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quote:Once you finish speaking to that representative you will understand why I dislike liberalism. Lmao
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Grouchio posted:Does the game hit different now that there's a war in Ukraine going on? (what with the setting being somewhat of a parallel to European geopolitics?) ...No? The nature of the Russian invasion is fairly different from the nature of the Revacholian civil war and the Moralintern intervention. I guess someone unused to how badly a war destroys places who is also following the Ukraine war might come back with some additional thoughts on the lingering postwar damage. or maybe Russians who are on board with the war have some hot takes about how NATO is the Moralintern and/or is Revacholian fascism lol
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GreyjoyBastard posted:...No? The nature of the Russian invasion is fairly different from the nature of the Revacholian civil war and the Moralintern intervention. I guess someone unused to how badly a war destroys places who is also following the Ukraine war might come back with some additional thoughts on the lingering postwar damage.
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Heath posted:Lmao ngl that made me cringe a bit
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Epic High Five posted:Anarchists are mentioned once or twice, apparently the few that did anything sided with the Moralintern or at least against the revolution I don't recall this ever stated in the game. Looking through Disco Reader, all references to the Anarchists at the time of the Revolution identify them as constituent, even militant, members of the Revolutionaries. The liberals were split between the monarchists and the Revolutionaries, and the liberals who sided with the Revolutionaries eventually capitulated and collaborated with the Moralist regime. But I found no references to the Anarchists siding against the Revolution at any point, just that they won first place in the getting-shot-in-the-head competition, and the prize was to fade from collective and even Pale-aged memory.
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The only game the Ukraine war has recontextualized for me is "This War of Mine", definitely didn't change anything for Disco Elysium.Caufman posted:I don't recall this ever stated in the game. Looking through Disco Reader, all references to the Anarchists at the time of the Revolution identify them as constituent, even militant, members of the Revolutionaries. The liberals were split between the monarchists and the Revolutionaries, and the liberals who sided with the Revolutionaries eventually capitulated and collaborated with the Moralist regime. But I found no references to the Anarchists siding against the Revolution at any point, just that they won first place in the getting-shot-in-the-head competition, and the prize was to fade from collective and even Pale-aged memory. Yeah, this is what I remember to. It's the Ultraliberals who sided with the Revolution and then sided against them in rapid succession, not the anarchists. The anarchists were mostly notable for having gotten killed off to the extent they were mentioned at all, and its also notable that they were killed off, I think, by the communists AND the royalists. Which, to tie it back to the Ukraine war, reflects what happened to Ukraine's Black Army, right? If the world was committed to destroying communism, it was even MORE committed to destroying anarchism, because that's something the royalists, monarchists, and communists were all willing to work together on it feels like.
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The black army sided with the Bolsheviks to fight off the monarchists. Nestor Makhno, the organizer and leader of the black army, even served as a commander in the red army. It was after the monarchists were repelled that the black army revolted against the communists. Edit: so to say that there was some sort of united goal of the monarchists and communists isnt very fair, it was more like a squabble for control that the anarchists lost perhaps because they were ideologically opposed to two cornerstones of power: hierarchy and coercion. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 13:30 on May 4, 2022 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The black army sided with the Bolsheviks to fight off the monarchists. Nestor Makhno, the organizer and leader of the black army, even served as a commander in the red army. It was after the monarchists were repelled that the black army revolted against the communists. I had heard it the other way around, that the red army turned on the black, not that the black turned on the red. Admittedly I'm pretty ignorant about the details of that particular story. Looking through the game trees, I'm not even sure why I thought the communists turned on the anarchist revolutionaries though. I think it may have been me misremembering the bullethole wall execution scene.
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GlyphGryph posted:I had heard it the other way around, that the red army turned on the black, not that the black turned on the red. Admittedly I'm pretty ignorant about the details of that particular story. It was an alliance of convenience since the start. They turned on each other, really.
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Not necessarily Ukraine-related, but I'm currently reading a book about the post-Soviet left in Russia (Dissidents Among Dissidents, Ilya Budraitskis) while doing a new playthrough and I find the themes of both are related. DE was probably one of the first pieces of media I engaged with that addressed the question of "well what now?" after the failure of a communist movement, and is certainly relevant when thinking about the left in modern Russia and the struggle of trying to rebuild socialism/communism in the face of overwhelming neoliberalism or fascism. Good stuff.
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so, one of the first post-DE RPGs got released - Citizen Sleeper was announced something like not too long after the original DE and it's part of its school so to speak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-q0g9LTQmY https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/citizen-sleeper-review posting it here because its definitely 'discoelysian': neoliberalism sucks, dice rolls on dialogue options and general activities, communism, focus on humane characterization, lotsa text, banger soundtrack, etc
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dead gay comedy forums posted:so, one of the first post-DE RPGs got released - Citizen Sleeper was announced something like not too long after the original DE and it's part of its school so to speak ok but how much of a complete loser am I?
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Also who do I play as?
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christmas boots posted:ok but how much of a complete loser am I? Don't worry, no matter what game you play, you'll always be a loser to me 
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thanks bro that means a lot to me
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the art and music doesn't seem nearly as cool as disco elysium, but i'll play any game that tries to rip off disco elysium
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GlyphGryph posted:Looking through the game trees, I'm not even sure why I thought the communists turned on the anarchist revolutionaries though. I think it may have been me misremembering the bullethole wall execution scene. Yeah, I could not find any references to the Anarchists and Communists turning on each other in Revachol, which makes me think the Insulindian Revolution was more like (my crude understanding of) the Paris Commune rather than the Russian Civil War. I also could not find any references to the existence or fate of anarchists in any other isola that took part in the world revolution. Cpt_Obvious posted:Relatedly, there does seem to be a curious omission in the political landscape of Disco Elysium: anarchy. I thought this omission was conspicuous as well, especially when trying to find a leftist critique of the Claire's authoritarian strongman tactics. But I also accept the game's explanation for why there's so little anarchist discourse left in that world: because the purging of anarchists was so brutally successful that they've all but disappeared from the political scene. There's also a possible implicit critique that the game's writers are making that anarchism's aversion to coercive power makes them less viable/popular/able to resist violent opposition. I don't recall seeing a lot of references to the Skulls that made me think of them as a political anarchist organization. They do seem pretty anti-authoritarian, sure, but they also seem to engage in brand gatekeeping, and it's not like they were known for their mutual aid networks and concern for their communities. Maybe I missed those references. I do remember the Communist book club saying they share the space with Cindy, which might be a reference to a nascent coalition forming between the Mazovians and the anarchists. edit: It's also great that in the political discourse in the game, the looming existential threat of a rapidly growing Pale is not something that is addressed. Of course, the only known possible solution is anarchic dancing. Caufman fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 4, 2022 |
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dead gay comedy forums posted:so, one of the first post-DE RPGs got released - Citizen Sleeper was announced something like not too long after the original DE and it's part of its school so to speak No half light or electrochemistry 0/10 poo poo bootleg cashgrab
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I will play every discolike, which I believe at the moment is just that one and Clam Man 2 which doesn't have a release date yet
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Norco gave me some DE vibes what little I played of it
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Gaius Marius posted:Norco gave me some DE vibes what little I played of it I only know Norco as a brand of hydrocodone/ acetaminophen, which lol. (from my pharmacy tech days, mind you.)
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Epic High Five posted:I will play every discolike, which I believe at the moment is just that one and Clam Man 2 which doesn't have a release date yet There's also Vampire: The Masquerade - Heartless Lullaby, which was made for a game jam and is being developed into a full game. It's on Steam if you want to play it.
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Anyone have any experience with Gamedec? It looks interesting, another detective RPG without combat, but I have to admit that the idea of solving video game related crimes and mysteries sounds a little... silly.
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star eater posted:i bullied my friend into playing this finally and he’s enjoying it. i only did because he was being stubborn but it’s right up his alley. Thanks for these. Listening to Woolie while I work and they seem to be pretty funny people.
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In terms of games eliciting DE like feelings, while Cyberpunk 2077 is diametrically the opposite kind of game that DE is, it does touch on a lot of interesting themes of Trauma and recovery. Maybe I'm just imagining it, but having just played DE, some of the characters felt similarly DE-realistic, if that makes any sense. E: Definitely the vibe of living in a place falling apart due to the politics of the age too. E2: I can't help but wonder if some of the designs of the Tarot Cards were inspired by DE. There's some impressive art direction to parts of it, even beyond the technically impressive graphics. Sardonik fucked around with this message at 06:10 on May 5, 2022 |
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Cyberpunk 2077 can't sniff one hundredth of Disco Elysium's poo poo. CDPR, and its army of underpaid writers, wish they released something with anything to say that mattered as much as a single scene in Disco.
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EorayMel posted:No half light or electrochemistry 0/10 poo poo bootleg cashgrab true. let's establish some conventions here RULES OF THE DISCOLIKE: # Must totally have a dopaminergic/mesolimbic reward pathway skill and/or trait to tell you to smoke THE LIVING poo poo out of cigarettes and stuff amphetamines up your butt edit: Electrochemistry is one of the greatest characters ever made in a video game and itself alone has more literary verve than the entirety of last of us
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UP AND ADAM posted:Cyberpunk 2077 can't sniff one hundredth of Disco Elysium's poo poo. CDPR, and its army of underpaid writers, wish they released something with anything to say that mattered as much as a single scene in Disco. Occasionally when your brain is arguing with Keanu Reeves intrusive thoughts and you talk about using cyber drugs and being so pissed off and loving rock and roll and nuking the big evil corporation it feels kind of Disco. But yeah maybe 1/100th as good.
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2077 is well written for a game while Disco Elysium is simply well written.
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space uncle posted:Occasionally when your brain is arguing with Keanu Reeves intrusive thoughts and you talk about using cyber drugs and being so pissed off and loving rock and roll and nuking the big evil corporation it feels kind of Disco. But yeah maybe 1/100th as good. more to the point I think it's the setting being the aftermath of a failed revolution
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It's probably worth mentioning that Citizen Sleeper was made by the same person who did In Other Waters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8kIBYCs5I&t=11s I liked the writing for In Other Waters, but the gameplay is pretty different from Disco Elysium -- much more focused on fiddling with the virtual UI than making dice rolls and modifying stats. There's still a strong focus on atmosphere and writing though. Anyways idk how many people in this thread have played In Other Waters, but it made Citizen Sleeper a day one purchase for me even before I finished Disco Elysium last month 
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i actually thought 2077 was very well-written as far as big budget RPGs go. it looks much better-written than the ubisoft deus ex games, which have plenty of defenders
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a7m2 posted:2077 is well written for a game while Disco Elysium is simply well written.
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hot take, the RCM has an anarchist tinge to it despite being cops
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Joyce Did Nothing Wrong
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Eason the Fifth posted:Joyce Did Nothing Wrong Dios Mio!
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Eason the Fifth posted:Joyce Did Nothing Wrong 
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