrating.

The place we bought they didn't respond to our offer and we had to resubmit it. The realtor was mad at ours for the 24 hours we have them to respond as it was Father's Day weekend and they were "out of town"... Did they not expect offers once they listed? It was so dumb.

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


So these articles a year ago were for $400k but here you go here is how much $525k750k gets you in Phoenix.

https://www.azfamily.com/2022/04/30/5-family-friendly-homes-around-phoenix-under-525000/

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

QuarkJets posted:

Everything in your offer was pointless if your offer wasn't selected.

Against a cash offer, it doesn't really matter whether you have escalation or just submit whatever your max offer is; buyers like the shorter timeline and reduced risk of a cash offer. It sucks but it's true.
we finally beat a cash offer by waiving appraisal and inspection contingencies :shepspends:

luckily the appraisal came in low but manageable and the inspection was pretty positive

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

bawfuls posted:

we finally beat a cash offer by waiving appraisal and inspection contingencies :shepspends:

luckily the appraisal came in low but manageable and the inspection was pretty positive

Congrats on having your earnest money accepted!!!


EDI: I can't believe mortgage rates at the moment. I'm helping a buddy navigate the process in the greater Seattle metro and it was shocking to see 5.25% at the LOW low end, and ~5.5 to 5.75% much more common.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Oh know what else sucks about buying in NC?

"Due Diligence"... Which is a non-refundable earnest money.

And it's basically been weaponized by people with large amounts of cash. "Hey man I'll pay $75k due diligence... So if I walk away... That money is yours!"

So non Richie's essentially have to try to compete... Only it's not money we can walk away from. So whatever house you decide to put an offer in you better be prepared to buy no matter what the inspection says. Basically making it pointless.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

My house hit MLS this morning and I have 10 showings scheduled already for today and tomorrow. Help.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

saintonan posted:

My house hit MLS this morning and I have 10 showings scheduled already for today and tomorrow. Help.

Your realtor didn't put you up some place for the weekend so you could relax? Weak.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

BonoMan posted:

Oh know what else sucks about buying in NC?

"Due Diligence"... Which is a non-refundable earnest money.

And it's basically been weaponized by people with large amounts of cash. "Hey man I'll pay $75k due diligence... So if I walk away... That money is yours!"

So non Richie's essentially have to try to compete... Only it's not money we can walk away from. So whatever house you decide to put an offer in you better be prepared to buy no matter what the inspection says. Basically making it pointless.

Is this any different than just submitting an offer with no contingencies and a fat amount of earnest money? I think a bunch of people itt have done that.

I know one couple who offered like $80k earnest money and offered to release it immediately, as in that amount was released from escrow to the seller weeks before the closing date. Absolutely bonkers move imo

gariig
Dec 31, 2004
Beaten into submission by my fiance
Pillbug

QuarkJets posted:

I know one couple who offered like $80k earnest money and offered to release it immediately, as in that amount was released from escrow to the seller weeks before the closing date. Absolutely bonkers move imo

This is the norm for Seattle. Didn't offer quite 80k but close enough. Actually helped us get the place because offer 2 was substantially less earnest money with a week to catch up to what we put down as earnest money. Usually all contingencies are waived too. Crazy out there.

gariig fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 30, 2022

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

spwrozek posted:

Your realtor didn't put you up some place for the weekend so you could relax? Weak.

Woah what’s this now? We went away for the weekend on our own dime.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

QuarkJets posted:

Is this any different than just submitting an offer with no contingencies and a fat amount of earnest money? I think a bunch of people itt have done that.

I know one couple who offered like $80k earnest money and offered to release it immediately, as in that amount was released from escrow to the seller weeks before the closing date. Absolutely bonkers move imo

The technical difference is that Due Diligence is non-refundable at all whereas, technically there’s a (due diligence) period for earnest money where the earnest money could be refunded if the buyer backs out. Due Diligence is paid to the seller *basically no matter what*.

But yeah if you’re going to drop $80K in earnest money and release it immediately you’re basically doing the same thing. Just agreeing it’s going to be paid no matter what. But unfortunately Due Diligence, in NC, is a pretty standard thing and not an exception to the rule.

awkward_turtle
Oct 26, 2007
swimmer in a goon sea

BonoMan posted:

The technical difference is that Due Diligence is non-refundable at all whereas, technically there’s a (due diligence) period for earnest money where the earnest money could be refunded if the buyer backs out. Due Diligence is paid to the seller *basically no matter what*.

But yeah if you’re going to drop $80K in earnest money and release it immediately you’re basically doing the same thing. Just agreeing it’s going to be paid no matter what. But unfortunately Due Diligence, in NC, is a pretty standard thing and not an exception to the rule.

Yep, and my realtors been pushing me to put down fairly large amounts. I put 5%/5% on my last offer and she seemed to be suggesting I should've gone more. Traditionally it was like, a few hundred dollars to pay seller for taking it off the market, it's getting totally absurd. I'm looking at it as basically the same as the "I won't bother you about fixes below x amount" clauses people in the thread are talking about.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Went to a couple open houses in Livermore CA today and all of them, even the one that was listed Thursday, are taking offers on Tuesday. Up until now, they've generally been listed for 14 days and then they pick an offer... Wonder if this is about timing things for the people who got rates locked just before they went up?

spf3million
Sep 27, 2007

hit 'em with the rhythm

Pham Nuwen posted:

Went to a couple open houses in Livermore CA today and all of them, even the one that was listed Thursday, are taking offers on Tuesday. Up until now, they've generally been listed for 14 days and then they pick an offer... Wonder if this is about timing things for the people who got rates locked just before they went up?
That Thursday to Tuesday cadence is exactly what we experienced in Concord, CA in from January through August of last year.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

BonoMan posted:

Oh know what else sucks about buying in NC?

"Due Diligence"... Which is a non-refundable earnest money.

And it's basically been weaponized by people with large amounts of cash. "Hey man I'll pay $75k due diligence... So if I walk away... That money is yours!"

So non Richie's essentially have to try to compete... Only it's not money we can walk away from. So whatever house you decide to put an offer in you better be prepared to buy no matter what the inspection says. Basically making it pointless.
Moved from Illinois to NC in 2020, and yeah, when our realtor was explaining due diligence to me, my head just about exploded. I know it sounds quaint compared to the current market, but at the time it was massively riskier than I was used to.

DTaeKim
Aug 16, 2009

Oh God, I'm about to offer on a house 20K over listing in Chicagoland. We got blown out in our first attempt and after running some rough numbers, I felt most comfortable where numbers might be tight but feasible.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

After less than 48 hours on the market, my house is going under contract for about $20k over list assuming the appraiser comes in at that level. There are a couple of neighborhood comps at the $/sqft I need, but not a lot. I have a feeling I'm unreasonably nervous, but nervous all the same.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Was out of the house for 5 days straight, living out of a suitcase while my house was available for showings. Weeks and months of prep, home improvement projects, packing, etc. All paid off!

We started at $20k over our tax assessment price at $270k. We thought $290-$300k was a reasonable expectation in this market. Instead we got:
$341k
No inspection
100% appraisal gap
$20k earnest money

How anyone is buying a first time house right now is beyond me. Our house is nice, we completely updated the electricity, plumbing, insulation, etc. Its on a big plot, but it still needed work. I wouldnt consider it a turn key do nothing house.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I looked at a place this weekend that didn’t have insulation, needed every (single pane, weighted, custom-sized) window replaced, had a fieldstone foundation that will need regular repointing for the rest of eternity, and still had horsehair plaster walls and ceilings. It’s probably going to go for 725-750k, and I wish whoever gets it luck because it’s more work than I’m prepared to handle.

Houses are expensive and now is an especially tough time to buy.

Bwee
Jul 1, 2005
Did you take your home buyer course

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Shoutout to our Zillow Zestimate, officially up $200k from where we closed in December, and the only think that's positive in our portfolio. :toot:

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Was out of the house for 5 days straight, living out of a suitcase while my house was available for showings. Weeks and months of prep, home improvement projects, packing, etc. All paid off!

We started at $20k over our tax assessment price at $270k. We thought $290-$300k was a reasonable expectation in this market. Instead we got:
$341k
No inspection
100% appraisal gap
$20k earnest money

How anyone is buying a first time house right now is beyond me. Our house is nice, we completely updated the electricity, plumbing, insulation, etc. Its on a big plot, but it still needed work. I wouldnt consider it a turn key do nothing house.

IIRC this is in Minneapolis? I actually didn't know you could get a house that cheap there right now. Plenty of high paying jobs in the area. If you have two workers, no kids, $341k for a first house is not much at all.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

I just put money in the Magic Fingers!
Not sure if I should ask in this or the regular home owner's thread but I'll start here. My husband and I are having a difference of opinion what to do to our current house to get it ready to sell. I'd rather focus on small, easy changes that would make the house more put together like paint and changing out drop ceiling tiles that are missing or stained. He wants to focus on larger stuff like replacing the carpet or adding a deck. We can afford both and we have time but is it worth spending on bigger projects to get the house to sell? Like how do you decide where we should draw the line at upgrades?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Gravitee posted:

Not sure if I should ask in this or the regular home owner's thread but I'll start here. My husband and I are having a difference of opinion what to do to our current house to get it ready to sell. I'd rather focus on small, easy changes that would make the house more put together like paint and changing out drop ceiling tiles that are missing or stained. He wants to focus on larger stuff like replacing the carpet or adding a deck. We can afford both and we have time but is it worth spending on bigger projects to get the house to sell? Like how do you decide where we should draw the line at upgrades?

Have you paid attention to the market in general? If your market is anything at all like the average market these days you literally don't have to do anything at all. Just not being actually on fire during a showing is considered a bonus.

Your real estate agent should be the person you go to for local advice on very local market things like this. If they don't have a good answer with supporting examples fire them and get a better one. They need to do something to earn their outsized commission.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Gravitee posted:

Not sure if I should ask in this or the regular home owner's thread but I'll start here. My husband and I are having a difference of opinion what to do to our current house to get it ready to sell. I'd rather focus on small, easy changes that would make the house more put together like paint and changing out drop ceiling tiles that are missing or stained. He wants to focus on larger stuff like replacing the carpet or adding a deck. We can afford both and we have time but is it worth spending on bigger projects to get the house to sell? Like how do you decide where we should draw the line at upgrades?

Don't upgrade anything. You're right in a regular market, though, big upgrades are a bad idea to do for selling because you have to be exactly right in what the prospective buyer wants, and that's unlikely at best.

But yeah don't upgrade anything right now.

Thom Yorke raps
Nov 2, 2004


We missed out on our dream house... we had the second best offer, but someone came in with a mostly cash offer, waive all contingencies, significantly over our offer.

Rough to lose it, but I wouldn't have wanted to compete against that offer anyway. Giving myself a day to mourn, and then trying again

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Motronic posted:

Your real estate agent should be the person you go to for local advice on very local market things like this. If they don't have a good answer with supporting examples fire them and get a better one. They need to do something to earn their outsized commission.
Yip. We told our realtor "As of now, it's not our house, it's the buyer's." Then they oversaw the painting, reflooring, and so on, and picked the colors. The woman in the firm spends a lot of time visiting houses for sale and noting which ones get the most visitors and bids, then steals ideas, so the colors were what's currently hot. She could give you an essay on which of 95 greys is currently doing the best business.

Because we let them do the driving, we both made out like bandits. However, we'd lived in the house for 20 years without doing any updates, so the house needed painting, floor refinishing, the works. In this market, if the house is in clean condition, that may be all you need. Ask the realtor.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Gravitee posted:

Not sure if I should ask in this or the regular home owner's thread but I'll start here. My husband and I are having a difference of opinion what to do to our current house to get it ready to sell. I'd rather focus on small, easy changes that would make the house more put together like paint and changing out drop ceiling tiles that are missing or stained. He wants to focus on larger stuff like replacing the carpet or adding a deck. We can afford both and we have time but is it worth spending on bigger projects to get the house to sell? Like how do you decide where we should draw the line at upgrades?

Do not upgrade anything on house you are going to sell. Feel free to fix material defects, and small cosmetic issues like touch up paint or small drywall holes. If the oven doesn't work, fix it. Do not replace carpet, add a deck or anything else like that.

spf3million
Sep 27, 2007

hit 'em with the rhythm
I think shelling out for a fresh exterior paint job might be worth it. That and some landscaping.

NyetscapeNavigator
Sep 22, 2003

spwrozek posted:

IIRC this is in Minneapolis? I actually didn't know you could get a house that cheap there right now. Plenty of high paying jobs in the area. If you have two workers, no kids, $341k for a first house is not much at all.

Minneapolis is really weird, at least in some spots. I paid $238K for my place in 2020. Right by Lake Nokomis, but also right by crosstown and the airport. Obviously all the red hot realestate is in the exurbs.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

spwrozek posted:

IIRC this is in Minneapolis? I actually didn't know you could get a house that cheap there right now. Plenty of high paying jobs in the area. If you have two workers, no kids, $341k for a first house is not much at all.

Yeah Minneapolis.


Gravitee posted:

Like how do you decide where we should draw the line at upgrades?

If there are any structural fixes that need done do those. Otherwise leave them alone, in my opinion at least. My realtors have said that they prefer houses that are "clean slates" so to speak. Structurally sound, mechanicals all in good order, leaves aesthetic decisions up to new owners.

Thom Yorke raps posted:

We missed out on our dream house... we had the second best offer, but someone came in with a mostly cash offer, waive all contingencies, significantly over our offer.

Rough to lose it, but I wouldn't have wanted to compete against that offer anyway. Giving myself a day to mourn, and then trying again

Just as another data point for my market in the Twin Cities.

We received 8 offers. 6 of them waived inspection, all had $20k plus appraisal gaps, all went over at least 15%.

House we bought had 12 offers, 8 of which waived inspection and we had to go 20% over and cover a $10k appraisal gap.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

BonoMan posted:

Oh know what else sucks about buying in NC?

"Due Diligence"... Which is a non-refundable earnest money.

And it's basically been weaponized by people with large amounts of cash. "Hey man I'll pay $75k due diligence... So if I walk away... That money is yours!"

So non Richie's essentially have to try to compete... Only it's not money we can walk away from. So whatever house you decide to put an offer in you better be prepared to buy no matter what the inspection says. Basically making it pointless.

lmao my DD was $500 back in 2016. And this was for a place in a popular Triangle suburb where even then homes were disappearing within 2-3 days of listing and occasionally going under contract sight unseen.

Someone in my office just moved to the area and is looking... expecting a kid, of course, and she said her realtor told her that DD is easily $20k right now.

I've read news stories of DD being $100k in some instances in the past ~year. poo poo's crazy, but I guess that's what you get for being in one of the fastest growing areas in the country.

Slugworth posted:

Moved from Illinois to NC in 2020, and yeah, when our realtor was explaining due diligence to me, my head just about exploded. I know it sounds quaint compared to the current market, but at the time it was massively riskier than I was used to.

I think the best way to think of it is as paying for an exclusive inspection period that you can walk away from without losing gobs of money. That's meant to be your time to perform inspections and whatnot and uncover issues worth walking away from without losing the entire earnest deposit.

It's kind of nice, conceptually, except that right now it's being used as a negotiating lever for sellers since once the seller goes under contract it's 100% non-refundable.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Arsenic Lupin posted:

Because we let them do the driving, we both made out like bandits. However, we'd lived in the house for 20 years without doing any updates, so the house needed painting, floor refinishing, the works.

This was the condition my old house was in. Even listed it as such and it still sold quick last summer. If nothing else, consider that anything you can't do with tools and materials immediately available to you will take much longer than you expect, and I'd rather that timeline be the buyer's problem, not mine.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

DaveSauce posted:

lmao my DD was $500 back in 2016. And this was for a place in a popular Triangle suburb where even then homes were disappearing within 2-3 days of listing and occasionally going under contract sight unseen.

Someone in my office just moved to the area and is looking... expecting a kid, of course, and she said her realtor told her that DD is easily $20k right now.

I've read news stories of DD being $100k in some instances in the past ~year. poo poo's crazy, but I guess that's what you get for being in one of the fastest growing areas in the country.

I think the best way to think of it is as paying for an exclusive inspection period that you can walk away from without losing gobs of money. That's meant to be your time to perform inspections and whatnot and uncover issues worth walking away from without losing the entire earnest deposit.

It's kind of nice, conceptually, except that right now it's being used as a negotiating lever for sellers since once the seller goes under contract it's 100% non-refundable.

$20-$100k seems a lot like gobs of lost money.

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

spwrozek posted:

$20-$100k seems a lot like gobs of lost money.

I think he means the practice as it stood before this huge boom. My coworker also talked about just putting in $500 back before this nonsense started.

Now it's not gobs of lost money because *you ain't losin' poo poo you're gonna buy this fuckin' house no matter WHAT the appraisal or inspections says!*

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