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Fitzy Fitz posted:How would Irv be a therapist if he already has a full-time job? I'm not on team irv is a therapist, but it's possible that he used to be one, but then couldn't practice anymore, so he becomes severed. Then he starts wondering if he can get his severed mind to interact with his normal mind, and starts investigating lumon.
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Khanstant posted:where is anyone getting therapist from? Mark’s sister makes a comment about a therapist with a mustache. I’m not sure why people landed on it being Irv instead of Milchick playing a Ms. Selvig sort of role on the outside. Both seem equally unlikely to me but the latter is a lot more amusing.
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Patricia Arquette is loving incredible in this show. I have never enjoyed a performance I loathed so much. It's on another level. If they ever want to reboot DS9 and re-cast Kai Winn... she's the top pick.
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Vegetable posted:The dance scene reminded me of a very similar scene in Ex Machina. Both are menace and fun in a poppy candy wrapper. Penitent posted:Patricia Arquette is loving incredible in this show. I have never enjoyed a performance I loathed so much. It's on another level. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 2, 2022 |
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May 2, 2022 23:42
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Vegetable posted:The dance scene reminded me of a very similar scene in Ex Machina. Both are menace and fun in a poppy candy wrapper. i'm gonna have to do a big disagree here and say that there is nothing more evilly banal, or banally evil, than the MDE
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Something I caught on re-watch was that Cobel tells Mark S. her mother was an atheist, but Ms. Selvig tells Mark Scout that her mother was Catholic. I can't make any sense of why, but thought it was an interesting little detail.
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Speaking of Patricia Arquette/Cobel. One thing I was a bit confused about, but didn't question enough to bring up was here total 180 on Lumen in the in the last episode. After being fired she goes from "gently caress lumen burn it to the ground" to "we must protect Lumen at all costs" within 2 seconds once she realizes what is going on. Which I chalked up to her having a manic episode or something but it was still a really sudden shift of priorities that came off as strange. I guess at the end of the day she was a true believer even though she was furious about being fired?
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Yeah, I think that's exactly it. She believes in Kier and whatever their whole deal is, Lumen is just the organization with the power and means to scale and advance the Kier agenda... but is still subject to outside forces, capitalist whims, and all sorts of interference from anyone with power along the way. Kier is God and Lumen is the church, and while she is employed by the church, she serves only god. Being fired pisses her off since she is a more zealous disciple, or perceives herself to be, than many of those above her in the hierarchy. She's enraged because Lumen is doing something that she sees as straying from Kier's light, seems to go against Kier's best interest she she has his best interests in mind. As faulty as Lumen is to her, knowing the entire house of cards is at risk of tumbling down sends her into a panic since Lumen is still the best hope Kier ideology has of being advanced.
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Not only that but she probably also believes doing this act of heroism could get her rehired
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Tweak posted:Not only that but she probably also believes doing this act of heroism could get her rehired I thought that too exactly, "gently caress 'em, Mark!" *episode ends* *next episode* oh poo poo MDR are in overtime protocol, I might be able to get my job back! "Praise them!!"
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Cobel is definitely going to them and saying "You fired me and look what happened. I'm the only one who can take care of these children."
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I was bringing up an old movie scene to illustrate a point and I was surprised to find Irv.........! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-xI1384Ry4
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This is it. This is the moment someone says "OMG look, Irv was in Big Lebwoski!" and I feel truly old.  I think when you consider that Cobel tore down her shrine to Kier, she never really thought "I hate Lumon but Kier's still cool." I think she has an agenda, believes her devotion to Kier would get her what she wanted, felt that her firing meant a completely loss of her agenda, and finding a way back into Lumon's good graces would be the only way to get back on track. The devotion was always surface level and, in a way, could be seen as a mirror of real world religious belief. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:38 on May 5, 2022 |
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Perhaps, likely even, but that would mean the shrine is just for show and so far I'm not sure who she would need to see that. Plenty of room for there to be someone for it to be seen by, or a more personal connection with her mother who maybe had the shrine going before she died?
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My thought is Outtie Gemma is brain dead. Ms. Cobel wants to see if Innie Gemma can remember Mark because that would mean Severance could be used to bring back a loved one who is in coma. In other words, I think Gemma is motivated by trying to bring back a loved one. I’m not saying this is right, but it seems to work with what we’ve seen so far.
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Khanstant posted:Perhaps, likely even, but that would mean the shrine is just for show and so far I'm not sure who she would need to see that. Plenty of room for there to be someone for it to be seen by, or a more personal connection with her mother who maybe had the shrine going before she died? ghostwritingduck posted:My thought is Outtie Gemma is brain dead. Ms. Cobel wants to see if Innie Gemma can remember Mark because that would mean Severance could be used to bring back a loved one who is in coma. In other words, I think Gemma is motivated by trying to bring back a loved one. I’m not saying this is right, but it seems to work with what we’ve seen so far.
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ghostwritingduck posted:My thought is Outtie Gemma is brain dead. Ms. Cobel wants to see if Innie Gemma can remember Mark because that would mean Severance could be used to bring back a loved one who is in coma. In other words, I think Gemma is motivated by trying to bring back a loved one. I’m not saying this is right, but it seems to work with what we’ve seen so far. The eventual dilemma for Mark will probably be whether to try to rebuild their relationship or let her go. And maybe a decision about whether to continue being his original self or his new self.
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That definitely seems closest to the truth. It seems like Cobel lost this Charlotte person due something happening that caused them to be put on a breathing tube. The severing chip could possibly have saved Charlotte, or at least puppeted her brain to make her body work. It all depends on what the severance chip really does and what its design goals were. If creating an entirely new personality with no access to the host memories was the goal, then it seems like Cobel is running a rogue project trying to force the chip to do something it was designed not to do. If the lack of access to the host memories was just an unplanned feature of the chip and they don't know how to get it to do that, then her rogue project is probably to show the board that it actually is possible. The former is Lumon knowing the chip could do something, deciding to make it so it couldn't do that, and Cobel is trying to brute force it. The latter is Lumon saying it's not possible, and Cobel trying to prove to them that it is.
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ghostwritingduck posted:My thought is Outtie Gemma is brain dead. Ms. Cobel wants to see if Innie Gemma can remember Mark because that would mean Severance could be used to bring back a loved one who is in coma. In other words, I think Gemma is motivated by trying to bring back a loved one. I’m not saying this is right, but it seems to work with what we’ve seen so far. i would probably bet like 5 actual dollars on this yeah. the accident left her brain dead. that might even be used to explain why she acts so disconnected and weird as an Innie. her brain is not operating at full capacity or whatever.
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veni veni veni posted:It’s a shame we don’t have a mod regular in here so we could all get those sweet sweet gang tags. Just bumping this again just in case there was a chance any mod sees this. Would absolutely love a sweet gang tag for Severance! Maybe Milchak's jazz dance?
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I think someone needs to make one first.
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Cojawfee posted:I think someone needs to make one first. 
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That is asymmetrical.
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withak posted:That is asymmetrical. lol
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Man I just watched all of this over the course of 3 days and it's definitely the most I've enjoyed a TV show in recent memory. I kept my guard up until the very end waiting for them to gently caress it up, and they never did! Really hope they can keep that momentum going in the second season.
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Cojawfee posted:That definitely seems closest to the truth. It seems like Cobel lost this Charlotte person due something happening that caused them to be put on a breathing tube. The severing chip could possibly have saved Charlotte, or at least puppeted her brain to make her body work. It all depends on what the severance chip really does and what its design goals were. If creating an entirely new personality with no access to the host memories was the goal, then it seems like Cobel is running a rogue project trying to force the chip to do something it was designed not to do. If the lack of access to the host memories was just an unplanned feature of the chip and they don't know how to get it to do that, then her rogue project is probably to show the board that it actually is possible. The former is Lumon knowing the chip could do something, deciding to make it so it couldn't do that, and Cobel is trying to brute force it. The latter is Lumon saying it's not possible, and Cobel trying to prove to them that it is. While watching Ms Casey and Mark S together Cobel seems distant when mentioning they can't remember each other while Milchick tries to be reassuring that the chip is working as intended. Now of course the info Milchick is getting might be fake, but that scene could hint at Cobel hoping a brain-dead person could access their old memories while in active severance. I really, really hope season 2 isn't Westworld season 2 where we get Helly battling her immortal dad trying to sever the immortal severance makes the rich guy immortality blaaaah that would suck
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She's clearly pushing them toward remembering, or testing it at least. Like the stolen candle.
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Cojawfee posted:I think someone needs to make one first. From page 39.  E: lol nm right above me
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500 good dogs posted:She's clearly pushing them toward remembering, or testing it at least. Like the stolen candle. I suspect Cobel/Selvig is especially interested in Petey's reintegrating his innie/outie selves because it'd open up the prospect of "resurrecting" Charlotte in some form. If outie Charlotte was comatose/braindead (presumably Gemma is in this state), she could possibly be severed/reanimated as an innie like Ms. Casey, and have her outie memories reintegrated into her innie form, giving Cobel/Selvig a chance to reunite with Charlotte. Similarly, Ms. Casey could possibly have her outie memories reintegrated, effectively bringing back Gemma. Both would be full-time innies, but with full access to their outie memories and personality. ardiem fucked around with this message at 17:15 on May 8, 2022 |
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Binged the show over the last 24 hours basically and I already know that I'll have a hard time sleeping tonight. Jesus. I guess I don't have anything meaningful to add that hasn't been written over the course of the season, but let me say this - this was the most horrifying shot of the whole season for me.  also,  
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Did anyone ever refer to Ms. Casey by a first name? I’m wondering why didn’t they give her the “normal” innie name of Gemma S. Was it maybe because she was more on the administrative side of Lumon rather than a typical worker, like Mr. Milchek/Mr. Graner/etc.?
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Electric Sugar posted:Did anyone ever refer to Ms. Casey by a first name? yeah i think calling her Miss Casey instead of Gemma S. is part of a play on her whole character being a weird alien HR person, because HR people are always "Miss Karen" or whatever
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Thoughts on the number sorting: If they can sort the files to 100%, would that not mean that the company already knows where (or at least how many) the “bad” numbers are? Then would that mean their work is arbitrary and completely meaningless?
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latinotwink1997 posted:Thoughts on the number sorting: Maybe it's sort of like trying to count inventory? I have a friend who's responsible for counting inventory in a warehouse and gets evaluated on his accuracy once every quarter. He was saying recently he got scored 97% consistency, and someone asked him to clarify, asking "How does the system know how accurate you are if you're the one reporting the inventory?" He asked his supervisors because he wasn't sure, and apparently it's as simple as "the computer thinks we have x, so how close is my number to x?" But then that of course doesn't account for theft, product misplacement or a myriad of other real-world things that can happen, and also kind of places the blame on him in a weird way if a bunch of one product suddenly turns up missing during a count. Don't ask me to figure out how that situation directly correlates to MDR, but when it comes to considering the paradoxical loophole trying to evaluate their job performance, that already exists all over the real world so I'm willing to look past it.
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