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Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

GG Recreation - Never do this. It's just a random director strike with no vanguard rep, no weapon XP, nothing. Total filler garbage

You do get vanguard rep afaict, and it's also how you do the 2 weekly 200 bright dust bounties.

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GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Paracelsus posted:

You do get vanguard rep afaict, and it's also how you do the 2 weekly 200 bright dust bounties.

Oddly enough, I got progress from GG: Training as well. I did 1x Recreation and 2x Training and my weekly bounties are both done! GG: Training also appears to give about 500 Vanguard rep, which is extremely nice. I'm thinking they probably added GG: Rec just so there's an easy mode for getting all those Triumphs for like, "get 9 melee kills without dying" and such


I think the GG: Training is sort of a test-run on "ok fine what if we DO get rid of Locked Loadouts & add matchmaking to Nightfalls"

Yo it stone cold SUCKS that I can't grab new Contender Cards from orbit. I'm also hoping they'll fix the SMG drop issue ASAP so I can hand in this big clutch o Medals

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Where is it supposed to drop from? Only had the quest drop from Eva.

E: Although I think drops on my account are busted, I'm nearly at my 2nd prestige for Gambit and still haven't had the memento drop.

Also someone on reddit said something about there being a progress bar or tracker or something on the last 2 perks, they were speculating about it unlocking extra perks as you use it? It was after I went to bed so I couldn't check.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
https://twitter.com/paultassi/status/1521833150208430081?s=21&t=dvXGWjU3L71CGq8GO9ATQw


https://twitter.com/munkimatt/status/1521762136535543808?s=21&t=dvXGWjU3L71CGq8GO9ATQw


:unsmith:

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Complaints like that always have me wondering what professions they think are allowed to have political opinions.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Are the GG armor ornaments silver only or will they rotate for bright dust? Or are they drops from the event itself?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

^^^ The GG tab has the whole set for 1200 silver or 6k bright dust, along with previous years sets

---

I'm not sure I want to see the emblem for showing support.

(For clarity I think it's a good statement, I like that they added donation links, and think the owning of pro lifers on twitter is good. I just find the whole 'change your avatar = 1 respect' thing mawkish, probably the weirdest one being pornhub avatars)


xzzy posted:

Complaints like that always have me wondering what professions they think are allowed to have political opinions.
If it helps there is a whole chunk of the British commentariat who have been accusing the opposition party of 'playing politics' whenever they oppose the government, it's just a chud talking point.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 14:29 on May 4, 2022

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

xzzy posted:

Complaints like that always have me wondering what professions they think are allowed to have political opinions.

Anything they disagree with: y u politikal just maek gamez

Anything they agree with: that is fine and indeed very right, please proceed good sirs.

PERMACAV 50
Jul 24, 2007

because we are cat


Even the Traveler can’t bring you back from that.

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010
I decided I needed to try out Crucible for those +2s I have been skipping, and to maybe someday finish a back-catalog of catalyst quests.

After a few depressing evenings the past few weeks, I have two main observations:
1) I have to work very hard to get a kill because my shots do very little damage
2) I instantaneously combust if another player even glances my general direction

I haven't been a big FPS PVP person for a long time. Have I just gotten old, or is there a game mechanic I'm not leveraging?

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Are you aiming down sights or just hipfiring a lot? Destiny 2 has lots of behind the scenes stuff that makes ADSing really helpful.

But also Destiny is a pretty twitchy game. There are builds that offer way more survivability than others, and I find success with those.

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy

Pioneer42 posted:

I decided I needed to try out Crucible for those +2s I have been skipping, and to maybe someday finish a back-catalog of catalyst quests.

After a few depressing evenings the past few weeks, I have two main observations:
1) I have to work very hard to get a kill because my shots do very little damage
2) I instantaneously combust if another player even glances my general direction

I haven't been a big FPS PVP person for a long time. Have I just gotten old, or is there a game mechanic I'm not leveraging?

There is a very steep learning curve to D2 pvp in my experience, it’s late in the season so a lot of hardcore pvp players tend to be in the lobbies, and the current meta is full of 1 shot cheese, most of which is going away in a few weeks with the new season.

Positioning and map/spawn awareness is very important. I’d recommend paying attention to your radar as much as possible, staying near teammates and shooting at what they shoot at, and always try to disengage if you don’t get the first shot in. Can also be helpful to watch some good pvp players on YouTube or twitch or whatever to see how they play.

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Pillbug
Especially starting out you are just gonna have to get used to the idea that

1) you are gonna get thwomped a lot as you learn
2) that whole "use whatever weapon you want pretty much as long as the element's right for your build" doesn't work that well in PvP although it's not so bad as some make it out where you MUST USE HAND CANNONS or whatever

Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

Pioneer42 posted:

I decided I needed to try out Crucible for those +2s I have been skipping, and to maybe someday finish a back-catalog of catalyst quests.

After a few depressing evenings the past few weeks, I have two main observations:
1) I have to work very hard to get a kill because my shots do very little damage
2) I instantaneously combust if another player even glances my general direction

I haven't been a big FPS PVP person for a long time. Have I just gotten old, or is there a game mechanic I'm not leveraging?

The short answer is positioning, mobility and precision shots. Most regular PVPers have been doing it for a long time now, and know both the maps and how/where to position themselves to get the best shots on people being funneled by the structure of the map.
They also abuse the poo poo out of movement abilities (hunters, top tree dawn, movement exotics, titan melees and jumps) to disengage from disadvantageous fights and reengage when they’re at the advantage again.

In the same theme, they know how broken aim assist in this game is, and how to use it most effectively to get the most headshots for free.

If you’re just starting, good luck, and it will be a painful process. Try not to take it too seriously and understand what an uphill climb it is. I’m sure more experienced PVPers than I can give you tips and a more focused answer.

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
i'm awful at pvp but my problem is just that i can't hit anything with my shots; if you're hitting but not doing very much damage you might be fighting from outside the effective range of your guns? the gold standard in pvp in this game is the adaptive frame hand cannon, which will kill you in three headshots, and most players who are actually any good at crucible can very easily hit three headshots in a row on a target that isn't actively sliding around to evade them. it's late in the season so almost everyone still in crucible is there because they actually like it.

PERMACAV 50
Jul 24, 2007

because we are cat
Use a bunch of different guns; what’s “meta” may not work for you (I can’t get a single PvP kill with Ace of Spades) and you can’t know what does until you try.

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010
Ok, good tips. At least I now know that what I'm experiencing is at least to be expected at this point.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



A helpful approach if you're not super confident yet is to try and never get into a heads up 1v1 fight if you can help it. Stick with your team and try to gang up on people and pick off enemies who are hurt from fighting someone else. Conversely, if an opponent comes at you 1v1 or gets the drop on you, hit da bricks! If they're particularly stupid/horny for the kill they'll chase you right into the rest of your team and get shredded.

I hear this works, anyway. I absolutely cannot help myself and run face-first into bullets constantly.

Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 4, 2022

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

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1) fiddle with your sim settings in the menu until you think they’re perfect!

2) focus on keeping your crucible at player head height, don’t look at the floor while running around

3) get comfortable swapping between your weapons and reloading them as often as possible

Those by themselves will improve your game a lot

Toozler
Jan 12, 2012

I am like 0.8 K/D and spend a lot of time yelling at adolescents through the screen in PVP. But it does get kinda fun, even doing just the weekly pinnacles or Iron Banner for +2s

Some quick tips I found useful from various vids/posts in this thread (to go along with whats above):

Protection - try to make 66% to 75% of what's on your screen be cover if are nearing a firefight
Positioning - if you are standing still for 2 seconds, that's too long. Re-position / change up your lane of attack
Teammates - that shiny guy on your team in the intro with the 3.0 K/D? Following him isn't a bad idea

Osteo Striga (the WQ exotic smg) can cheese some kills as you can spray and pray and it ticks damage post-cover (or post-your death). You might get outranged or just 1-shot though

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010
Thanks. I do need to work on being conservative with cover. Being a Warlock, the temptation to just float across the map has been a real struggle.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
My biggest advice for starting out in D2 PvP is never fight fair. On a perfectly smooth frictionless surface against someone at your exact skill level with the same loadout due to Funny Destiny Console Netcode you will at best mutual kill but otherwise it's random who dies first if you both land a killing shot at the same time.

What this means: if you have teammates then you should be using them, 2v1 your enemy, have them distract while you flank, use bad ones as ablative shielding, etc

If you get shot at and you have no idea where it's coming from, immediately dive into cover. If everyone's ideal Time To Kill is about 1 second (less, usually) then by the time you turn around and figure out where they are you are already 0.5s behind in the race between your ideal TTK and theirs. Same thing if you have an SMG out and someone opens up from far with a pulse rifle and hits you.

Never engage someone looking at you unless you know you have the advantage somehow. This can be range, positioning, HP, ability, mobility or numbers.

Get 100 Recovery however you can. It's been this way for years but it's literally the most important PvP stat. It decreases the time it takes for your shield regen to kick in and it speeds the regen up as well. Assume everyone else has 100 Recov unless you see otherwise because it's super easy to bully someone without it. If you both get taken down to 1 HP at the same time and hide behind a corner and your opp has 50 recov then you can charge at them sooner and be back to half HP by the time their shields have only just started to regen.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

My first crucible match in week one of Destiny 1, it went so horribly that I was convinced the game was broken and lovely and I'd never try it again. And this was after being a lifetime fps player.

Of course I did go back to it and clawed my way up to being a career 60th percentile idiot.

The game definitely takes several rounds to figure out. Or several weeks.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
https://twitter.com/RickKackis/status/1521962918404714496?s=20&t=8A2jv4agluah65HnVEfKRg

el B
Jan 30, 2004
holler.

PERMACAV 50 posted:



Even the Traveler can’t bring you back from that.

LOL owned

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
The SMG for guardian games seems pretty tight but i have not seen any reason to take my god roll shayura's off. mostly because i somehow got it on my first shayura's drop

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

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Yeah I don’t know too much about the “MehTah” but my Arrowhead//Accurized//Killing Wind//Adrenaline Junkie//Alacrity Ashura’s Wrath is probably the best feeling gun I own and makes solo content a fuckin breeze

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
The Title is an investment in the future. Shayura is getting its range clipped severely (not as badly as Multimach though) and Aggressive SMGs will have a little more breathing room against shotguns and fusions alike with the S17 sandbox

Buy today!

I don't really like aggs in PvE though, mag too tiny

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

I tried playing on Xbox again and it still feels awful on controller compared to m+kb on PC. Maybe I just need to adjust sensitivity, but I don't know if I care to slog through that just yet. Any suggestions? I really haven't done much on console since leviathan was still the good raid, so maybe it's just lack of use.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Bungie clearly going for a marketable demographic... and it sure as gently caress works for me lol gonna buy the poo poo out of their future expansions and stuff.

Also I finally have a free day to play. I am barely 50 on the season pass, and I need to get the blueprints for the seasonal weapons and poo poo. So much to do in 19 days. Gonna be fun.

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?
can you do the platinum nightfall card in the guardian games: training playlist?

Horsebanger
Jun 25, 2009

Steering wheel! Hey! Steering wheel! Someone tell him to give it to me!

syntaxfunction posted:

Bungie clearly going for a marketable demographic... and it sure as gently caress works for me lol gonna buy the poo poo out of their future expansions and stuff.

Also I finally have a free day to play. I am barely 50 on the season pass, and I need to get the blueprints for the seasonal weapons and poo poo. So much to do in 19 days. Gonna be fun.

A lot of this stuff will be around after those 19 days for another 300 days so don't stress and burn out! (get to 100 on the season pass tho)

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Horsebanger posted:

A lot of this stuff will be around after those 19 days for another 300 days so don't stress and burn out! (get to 100 on the season pass tho)

Oh yeah for sure, my main goals are:
- Have time to enjoy the loving game (my biggest thing)
- Get the seasonal weapon blueprints
- Iunno, get the GG SMG? Seems neat?

Everything else is gravy honestly. I haven't even had time to do Evidence Board poo poo, this is how far behind the curve I am lol

Raspberry Bang
Feb 14, 2007


Mazerunner posted:

can you do the platinum nightfall card in the guardian games: training playlist?

Yes you can! That’s how I’ve been grinding them.

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?

Raspberry Bang posted:

Yes you can! That’s how I’ve been grinding them.

excellent

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Raspberry Bang posted:

Yes you can! That’s how I’ve been grinding them.
Oh sweet, I've mostly been playing the casual playlist to grind the repeatable bounties, but might change it up and do this every few games.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

lol

https://i.imgur.com/KZCBs7q.mp4

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Master Exhibition ended up being the easiest of the 3 challenges, which I did not at all expect.

Huge tip - there's a cheese in the 3rd of the 4 rooms. If you hug the wall in the left side, 1st glyphkeeper room, it thinks you're in the Transition Room and it'll take all your Darkness stacks away. Goofy! The cleanse relic will never need to go back and forth

Roctavian
Feb 23, 2011

Full auto accessibility option won’t be out til Season 19, ugh

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
The TWAB is out and it's another wall of text about weapon changes, mostly answering specific nitpicks about edge cases.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/51319

Read all of it if you want to learn in great detail how flinch resistance, air effectiveness, and aim assist work

Also:

-Wavesplitter is keeping its damage varying over time perk in addition to the other changes

-You will be able to get a gold border on a crafted weapon by adding an enhanced intrinsic and two enhanced perks to a legendary, or by adding a catalyst to an exotic

-Etheric spirals will be removed from the economy in season 17, exchange them for something of value before then

-Mythoclast is an auto rifle for the purpose of airborne effectiveness calculations (aren't programming and game design fun?)

haveblue fucked around with this message at 19:36 on May 5, 2022

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