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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:why is "the family" critical for the reproduction of capitalism Heterosexuality is revisionism 1/
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May 4, 2022 03:07
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:why is "the family" critical for the reproduction of capitalism lol Bud you can start by reading this https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm
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May 4, 2022 03:09
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:why is "the family" critical for the reproduction of capitalism grow a pool of lumpen labor at the highest rate possible
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May 4, 2022 03:11
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Spergin Morlock posted:grow a pool of lumpen labor at the highest rate possible that doesn't require a family at all
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May 4, 2022 03:15
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MLSM posted:lol Ok, now you can try reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_Donald_Duck
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May 4, 2022 03:56
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:that doesn't require a family at all And yet Capitalism hasn't innovated a more profitable alternative. Bringing new life into the world includes all sorts of icky uncertainty, Capitalist structures prefer to socialize that kind of risk and only step in when someone can actually be employed. Obviously other social structures are possible for reproduction in general, but the family unit seems to create the kind of laborers wanted, ones who feel social responsibility towards fewer other people and who will thus more readily be individualists.
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May 4, 2022 04:01
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sleeptalker posted:And yet Capitalism hasn't innovated a more profitable alternative. Excuse me? How does having a family cause someone to feel responsibility for "fewer other people"?
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May 4, 2022 04:09
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:Excuse me? How does having a family cause someone to feel responsibility for "fewer other people"? Compared to other historical structures, generally fewer people are involved in the raising of a child.
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May 4, 2022 04:18
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The family model has children socialised to regularly experience solidarity only with their nuclear group as opposed to say the communal creche model of the longhouses of precontact North America. Seriously read On the Origin of Family.
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May 4, 2022 04:19
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The anti-abortion movement has been going for decades in the US and was put together as a way to unify disparate conservative elements of the US into one reactionary force. It arose in the aftermath of civil rights movement because while the forces of Black liberation were defeated, advocating for something like the return of Jim Crow was still taboo. So plenty of the white working class who felt like they "lost out" during the 1960s and 70s were mobilized on reactionary religious lines instead. This had the added benefit of even bringing in some non-white members into the movement, which Alito shouts out in the draft decision. The anti-abortion movement's continued steadily through periods of both mass immigration and crackdowns, which I think shows that it isn't strictly about the reproduction of the workforce. The US can now and looks like it will for the foreseeable future import labor if needed. It's also grown alongside mass incarceration, which is a phenomenon that shows that the ruling class perceives there to be too large a surplus in the labor force. this me criticizing the guy blaming the draft Supreme Court decision on COVID. not the origin of the family stuff.
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May 4, 2022 04:27
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:Ok, now you can try reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_Donald_Duck Seems boring as poo poo tbh
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May 4, 2022 04:30
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The destruction of what passes for a family in 21st century america doesn't lead to "communal creches", it leads to even more alienated individuals that are more highly tied to capitalism
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May 4, 2022 04:33
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:The destruction of what passes for a family in 21st century america doesn't lead to "communal creches", it leads to even more alienated individuals that are more highly tied to capitalism why, it's almost as if we should be building alternative structures of mutual support and solidarity or something
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May 4, 2022 04:35
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Mr. Lobe posted:why, it's almost as if we should be building alternative structures of mutual support and solidarity or something yeah, like families, which 21st century american capitalism is working very hard to destroy
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May 4, 2022 04:39
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:yeah, like families lol
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May 4, 2022 04:45
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the pro-family Marxist shtick is original, I'll give you that
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May 4, 2022 04:47
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Atrocious Joe posted:The anti-abortion movement has been going for decades in the US and was put together as a way to unify disparate conservative elements of the US into one reactionary force. It arose in the aftermath of civil rights movement because while the forces of Black liberation were defeated, advocating for something like the return of Jim Crow was still taboo. So plenty of the white working class who felt like they "lost out" during the 1960s and 70s were mobilized on reactionary religious lines instead. This had the added benefit of even bringing in some non-white members into the movement, which Alito shouts out in the draft decision. yeah i really dont think this is part of some strategem of even a section of the bourgeois ruling class, i think its just the dog finally catching the car
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May 4, 2022 04:50
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safe abortions have always been available to the ruling class
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May 4, 2022 05:02
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StashAugustine posted:yeah i really dont think this is part of some strategem of even a section of the bourgeois ruling class, i think its just the dog finally catching the car I dunno, the conservative project has been funding law students to become judges at every level of the american judiciary, but also I think they are counting on powerful pushback to ensure they never get everything their base wants so they can keep their base motivated and engaged. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 05:17 on May 4, 2022 |
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May 4, 2022 05:07
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wynott dunn posted:safe abortions have always been available to the ruling class what if you’re an inbred hemophiliac aristocrat tho
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May 4, 2022 05:16
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https://twitter.com/UnseenJapanSite/status/1521326918989135872?t=4DViYId0DET-rVw6XrYZbw&s=19
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May 4, 2022 06:35
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https://twitter.com/lilbabygandhi/status/1521561135257845761?t=rEkcSSkzUlJTocI9IFQ4GQ&s=19
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May 4, 2022 07:23
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Sorry Amerikkka we Canuckkks will never stop sending you our direst, worst minds
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May 4, 2022 08:18
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Yadoppsi posted:The family model has children socialised to regularly experience solidarity only with their nuclear group as opposed to say the communal creche model of the longhouses of precontact North America. Seriously read On the Origin of Family. This is why we pay absurd amounts of money on daycare to get our children comfortable with other children who are not their siblings and adults who are not their parents.
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May 4, 2022 13:27
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:yeah, like families, which 21st century american capitalism is working very hard to destroy lmao read some history binch
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May 4, 2022 13:29
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:This is why we pay absurd amounts of money on daycare to get our children comfortable with other children who are not their siblings and adults who are not their parents. p' sure the reason for daycare is that it's still marginally cheaper than having a parent stay at home
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May 4, 2022 13:34
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It like everything else is dialectal and shifts over time. Capital broadly found nuclear families more useful for having workers available and for having more households to whom to sell various appliances. Once was more broadly accepted that women could also be workers, the focus shifts. The thing about child care facilities is that they are not really communal or communitarian, they are capitalist. You're are alienated from the caregiver and your children are alienated from the other children there.
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May 4, 2022 13:44
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that the choice is even reduced to "daycare vs a parent staying at home" is itself a capitalist (if not uniquely American) invention. Child-rearing was, if not a communal activity, at least something that was done by extended family, such as grandparents and uncles and aunts I forget which Marxist author coined the phrase, but "it takes a village to raise a child" is a very apt saying that neoliberalism has tried very hard to stamp out
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May 4, 2022 13:55
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Harold Fjord posted:The thing about child care facilities is that they are not really communal or communitarian, they are capitalist. You're are alienated from the caregiver and your children are alienated from the other children there. How are the children alienated from the other children? Do you think a child interacting with other children in a communal creche has any idea its a communal creche and not a capitalist enterprise? They have no idea what either of those things are.
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May 4, 2022 13:59
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:How are the children alienated from the other children? Do you think a child interacting with other children in a communal creche has any idea its a communal creche and not a capitalist enterprise? They have no idea what either of those things are. Maybe you didn't. I had a fundamental grasp of the dialectic by the age of 6.
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May 4, 2022 14:09
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I don't think you have to understand Marxism to be alienated from others. But I wouldn't know, I haven't read Marx. Can't believe that bastard alienated all of those workers by inventing Marxism. What a fucker Harold Fjord has issued a correction as of 14:52 on May 4, 2022 |
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May 4, 2022 14:22
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reading engels on the origin of the family right now, its good, read all about them gens kids
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May 4, 2022 14:53
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Atrocious Joe posted:The anti-abortion movement has been going for decades in the US and was put together as a way to unify disparate conservative elements of the US into one reactionary force. It arose in the aftermath of civil rights movement because while the forces of Black liberation were defeated, advocating for something like the return of Jim Crow was still taboo. So plenty of the white working class who felt like they "lost out" during the 1960s and 70s were mobilized on reactionary religious lines instead. This had the added benefit of even bringing in some non-white members into the movement, which Alito shouts out in the draft decision. Hi, new to Marxism, long time reader first time poster. Why would Capital perceive "too large" a surplus of labor, if this drives wages down like we see starting in the 70s? I guess I'm emphasising use of the word "too". Does capital care how large surplus labor pools are, beyond simply "it should be large", and why is too large bad for Capital?
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May 4, 2022 15:10
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Kids are alienated from other kids by Capitalism in general (wealth disparities, relocation for employment, etc.), I don't think there's any specific to their experience in a daycare except maybe if the place goes out of business or something. Their relationships would have just as many contingencies in a non-profit co-op, basically.
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May 4, 2022 15:15
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Centrist Committee posted:reading engels on the origin of the family right now, its good, read all about them gens kids it's one of Engels' best contributions and a fundamental piece to understand that the problem isn't family, but the bourgeois concept of family in the sense of historical direction it takes and how it influences everyone
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May 4, 2022 15:25
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i'm thinking about the ussr
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May 4, 2022 15:33
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droll posted:Hi, new to Marxism, long time reader first time poster. Why would Capital perceive "too large" a surplus of labor, if this drives wages down like we see starting in the 70s? I guess I'm emphasising use of the word "too". Does capital care how large surplus labor pools are, beyond simply "it should be large", and why is too large bad for Capital? While a reserve army of labor is both needed for capitalist production and an outcome of it, if it's too large it creates instability. Masses of people who don't know where there next meal will come from would be a problem for any society. They aren't going to automatically be revolutionary, but they could certainly disrupt production. In the US this dynamic also includes the racialization of the reserve army of labor, but I want to think more about that before typing it up. That also sort of ties into what role mass incarceration actually plays in US capitalism. Generally, like I said, I think it's an attempt to deal with a reserve army of labor that's too large, but I don't expect people to believe me without actually providing evidence to back it up.
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May 4, 2022 16:44
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Mameluke posted:Sorry Amerikkka we Canuckkks will never stop sending you our direst, worst minds Tom Green isn't THAT bad, geez
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May 4, 2022 17:31
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Lise Vogels Marxism and the Oppression of Women is an excellent book on the history and theory of Marxist feminism, basing the reproduction of labour more around production a la Marx rather than property like Engels in Origin. Revolution at Point Zero by Federici also has a bunch of very good essays about the strategic elements of the Wages for Housework campaign all tie into the gendered nature of social reproduction of labour.
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May 4, 2022 17:46
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Anyone got any good recommendations for contemporary marxist perspectives on reproductive justice?
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