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and that mans name *choking back tears* was hold door
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General Dog posted:Cersei blowing up the Sept was a real turning point, after which nobody's actions (especially Cersei's actions) really had any consequence. From that point on, the larger world surrounding our main characters stops really having any response to their actions. You are 100% right. I loved that moment. I hated that nothing came of it.
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May 4, 2022 19:21
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That DICK! posted:and that mans name *choking back tears* was hold door That's hold the door to you.
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May 4, 2022 19:26
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if i had Bran's ability i would have gone back in time and made Hodor say something funnier than Hodor, like Fart.
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May 4, 2022 19:29
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uber_stoat posted:if i had Bran's ability i would have gone back in time and made Hodor say something funnier than Hodor, like Fart. There must be a way to gently caress up a sentence so his name becomes CUM
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May 4, 2022 19:35
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Instead of “Hold the Door” they yell “Oh poo poo they’re coming!”
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May 4, 2022 19:37
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HOLD UP! FIFTEEN YEARS FROM NOW THE LIVING DEAD WILL RISE TO WIPE OUT HUMANITY PLEASE WAIT LIKE TEN YEARS TO TELL NED STARK THIS OR WE COULD HAVE SOME WEIRD TIME PARADOX poo poo IN STORE. HOLD UP! FIFTEEN YEARS FROM NOW THE LIVING DEAD WILL RISE TO WIPE OUT HUMANITY PLEASE WAIT LIKE TEN YEARS TO TELL NED STARK THIS OR WE COULD HAVE SOME WEIRD TIME PARADOX poo poo IN STORE. HOLD UP! FIFTEEN YEARS FROM NOW THE LIVING DEAD WILL RISE TO WIPE OUT HUMANITY PLEASE WAIT LIKE TEN YEARS TO TELL NED STARK THIS OR WE COULD HAVE SOME WEIRD TIME PARADOX poo poo IN STORE! HOLD UP IN STORE! HODOR! HODOR!
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May 4, 2022 19:39
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Happy Landfill posted:You are 100% right. I loved that moment. I hated that nothing came of it. Maybe the most disastrous decision the show made in the home stretch was the decision to make Cersei the ultimate big-bad (at least up to the penultimate episode). If you want to deviate from the books and make her the ultimate Machiavellian schemer in a world full of Machiavellian schemers, then that's fine, I get it; but you actually have to make her clever and, you know, good at scheming. Instead she just just pulls one reckless, public back-stab after another, and despite her ostensibly tenuous position in King's Landing, everyone around her seemingly just shrugs and takes it rather than putting her head on a stick and handing over the key to the city to Dany or literally anyone else. She doesn't make it to the end because she's cunning and ruthless, she makes it to the end because she has plot armor. General Dog fucked around with this message at 20:17 on May 4, 2022 |
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May 4, 2022 20:13
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Does Cersei even have any good schemes that are mostly her work?
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May 4, 2022 20:37
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She got away with killing Robert but it was kind of a fluke, getting him drunker than he planned on a hunting trip
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May 4, 2022 20:43
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Robert would have gotten shitfaced and fallen into a cesspit eventually.
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May 4, 2022 20:50
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bobjr posted:Does Cersei even have any good schemes that are mostly her work? Seems like she and Qyburn planned the Sept bombing together. That worked, but in the world that the earlier seasons established, it should've produced massive blowback that she wouldn't have had an answer to. I've forgotten, how did she pay for the mercenary army she had at the end? Did she just talk the Iron Bank into another loan, or did she strong-arm them somehow?
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May 4, 2022 20:55
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I think she just told mycroft she needed the money.
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May 4, 2022 21:31
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An insane mind posted:I think she just told mycroft she needed the money. Just fell prey to sunk cost fallacy I guess
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May 4, 2022 21:41
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General Dog posted:Cersei blowing up the Sept was a real turning point, after which nobody's actions (especially Cersei's actions) really had any consequence. From that point on, the larger world surrounding our main characters stops really having any response to their actions. that's the other hosed-up thing! one of the whole appeals of GoT and ASoIaF is that there's this whole interconnected world out there. GRRM goes deep on every family's lineage, random Lannister cousins show up, you have sub-houses and offshoots and the like and you're telling me that Cersei blows up Mace and Margaery and Loras and their army in the capital ... goes home? And the High Septon dies so his fanatics give up? usually making a martyr of a dude tends to galvanize his suicidal fanatics! but no, in S7/8 every house is just one person. Ellaria Sand kills Doran Martell so she automatically leads Dorne -- he Daynes and Yronwoods and Velaryons just go "wow OK". And then the Reach, the richest and least-ravaged by the War of the Five Kings save for Dorne, gets mega-owned in a week by the Lannister army, who have suffered hilariously large casualties up until this point? like man, if you're gonna introduce the Golden Company and build them up a bit, why not then? The Lannisters are reeling but they use their gold to hire mercenaries and defeat their enemies. Easy poo poo!
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May 4, 2022 21:57
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General Dog posted:Seems like she and Qyburn planned the Sept bombing together. That worked, but in the world that the earlier seasons established, it should've produced massive blowback that she wouldn't have had an answer to. Remember how Qyburn stole Varys Little birds by bribing them with sweets? And it somehow worked? Same deal as the bank - the plot needed them to help Cersei, so they did.
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May 4, 2022 21:59
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poor Varys. lmao. reminds me of that video of the table read.
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May 4, 2022 22:02
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At the time I gave the writers too much credit and was utterly convinced that the little birds were just pretending to go along with Qyburn, and were gonna stab the gently caress out of him as soon as Varys needed them to. But no. This army of highly intelligent child-spies, who owe everything they have to Varys, got bought out by a creepy old dude giving them candy.
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May 4, 2022 22:04
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General Dog posted:I've forgotten, how did she pay for the mercenary army she had at the end? Did she just talk the Iron Bank into another loan, or did she strong-arm them somehow? The Lannisters sacked Highgarden and stole all the gold. Cersei then bizarrely used the gold to pay the debt to the Iron Bank and then immediately afterwards took out a new loan, which she used to hire the army. I guess paying back the original loan improved her credit rating, or something. It would have made a lot more sense to simply renegotiate the terms of the original loan with the gold as collateral, but her having the money in the first place was well explained. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 4, 2022 |
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May 4, 2022 22:13
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SimonChris posted:The Lannisters sacked Highgarden and stole all the gold. Cersei then bizarrely used the gold to pay the debt to the Iron Bank and then immediately afterwards took out a new loan, which she used to hire the army. I guess paying back the original loan improved her credit rating, or something. It would have made a lot more sense to simply renegotiate the terms of the original loan with the gold as collateral, but her having the money in the first place was well explained. I thought Dany destroyed their loot. I guess Cersei just gave the bank a big lump of half-melted gold coins? (I know melted gold would still have plenty of value, but it’s a funny visual to imagine)
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May 4, 2022 22:35
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General Dog posted:I thought Dany destroyed their loot. I guess Cersei just gave the bank a big lump of half-melted gold coins? No, Dany only destroyed the food. There is a line dialogue saying that all the gold made it safely back to King's Landing. It's a good thing the much-hyped coming winter turned out to be completely inconsequential, so losing all the food from the Reach was no big deal.
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May 4, 2022 22:41
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Ah, okay. Seems like the Iron Bank would just say “thanks for the payment, but we’re not feeling great about your ability to pay off another loan at this time,” by GoT gonna GoT.
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May 4, 2022 22:46
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SimonChris posted:No, Dany only destroyed the food. There is a line dialogue saying that all the gold made it safely back to King's Landing. Honestly they just utterly and totally ignore the winter thing. I think most viewers took it to mean "the ice zombies are coming" rather than anything else
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May 4, 2022 22:58
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I'm trying to imagine Bran actually presiding over court or any public event and there's like no realistic way those common folks as presented in Westeros would bow to the weirdo for more than a few months, maybe a year before open rebellion for someone more respectable or threatening. Unless Bran became the evil animal warging tyrant that befitting of his magic.
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May 4, 2022 23:00
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its just hosed up and stupid stop thinkin bout it you'll get pissed off.
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May 4, 2022 23:13
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Bran’s story was so good that the show shelved it for an entire season
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May 4, 2022 23:17
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Book Cersei tells the Iron Bank to gently caress off and builds a bunch of ships to fight them, only to lose them all because the guy she put in charge of them takes them to do his own thing, and she only did it because she thought he was hot.
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May 4, 2022 23:35
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I wonder if Euron started asking questions when Cersei still wasn’t showing 20 months into her pregnancy
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May 4, 2022 23:50
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iamsosmrt posted:I'm trying to imagine Bran actually presiding over court or any public event and there's like no realistic way those common folks as presented in Westeros would bow to the weirdo for more than a few months, maybe a year before open rebellion for someone more respectable or threatening. Unless Bran became the evil animal warging tyrant that befitting of his magic. The show utterly throws all the smallfolk stuff away, they might as well not exist
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May 5, 2022 00:01
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I'm still chuckling at the moment they bring the zombie to King's Landing and show it to everyone, and Euron Greyjoy gives that little speech about how he's scared shitless and is going to retreat back to the Iron Islands. And his actor delivers his lines in such a way that he might as well have the words "HE IS LYING HIS rear end OFF" flashing underneath him. It was just an utterly unconvincing performance.
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May 5, 2022 00:19
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I'm still chuckling at the moment they bring the zombie to King's Landing and show it to everyone, and Euron Greyjoy gives that little speech about how he's scared shitless and is going to retreat back to the Iron Islands. And his actor delivers his lines in such a way that he might as well have the words "HE IS LYING HIS rear end OFF" flashing underneath him. It was just an utterly unconvincing performance. To be fair the actor was probably a bit miffed he didn't get to play actual Euron but had to settle for this pirates of the carribean reject instead. Aw and that made me remember the showrunners making fun of the guy who played barristan selmy and now I'm sad.
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May 5, 2022 00:34
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Dave and Dan really showed themselves to be complete petty shitheads to the bitter end. They kept sending fake scripts to their actors so no wonder they thought everything in the last season was a joke at first. It's ironic, if they had handed the reigns to a different team and the last seasons were still lovely the fanbase probably would have remembered them quite fondly. The Sept scene was so brilliantly shot and executed--everything from the set up, the dawning realization of, "hey, what would cersei do if she was backed in to a corner?", the scene with Tommen being framed in such a way that you know what he's about to do and yet you're still shocked when it happens (at least I was)...I'm almost convinced that wasn't Dave and Dan's work. And as bullshit as it was, all the scenes of Kings Landing burning were pretty excellently shot as well Just so much wasted potential 
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May 5, 2022 00:51
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Happy Landfill posted:Dave and Dan really showed themselves to be complete petty shitheads to the bitter end. They kept sending fake scripts to their actors so no wonder they thought everything in the last season was a joke at first. It's ironic, if they had handed the reigns to a different team and the last seasons were still lovely the fanbase probably would have remembered them quite fondly. Isaac Hempstead Wright said that when he got the script for the final episode and read that they made Bran the king out of loving nowhere, he legitimately thought Weiss and Benioff were loving with him and sent him another joke script, so he called them up and asked if it was real and when they said yes, he hung up the phone and spent the rest of the night in his hotel room having a full on panic attack because he realized everything was beyond hosed. The fact that these two gigantic Jupiter-sized dipshits got IMMEDIATELY iced out of Hollywood's good graces after the finale to Game of Thrones splattered across the cultural zeitgeist and erased a literal decade of cultural staying power remains to this day a thing a pure poetic justice and beauty 
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May 5, 2022 01:12
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Happy Landfill posted:Dave and Dan really showed themselves to be complete petty shitheads to the bitter end. They kept sending fake scripts to their actors so no wonder they thought everything in the last season was a joke at first. It's ironic, if they had handed the reigns to a different team and the last seasons were still lovely the fanbase probably would have remembered them quite fondly. There's good stuff in the late seasons. It's just few and far between and probably there is no good stuff in Season 8. Like, I like the attack on the wagon train. That was really good. Jaime desperately charging Dany in her moment of weakness even though he was highly likely to get roasted.
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May 5, 2022 01:13
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nine-gear crow posted:Isaac Hempstead Wright said that when he got the script for the final episode and read that they made Bran the king out of loving nowhere, he legitimately thought Weiss and Benioff were loving with him and sent him another joke script, so he called them up and asked if it was real and when they said yes, he hung up the phone and spent the rest of the night in his hotel room having a full on panic attack because he realized everything was beyond hosed. I wonder if, when he didn't really get many other roles he thought "well it'll be fine, I can do the convention stuff" and then got that script and went "oh. gently caress."
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Taear posted:I wonder if, when he didn't really get many other roles he thought "well it'll be fine, I can do the convention stuff" and then got that script and went "oh. gently caress." He's said several times he wanted to retire from action after GOT ended and explore being a director instead. Lucky for him, he spent a decade in the company of a group of really great television directors who managed to make the most of sub-par material, so he's got a pool of contacts to lean on if he ever wants to go down that role. But yeah, the "oh. gently caress, my career is over" reaction to reading those last few scripts is probably a reaction a LOT of people on the cast and crew mutually had, I would wager.
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May 5, 2022 01:18
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I didn’t mind the episode at the beginning of S8 where everyone is just hanging out in Winterfell prior to the Long Night. It’s fan-servicey and a tremendously poor allocation of screen time with so few episodes remaining, but in a vacuum it’s the last episode that isn’t stupid and miserable.
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May 5, 2022 01:20
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nine-gear crow posted:Isaac Hempstead Wright said that when he got the script for the final episode and read that they made Bran the king out of loving nowhere, he legitimately thought Weiss and Benioff were loving with him and sent him another joke script, so he called them up and asked if it was real and when they said yes, he hung up the phone and spent the rest of the night in his hotel room having a full on panic attack because he realized everything was beyond hosed. It's especially funny because their real passion project was to make a show with the completely novel and original premise of "what if the South won the Civil War, and it's also the modern day", in the era of George Floyd, BLM, and the Trump presidency.
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General Dog posted:I didn’t mind the episode at the beginning of S8 where everyone is just hanging out in Winterfell prior to the Long Night. It’s fan-servicey and a tremendously poor allocation of screen time with so few episodes remaining, but in a vacuum it’s the last episode that isn’t stupid and miserable. Even The Long Night is... okay-ish, up until it's last ten minutes. Basically, the moment Jorah Mormont dies is the moment the show enters its irrecoverable tailspin. Nothing watchable occurs beyond that threshold.
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General Dog posted:I didn’t mind the episode at the beginning of S8 where everyone is just hanging out in Winterfell prior to the Long Night. It’s fan-servicey and a tremendously poor allocation of screen time with so few episodes remaining, but in a vacuum it’s the last episode that isn’t stupid and miserable. And it has Jaime knighting Brienne (if you mean ep2, if not apologies). Such a fantastic moment.
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