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feedmyleg posted:Only because the Blade Runner thread is long dead, just a heads up to folks in here that the Free League Blade Runner tabletop roleplaying game Kickstarter just went live. If you snagged their Alien stuff you know how good they are. Disclaimer: much of what made the Alien RPG good is the guy who wrote it, which is not the same author as the Blade Runner RPG. That doesn’t mean the Blade Runner RPG will be bad, just something to consider. The new Terminator RPG that’s shipping soon IS written by the Alien RPG author, though. I tried to convince him to include me in the Terminator RPG as the “Xenomrph Paradox”, named after the victim of a time travel accident where he tried to go back in time and by sheer bad luck his end destination in the past happened to be where his past self was standing and he telefragged himself.  I also tried to convince him to write the “Alien RPG: Feline Survival Guide” (the ultimate tome for running cat player characters and NPCs in the Alien setting) as an April Fool’s gag. He did include his real life cat as a player character in the latest scenario book though. feedmyleg posted:Based on the expanded universe minutia that the Alien books got into, I can't imagine it isn't. I doubt they'll do too much with the Off-World Colonies to keep the mystery alive, but I can't imagine there won't be at least a few references to Soldier in there. I think there’s a reference to Soldier in the Alien RPG core book. There’s definitely a reference to Outland. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 3, 2022 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The marines are not hired by Weyland-Yutani, You lost me right here. we all know that the marines are there on the company's request, Burke says as much. They are hired by WY, and the impression I've always gotten is that functionally WY and the world govt (american or otherwise since they are flying the flag) are one in the same (i dont know enough lore to really say im sure xenomrph can give those deets). Burke tries to play up the separation with "you don't have the authority" but that kinda just reinforces his belief that the company is in charge and they're there on the companies dime. Regardless, nothing in the "Alien" future exists without the company, nothing happens without their approval. The whole setup starts and ends with WY. And no I will not consider a theme park ride as canon and a relevant data point for discussing the response of the team on LV426. That poo poo is what hollywood WY would make to sell back home, it ain't real. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 3, 2022 |
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I dunno, I feel like there has to be something else besides WY for the universe to make sense. Another mega corp and/or nation (depending on if you think WY and the USA are functionally the same in this setting) to be a competitor. Burke specifically points out that WY manufactures the atmosphere processors, implying that there are others who also could.
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The question of how exactly the dynamic between the Colonial Marines and W-Y works has come up before, I think the bottom line is the movie just doesn't give you enough info to come to any specific conclusion. But my assumption has always been that W-Y is one of only a few mega-corporations that more or less run the world, and there is a "government" that is technically a separate entity but practically speaking the mega-corps control everything so it hardly matters. When W-Y requests marines, they get marines.
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david_a posted:I dunno, I feel like there has to be something else besides WY for the universe to make sense. Another mega corp and/or nation (depending on if you think WY and the USA are functionally the same in this setting) to be a competitor. Burke specifically points out that WY manufactures the atmosphere processors, implying that there are others who also could. IDK if I agree with that implication. Also, if you take the comics and books as canon, originally Weyland and Yutani were separate corporations. IIRC Yutani purchased Weyland. The Notorious ZSB posted:Regardless, nothing in the "Alien" future exists without the company, nothing happens without their approval. The whole setup starts and ends with WY. This is about where I stand too, given that there's almost zero dialogue in the films (IIRC) about government, or corporate competition, just "The Company."
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The films give a fair amount of leeway on how influential you want the Company to be (and even the RPG openly says GMs can portray the Company as anything from a nuisance to an unstoppable bulwark that controls everything). There are sources that say the Marines were essentially going to be deployed to LV426 anyway because a lot of organizations had a vested interest in the colony, but Burke had enough pull to pick who the commander would be (Gorman) because the Corps is in bed with WY. As for other corporations, there were a bunch of rival companies - in the old 90s comics, Weyland Yutani actually almost never showed up (I think they get namedropped in one AvP comic?), it was all a bunch of other corporations doing largely similar poo poo. I think the RPG re-canonized a bunch of the corporations from the old comics, so GMs could use them if they wanted just to change things up from WY.
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If you go outside Alien & Aliens there are absolutely other companies (there’s the Walmart joke in Resurrections if you want to stick to just the movies). If WY is literally the only company around I think that would change a lot about the setting. I don’t even know how a capitalist system is supposed to work with just one company.
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Yeah, it’s the other way around, just because the US government helped and funded Nestle’s tyranny in third world countries, that doesn’t mean the US government works directly for Nestle, but they are invested in the capital that Nestle generates.
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david_a posted:If you go outside Alien & Aliens there are absolutely other companies (there’s the Walmart joke in Resurrections if you want to stick to just the movies). Monopolies are a thing  When you make everything then everyone pays you all their money to get all their stuff, and when everyone works for the company then you pay them you a wage that goes right back to you anyway.
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I feel like it's more like the East India Company. quote:Originally chartered as the "Governor and Company of Merchants of London Trading into the East-Indies",[8][9] the company rose to account for half of the world's trade during the mid-1700s and early 1800s,[10] particularly in basic commodities including cotton, silk, indigo dye, sugar, salt, spices, saltpetre, tea, and opium. The company also ruled the beginnings of the British Empire in India.[10][11]
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Me too, remember the East India Company's army significantly outnumbered the British army at one point
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lol at walmart buying out weyland yutani being canon
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:lol at walmart buying out weyland yutani being canon Nowadays it would be Amazon
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amazon would try to capture the xenomorph because they would be the perfect warehouse and fulfillment center workers once properly trained
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Alex Jones great great great grandson: "Xenomorph blood is turning the frogs gay!"
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The Notorious ZSB posted:You lost me right here. we all know that the marines are there on the company's request, Burke says as much. They are hired by WY, and the impression I've always gotten is that functionally WY and the world govt (american or otherwise since they are flying the flag) are one in the same. Burke doesn’t say anything like that, and it wouldn’t make sense if he did. You’re not getting this ‘one world corporation-government’ stuff from the film, but from too much crap cyberpunk. Ripley’s shoes have little UK flags on them, for example, because they’re Reeboks - produced by a British company, at the time Aliens was filmed. She straps her shoes into a forklift made by Caterpillar Inc. Ash is retconned into being from Hyperdyne Systems, etc. So, after her initial reaction, Ripley actually questions why Burke is even there: “Hiya, Ripley. This is Lieutenant Gorman, of the Colonial Marine Corps. Ripley, we have to talk; we've lost contact with the colony on LV-426.” ... “What's your interest in all this? Why are you going?” It’s weird that Burke would investigate a silent colony, because that’s not his job at all. He needs to explain that his specific company invested in its construction. Besides the general murkiness of the film’s story, it’s possible that fans are confused because Burke keeps referring to himself and the marines as a team: “We’ve lost contact with the colony.” “We always have a synthetic on board.” But this is ultimately just Burke trying to ingratiate himself into the situation, with a “we’re all in this together” deal. He has no real authority there outside of a presumed ideological alignment. Also, although Ride At The Speed Of Fright is 100% Aliens canon (along with AVP, Starship Troopers and Moon 44), my point is not reliant on its canonicity but on the simple direct comparison to Aliens. The marines of the USS New Jersey don’t spend a stupidly long time standing around speculating that their motion-trackers are broken. “Hmm, it says that we’re being surrounded and the enemy’s closing in. That’s weird...” *minutes pass with nobody doing anything*
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The squad from the USCMC ship New Jersey understood one lesson the amateurs in Sgt. Apone’s squad didn’t: Never Get Out Of The Boat
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MrMojok posted:The squad from the USCMC ship New Jersey understood one lesson the amateurs in Sgt. Apone’s squad didn’t: The reason why Ride is perfect as an Aliens sequel/epilogue is that all Ripley's bold, rebellious innovations have obviously become Marine Corps SOP. Far from sticking it to the military-industrial complex, the marines have simply become more effective killers in a total war against "the bugs" - striking rapidly, sticking close to the APCs, and deploying nuclear weapons without hesitation, etc. Meanwhile, in the background, companies like Weyland-Yutani work unimpeded.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Alex Jones great great great grandson: "Xenomorph blood is turning the frogs gay!" Cue people trying to inject Alien acid into their veins to cure Covid-2179 or whatever pandemic is ravaging humanity that year
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The subject of the old PS1 Alien Resurrection game came up in the Things Dragging This Game Down thread and it's so weird. I bounced off that fucker hard because I couldn't master the control layout and now it's pretty much the standard for FPS games. Anyone ever given it a fair shot or finished it? The game got decimated in the reviews because the controls were considered impossible but I remember it had pretty good graphics and atmosphere.
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More adventures in Alien canon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w27Z31_pVlk Beyond The Rising Moon (1987)
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BiggerBoat posted:The subject of the old PS1 Alien Resurrection game came up in the Things Dragging This Game Down thread and it's so weird. It holds up pretty well, and it’s pretty easy with 20 years of modern FPS controls under your belt. It still looks pretty solid and the Aliens are fun to shoot, and the atmosphere is pretty good. I beat it back when it was new and I remember it being really hard, but I tried it again recently and was just blowing through it because I “got” the controls. Fun fact: the game devs got the guy who voiced Father (the ship AI) in the movie to come back to record new dialogue for the game.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Ride At The Speed Of Fright is 100% Aliens canon (along with AVP, Starship Troopers and Moon 44) lmao Sometimes I forget that this is 'your' thread.
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BiggerBoat posted:The subject of the old PS1 Alien Resurrection game came up in the Things Dragging This Game Down thread and it's so weird. the controls are literally the exact same controls they use now for games lmao the reviewers were stupid. "gamespot posted:Fans of console first-person shooters or the Alien film series will probably be better off waiting for Fox's recently announced Aliens: Colonial Marines for the PlayStation 2. While no concrete details have been announced for the game yet, this is one instance where the unknown is preferable to the devil you know. lmao 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 4, 2022 |
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alien trilogy is the better alien game on the PS1 imo
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:alien trilogy is the better alien game on the PS1 imo I played that game so goddamn much. No idea how it holds up though. I still remember the cheat code to unlock godmode/infinite ammo (1GOTP1NK8C1DBOOTSON)
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Now to be fair that's a different Aliens: Colonial Marines which was cancelled lol
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Mister Speaker posted:lmao lmao Canon is whatever you want it to be anyway Spalec posted:I played that game so goddamn much. No idea how it holds up though. It’s been a while since I played it, somehow I have two copies (PS1 and Sega Saturn), maybe I’ll fire them up and see what they’re like. Alien Resurrection is worth a go, though. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 00:54 on May 5, 2022 |
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Mister Speaker posted:lmao It's refreshing reading things that aren't just memorized from an Alien wiki.
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Spalec posted:I played that game so goddamn much. No idea how it holds up though. it doesnt compare to doom but it still holds up imo
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ruddiger posted:It's refreshing reading things that aren't just memorized from an Alien wiki.
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I played the poo poo out of Alien: Trilogy. That game was awesome. Die Hard Trilogy too for that matter More games need the word "trilogy" in their titles I think.
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Lemme know when they make the Cruel Intentions Trilogy video game.
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BiggerBoat posted:I played the poo poo out of Alien: Trilogy. That game was awesome. Die Hard Trilogy was neat, I liked how it was basically three games in one. I think I have the sequel (Viva Las Vegas?) but I don’t know that I’ve played it yet.
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sigher posted:You know what I never understood and maybe I'm missing something, is everything involving Ferro and the Dropship. The dropship is basically a helicopter. It lands, drops off the Marines, and then takes off and goes into a holding pattern a safe distance away. Once the Marines have cleared the colony, the dropship comes in to land, probably refuel as I doubt it has an unlimited fuel supply, and give the pilots time to rest while the Marines investigate the power station. This is pretty much how it works with helicopters, you land, drop off the passengers, go get gas, then land and shut down till it's time to go.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:More adventures in Alien canon: I'm Hudson sir, he's Hicks. 
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PeterCat posted:The dropship is basically a helicopter. It lands, drops off the Marines, and then takes off and goes into a holding pattern a safe distance away. Once the Marines have cleared the colony, the dropship comes in to land, probably refuel as I doubt it has an unlimited fuel supply, and give the pilots time to rest while the Marines investigate the power station. when is the alien supposed to sneak on the helicopter and kill the pilot
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Mister Speaker posted:lmao The name on the lease says 'Immortan' and I'm beginning to think smg doesn't pay rent
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Mister Speaker posted:lmao The thread belongs to the people. That the three 'Ripley' films all have exceedingly little in common is, simply, true. There's a reason only Paul W.S. Anderson has officially returned to the 'Alien Queen' concept, and that nobody has returned to the 'Colonial Marines' concept (after Gordon's jokey short film). Attempts at forcing Aliens into canon resulted in the creation of at least one infamously stupid videogame.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:More adventures in Alien canon: I'm strongly digging this. Thanks! 
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