Cpt_Obvious posted:

the signatures are gathered by a man with a gun

Wafflecopper posted:

they are collected by a man without a fun actually

Nessus posted:

Yeah, that's way too long. A quick note on some non-obvious things and perhaps an obscure suggestion or two would have been plenty IMO.

bop bop perano posted:

Holy gently caress they made an official faln track suit, I really want it but shouldn’t

239€ here https://atelier.zaumstudio.com/products/faln

Idiot Doom Spiral posted:

"there are no wrong builds or other video gamey stuff" is all I usually say and then just kind of let people explore. I don't think day 2 hardstuck is much of a thing anymore, right?

Gaius Marius posted:

Yeah, also she probably going to hate it given you crowbarred her into playing it, and she seems to have zero interest in playing games.

bop bop perano posted:

Holy gently caress they made an official faln track suit, I really want it but shouldn’t

239€ here https://atelier.zaumstudio.com/products/faln

Gaius Marius posted:

I didn't say that he was responsible. I said he didn't give a poo poo that they died.

oscarthewilde posted:

A pertinent question and answer, but one that might be a bit too cynical. When you look at Derrida's political and legal theory, and his interpretation of Schmitt, he questions the very foundations of the Western constitutional order. Instead of binding law and politics to some abstract conception of justice, he uncovers a much more contingent, violent foundational element within the not-so-moral law. Yet, if law is not so strictly bound by morality and justice, that does not make morality and justice meaningless concepts. Justice is moved from something entirely within law, to a useful measure outside of law, realisable in extra- and intraparliamentary practice and theory: justice becomes possible through deconstructing the law. Legitimacy, in that sense, becomes something much more contingent and conditional than assumed in legal philosophy (is it any wonder that the society described as legitimate by legal philosophers always resembles the theory behind Western liberal democracy. The fact that political practice so often fails to resemble political theory, and the rule of law might be much less strong than expected in those 'necessarily good' Western democracies, is ignored) but is still useful. A legitimate authority becomes a possibility worth fighting for, instead of a meaningless factum.

Pierson posted:

What stats/path is it worth going down if I want to focus on the Pale, general weirdness, and whatever else surrounds it? My first playthrough was a mess and I managed to miss like 80% of the content, my current ons is a moralist/ultralib playthrough with a heavy focus on Int/Psy because I hear you get a lot of good Kim content that way.

EorayMel posted:

Countblanc posted:

Heard DE described as "apolitical" because it makes jokes about both the left and right. Folks, you hate to see it.

Pattonesque posted:

lmao could you imagine thinking the jokes about communism (this is impossible and its adherents are fractious but it's worth pursuing because it dreams of a better world) are equivalent to the jokes about fascism (people believe in this because women won't sleep with them and they're sad about that)

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The game shits so hard on fascism that even saying the fascist lines causes you moral damage.

bop bop perano posted:

Holy gently caress they made an official faln track suit, I really want it but shouldn’t

239€ here https://atelier.zaumstudio.com/products/faln

Megazver posted:

https://twitter.com/kerebrin/status/1520431057685913600

Sardonik posted:

I was watching the Joseph Anderson stream linked upthread and hoo boy is he a clueless centrist who can't pronounce things. But that's ok, still an interesting perspective.

Somebody in his chat even mentioned how it was 'only the political people' who were frustrating in the game, compared to the apolitical person he was talking to now.

He was talking to Joyce.

Megazver posted:

https://twitter.com/kerebrin/status/1520431057685913600

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

Cannot imagine how obnoxious getting into this game now must be if you make the mistake of telling anyone

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After a great deal of coaxing I managed to get my sister-in-law, who I really like but who has never played any video game aside from Tetris, to play this game. I gave her some information before she starts as follows
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A few tips that I strongly recommend once you start playing disco elysium:

-when you start, you’re given a choice of how many points you want to put into your basic stats, out of four. The fundamentals of your personality. Since you don’t have a lot of experience I recommend 4/4/2/2. Smart and empathetic, but maybe not the strongest or most dexterous. There are benefits to choosing otherwise, but this is the most straightforward and easiest of the character setups.
-Don’t be afraid to fail a skill check. There is almost always another way around if you fail, and the vast majority of the time you will be able to retry later. sometimes “succeeding” a check gives an objectively worse outcome than failing. And some of the best and most memorable moments of this game only come about by failing, rather than succeeding. Giving a cold girl a hat and demanding a bite of a sandwich are the best examples of this.
-Don’t be afraid to say the nuttiest poo poo possible. The people of martinase are shockingly adept at rolling with your insanity and sometimes you might even be able to get extra information or resources from someone that they wouldn’t otherwise give by saying or doing something crazy enough that it that throws them off balance. The only person who won’t put up with you acting like a complete nut job is in the last hour or so of the game.
-Time *only* progresses as you speak to people or examine objects you’re holding. Don’t be afraid to wander around and take as much time as you like. Even if someone is pointing a gun at your head and threatening to pull the trigger you can talk, examine your environment and think as much as you like. Actual, serious events occur as you make them. This is *especially* important in the game’s most violent climax.
-Kim will defend and support you almost no matter what. He is your keystone. Do not try to anger or disappoint him. Unless your want to because it’ll be funny (it can be very funny).
-“Thoughts” are this game’s version of specialized skills. You receive the initial thought through dialogue or actions, and you assign it to a thought slot. (You can increase your number of slots with each level if you like) and with a certain amount of time it will manifest. Maybe it will give benefits, maybe it will give you unique choices or opportunities you wouldn’t have otherwise, or maybe it will give nothing but flaws. There’s no way of knowing until you assign it to a slot and work until you complete it. I strongly recommend against going online and looking at a guide because the uncertainty and almost randomness are what makes this game so incredible. If you assign a thought and complete it, and then remove it, it’s gone permanently and you cannot get it back on that playthrough.
-you have two sets of stats that will take damage or heal as you work, Health and morale. Health’s maximum increases by boosting your endurance stat, morale by increasing your volition stat. Both are important, and both will kill you if you let them fall to zero. But there are drugs that will let you recharge them, even if you take a hit, physical or emotional, that would have killed you. Money is scarce in the game but if you don’t have something else you definitely want to but it never hurts to stock up on those healing items. Having 2-4 of both on hand will be a life saver. Even in the most difficult parts of the game. Either way, you definitely will not need more than 5/10 in either skill, unless you want to make nothing but bad decisions and suffer the consequences which, again, you can do if you’re so inclined.
-The man you’re playing the game as is hosed Up. And if you choose certain dialogue options your own brain (and the game) will force you to do or say reprehensible things. Do not confuse depiction with endorsement. Just because your character is an emotionally traumatized substance abuser does not mean the people who wrote and developed the game agree with what he does or says. Horrible misogyny, racism, sexism, and outright facism will come about if you choose certain dialogue choices. You can choose to make The Detective a better man than he once was, or hell, lean into it even further if you think it’ll be funny or entertaining. Either way it is possible to complete the game as a sad man who is trying to be better than the person he was before or as a guy who is certain that the apocalypse is coming and is it’s harbinger, or as a big shot big dick charismatic wonder, or as the most meth smoking racist piece of poo poo you can imagine. Your choice.
-Cuno might seem like an obnoxious little poo poo, but he has depths to him, and it is significant that you explore those depths. Noti to solving the murder, but as a character exploration.

A list of things I recommend you do, without spoilers. These will make sense as you reach them:
-Point the gun at Cunoesse, but do not fire. It will tell you drat near everything you need to know about her.
-Kim has a secret that will influence how you view him, but the only way to see or understand that secret is if you talk extensively with a handsome man on a balcony, complete the thought he gives you, and then speak with Kim. Or, find a working pinball machine, but that’s another secret.
-the second half of the entire game area opens up on day three, new areas, new characters, and more information on the case. On day 4 you can travel to a long abandoned computer factory and meet a man enjoying the view with his son. Speak to him exhaustively and you will unlock a thought called the *sigh* “Wompty-Dompty Don centre.” It is easily one of the best thoughts in the game and makes drat near everything easier.
-at one point you will find a pay phone, keep dialing random numbers until IT happens.
-you can get the boots, but not with Kim around.
-very late in the game you will visit an island. Be sure to take a nap there, and then head to the eastern sea. You will see one of the best and most brutal bits of writing I have ever seen in video games.
-if you keep wearing the hideous necktie it will eventually start talking to you. Articles of clothing beginning to speak to you is perfectly normal and has a big payoff in the climax.
-when you get The Photo of The Corpse, you can ask the Scab Leader about his opinion on it. The result is very, very uncomfortable, but also tells you everything you need to know about the Scab Leader.
-moving through The Smoker On The Balcony’s dialogue line will eventually let you meet a representative of the moralintern. Once you finish speaking to that representative you will understand why I dislike liberalism.

Did I do a good job preparing her for The Experience?