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so do we just die when the insects are gone in a few years
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May 5, 2022 23:09
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Samuel Glompers posted:Can microplastics penetrate the pores of the skin, I wonder? When I shower, do the bristles of my plastic scrub brush deposit lil plastic pebbles into each pore? micro, maybe? nano, yes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7920297/#sec2-nanomaterials-11-00496title   as much as i post about this poo poo and speculate, the reality is very little is actually known because biological research is really loving hard and there's just such a vast array of problems, and generally unknown or poor baselines. however ultimately it doesn't take a genius to go "hey yeah this is probably pretty bad" for everything, including humans. but also your individual action doesn't matter here and there's literally zero avoidance. i honestly just don't think much about it in my general day-to-day activities other than wistfully lolling once in awhile at how stupid everything is because it's unavoidable.
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May 5, 2022 23:12
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first move tengen posted:so do we just die when the insects are gone in a few years get ready to be a manual pollinator to feed the rich
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May 5, 2022 23:49
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Cloks posted:get ready to be a manual pollinator to feed the rich Nah, we just turn the poor into Soylent Green to feed the rich.
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May 5, 2022 23:59
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first move tengen posted:so do we just die when the insects are gone in a few years yeah pretty much, more or less. insects are the foundation underpinning the ecosystem. humans can truck along a little awhile without them by burning unholy amounts of fossil fuels, but it's largely just a bandaid to a septic wound
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May 5, 2022 23:59
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God I feel so bad for people with children but at the same time you kind of should have known
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May 6, 2022 00:05
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T-Paine posted:God I feel so bad for people with children but at the same time you kind of should have known yeah it’s gonna be horrible 
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May 6, 2022 00:06
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Xaris posted:micro, maybe? nano, yes. Oh hell yeah, here I was worried about micro and we're going n a n o. Man why fight it. Time to vacuum my cheap ikea rugs with the windows closed and breathe as hard as I can
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May 6, 2022 00:12
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T-Paine posted:God I feel so bad for people with children but at the same time you kind of should have known But people endured worse in the past, so clearly that means signing up to endless hardship imposed by this system for profit, with your reward being someone to bear witness your death by dehydration and bring your emaciated but bloating corpse to the mass grave. I'm exaggerating (I think, I hope...), but that's pretty much the argument I get whenever I remind my parents I'm not having kids and this is why. Sure raising them now is hell, and true hell awaits those kids in the future, but hey I wanted grandkids you gently caress.
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May 6, 2022 00:14
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skooma512 posted:But people endured worse in the past,
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May 6, 2022 00:20
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https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1522354293013159940 we did it
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May 6, 2022 00:29
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don't drink the water, don't you breathe the air
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May 6, 2022 00:35
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just open a window
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May 6, 2022 00:38
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RandomBlue posted:just open a window 
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May 6, 2022 00:51
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5% increase in a decade? weak, sad, we can do better than that c'mon people rev those engines
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May 6, 2022 01:02
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https://twitter.com/RamonaMassachi/status/1522205813628092418?s=20&t=XaHYuvsFN28O2Tx9XhRMTA The only thing this society can plan for in advance is that it is for sure NOT going to do anything about climate change.
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May 6, 2022 01:07
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Number must go up
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May 6, 2022 01:15
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T-Paine posted:I hate this argument, because they shouldn't have had kids during those times either when people make the "Things used to be worse" argument they are usually talking about either their romanticized idea of poo poo like their childhood or frontier times or they are going back to medieval times when we had plagues and mass famines on a more regular basis when there was no modern medicine. Nerds might bring up something like the bronze age collapse. Global biosphere collapse is a mass extinction which humans have never lived through. There was never a point before now where people had their children and then experienced a complete collapse of the global biosphere. Unless you count dinosaurs and trilobites having children.
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May 6, 2022 01:31
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Stupid loving dinosaurs thought we wouldn't finish the job if they got all tiny and cute. Assholes got lucky 66 million years ago, but we're way worse than some dumb asteroid.
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May 6, 2022 01:32
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one massive, plastic, meteor
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May 6, 2022 01:35
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May 6, 2022 01:58
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Rectal Death Adept posted:when people make the "Things used to be worse" argument they are usually talking about either their romanticized idea of poo poo like their childhood or frontier times or they are going back to medieval times when we had plagues and mass famines on a more regular basis when there was no modern medicine. Nerds might bring up something like the bronze age collapse. The people who make this argument are fundamentally incapable of comprehending or admitting that this is what is happening.
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May 6, 2022 02:24
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Hexigrammus posted:I probably shouldn't post about this since when it comes to chaos theory I'm straight outta of the New Guinea bush discussing airport design. There's a school of thought that thinks natural systems are chaotic. A system will "orbit" around a node for a time giving the appearance of stability and balance, then Ya. That's the thing. Projecting equilibrium and order and balance into 'nature' is just theological hangover poo poo. This is (yet another) reason why we just can't grok the scope and scale of this calamity. We have no immediate historical comparison, and all of our folk-metaphors for causality got carried over into the empirical practices at first. It's only pretty recently (late 20c) that we've developed causal models that don't have all kinds of silly Holocene assumptions baked in. ...just in time for us to be able to really understand how totally we have hosed ourselves. Ecosystems reproduce themselves only chaotically. There's no equilibrium, no focal point of balance and order. It's just mutating overshooters overshooting mutating overshooters. That it ever even looked 'balanced' was just a projection from limited anthropocentric timescales, a crude stopgap to try to make the chaos meaningful for us. Unfortunately, practically everyone in environmental politics is still using some kind of folk-concept of 'Nature' to understand our predicament. There is no glorious anprim paradise after this - if capitalism collapsed tomorrow, the biosphere would still be undergoing a mass extinction event and a drastic Post-Holocene phase change, maybe just a little slower and with slightly less of a percentage of overall biodiversity wiped out. skooma512 posted:https://twitter.com/RamonaMassachi/status/1522205813628092418?s=20&t=XaHYuvsFN28O2Tx9XhRMTA Truly incredible stuff. Just tremendous content. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 03:26 on May 6, 2022 |
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May 6, 2022 03:17
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emTme3 posted:Ecosystems reproduce themselves only chaotically. There's no equilibrium, no focal point of balance and order. It's just mutating overshooters overshooting mutating overshooters. That it ever even looked 'balanced' was just a projection from limited anthropocentric timescales, a crude stopgap to try to make the chaos meaningful for us.
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May 6, 2022 03:25
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:most of them are just repeating what other people told them when they, at some point in their lives, said they didn't want children. the amount of people that actually think critically about this poo poo is near zero. If you want a refresher on how much most people are just sleepwalking through life, someone in the COVID thread said they were asked to remove their mask at an airport terminal because it had an exhaust valve on it... after the mask mandate was lifted and the whole line behind them was maskless.
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May 6, 2022 03:28
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Xaris posted:so my nitpick against this is yes, its chaotic, but its chaotic with say a known input of energy (solar radiation) into the snowglobe. natural entropic decay with an constant energy input providing entropic reversal on a thermodynamic-level. on a human-level timescale it's pretty static, resources grow, consumed, and regenerated in a sort of biomass-balance. it is overlapping local overshoots of say a sudden fungus or fox or a weed, but that's more the minutiae. there is overall a thermodynamic balance, and even a sort of ecological balance even if chaotic. what humans did was discovered a secret pocket of hundreds of millions of years of energy tucked away in the closet and in less than a span of a hundred years used it all up to explode in population, like a fox discovering a land of chickens, and we opened it up to disastrous results. the results of the pandoras box of dumping hundreds of millions of years of energy instantaneously ain't going away anytime soon. I would argue that on a long enough timescale, even this overall thermodynamic balance is unstable. It's not that it isn't there, it's that there is no underlying reason for it to be there. It's a pseudo anti-entropic accident, built out of trillions of other little accidents. But ya - there is a planetary photosynthetic energy threshold underneath which no species could ever do a mass extinction event, but we left that behind when capital met fossil fuels. Since then, the only chance for long-term civilizational survival has been to get back under that limit in any way possible - high-tech non-FF sources of energy + long-term planning and conscious downscaling. We're doing the opposite of that, as hard as we can. Fossil fuels were something that a sapient species with a future would have carefully rationed. Hindsight sure is a bitch. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 03:37 on May 6, 2022 |
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May 6, 2022 03:28
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Cup Runneth Over posted:If you want a refresher on how much most people are just sleepwalking through life, someone in the COVID thread said they were asked to remove their mask at an airport terminal because it had an exhaust valve on it... after the mask mandate was lifted and the whole line behind them was maskless. my favorite version of this is people talking or showing off their respirators on reddit, etc and people yelling at them cause YOU ARENT PROTECTING OTHERS and its like ... loving 1/20 people are wearing masks at all now you loving morons.
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May 6, 2022 03:30
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silicone thrills posted:my favorite version of this is people talking or showing off their respirators on reddit, etc and people yelling at them cause YOU ARENT PROTECTING OTHERS and its like ... loving 1/20 people are wearing masks at all now you loving morons. I've never met anyone in real life who gave me poo poo for my respirator because it "wasn't protecting other people" so I do wonder where the gently caress these people are hiding. like plenty of chuds trying to roast me but never any libs libbing at me. are they caving???
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May 6, 2022 03:35
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I've never met anyone in real life who gave me poo poo for my respirator because it "wasn't protecting other people" so I do wonder where the gently caress these people are hiding. like plenty of chuds trying to roast me but never any libs libbing at me. are they caving??? They're too loving weak to say anything off fb and reddit. But also, same. i've never had anyone irl say a word about mine either. Lotta weird looks. alot of wide space on the widewalk but not a word. With all these future wildfires getting worse, we all are gonna want respirators. We're just ahead of the curve.
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May 6, 2022 03:38
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Rime posted:From the AI Art thread: 
Mola Yam has issued a correction as of 04:21 on May 6, 2022 |
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May 6, 2022 04:16
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May 6, 2022 04:29
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silicone thrills posted:With all these future wildfires getting worse, we all are gonna want respirators. We're just ahead of the curve. poo poo you're right about that eh Got any budget rec's? Like $50~100 max ideally
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May 6, 2022 04:33
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May 6, 2022 04:33
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Samuel Glompers posted:poo poo you're right about that eh 3M Secure Click + P100 (Magenta) carts
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May 6, 2022 04:35
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Cloks posted:3M Secure Click + P100 (Magenta) carts Seconded
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May 6, 2022 04:51
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Thirded. https://www.zoro.com/3m-filter-magenta-push-to-connect-pr-d3097/i/G5758086/?q=secureclick https://www.zoro.com/3m-half-mask-respirator-silicone-gray-hf-802sd/i/G5775455/?recommended=true Grainger and digikey also sell them. Dont buy from amazon. They frequently send out fake poo poo because of the way they mix 3rd party vendor goods with genuine goods. Huge issue. Linked a medium mask but there's a small and a large. 3ms website has some measurements you can take to try to get poo poo accurate.
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May 6, 2022 04:57
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I might also recommend that if you buy P100 you also splurge for OV/AG: https://www.zoro.com/3m-combination-cartridgefilter-magenta-pr-d80923/i/G5774667/ better protection from the rain and you can bring them to protests or w/e. and do that thing where you take the mask off and everything suddenly smells really sharp
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May 6, 2022 05:01
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Samuel Glompers posted:poo poo you're right about that eh The covid thread OP has some great resources on respirators. 3m secure click or honeywell 7700 are my two recommendations.
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May 6, 2022 05:03
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Thanks goons 
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May 6, 2022 05:06
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what a great forum. the different communities coming together to help each other is so heartwarming. the people who need a respirator to breathe in the acrid smoke of the endlessly burning dying planet can rely on the advice from the people protecting themselves from the deadly highly transmissible respiratory pandemic spreading unchecked through the population. really makes you optimistic about the future
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