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Yeah I love trashy romance stuff but I can admit there are some YIKESAROO stuff in regards to race, gender, sexuality and such. There are a fair number of romance novel readers who call out the problematic stuff though. A fair number of romance novels did have the male villain be bisexual because eww gays. Technically not Youtube but the blog Smart Bitches, Trashy Books reviews romance novels/manga.
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May 6, 2022 23:12
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LanceHunter posted:Starship Troopers was one of Heinlein's juveniles. It was specifically written to be part of that line (but was rejected by the publisher). You've got your timeline mixed up here. It was eventually published in a pulp magazine as a two-parter that'd been rewritten. So it's sort of a juvenile, but also not really - and more to my point, it was rewritten to be more deliberately provocative, in line with all of his subsequent work. Interestingly, this conversation made me go look at Expanded Universes, because I seemed to remember that it covers Starship Troopers, and one thing that jumped out to me was this: Heinlein, in response to critics at the time posted:“Veteran” does not mean in English dictionaries or in this novel solely a person who has served in military forces. I concede that in commonest usage today it means a war veteran... but no one hesitates to speak of a veteran fireman or a veteran school teacher. In STARSHIP TROOPERS it is stated flatly and more than once that nineteen out of twenty veterans are not military veterans. Instead, 95% of voters are what we call today “former members of federal civil service.” BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 23:31 on May 6, 2022 |
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May 6, 2022 23:20
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May 6, 2022 23:29
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My favorite heinlein thing is how in one of Philip k dick’s novels, after Philip k dick (the character in the book, who is also pkd the real life author) gets canceled by the Illuminati for trying to speak the truth about the alien god satellite trying to tell him the secrets of the universe in his dreams, he’s informed by the main character that heinlein has been hired to ghostwrite the rest of PKD’s literary career to hide the fact that he’s going to be executed, and they all spend like a page dunking on heinlein for being a hack
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May 6, 2022 23:48
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PkD owns bones and deserved better.
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May 7, 2022 00:33
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fun hater posted:twilight apologism is the most pathetic poo poo; its a grotesque exploration of what misogynistic mormon tradwives consider romantic. this is like saying backlash against barbie doll body proportions was to poo poo on something girls liked Like men, women can also like problematic stuff. It’s absolutely okay
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May 7, 2022 00:45
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Nuns with Guns posted:Twilight was messy, gross, and problematic in a lot of ways around race, gender, relationship dynamics, etc. It’s not out of bounds and honestly pretty tame as far as trashy romance stuff goes, and yeah a lot of the flak was because it was a trashy romance that got inexplicably big and was mostly read by teen girls and housewives. And even the problematic stuff you could sort of overlook save for things like "imprinting" and "So do I call you Dad now?" The weird digging in of heels bits.
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May 7, 2022 01:22
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CelticPredator posted:Like men, women can also like problematic stuff. what a condencending thing to say to me lol
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May 7, 2022 01:25
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i feel a little confused as to how "this book aimed at teenage girls is hosed" became "they only hate it bc teen girls like it!" like yeah, thats the problem. meyers filled a vacuum in teen fiction with vapid misogynistic garbage.
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May 7, 2022 01:31
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Violet_Sky posted:Yeah I love trashy romance stuff but I can admit there are some YIKESAROO stuff in regards to race, gender, sexuality and such. There are a fair number of romance novel readers who call out the problematic stuff though. A fair number of romance novels did have the male villain be bisexual because eww gays. Oh yeah, YA and Romance can be chock-full of YIKES content. The “Romantic/Sexy Kidnapping” is still a super popular trope! I just can’t throw stones because I love manga and hoo boy there’s some heinous manga out there
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May 7, 2022 01:31
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fun hater posted:i feel a little confused as to how "this book aimed at teenage girls is hosed" became "they only hate it bc teen girls like it!" like yeah, thats the problem. meyers filled a vacuum in teen fiction with vapid misogynistic garbage. You would be surprised how often something is hated solely because it's aimed at girls, regardless of its quality.
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May 7, 2022 01:44
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fun hater posted:i feel a little confused as to how "this book aimed at teenage girls is hosed" became "they only hate it bc teen girls like it!" like yeah, thats the problem. meyers filled a vacuum in teen fiction with vapid misogynistic garbage. I’m just saying it’s not a big deal lol. Dudes love to watch poo poo that’s jingoistic and action packed with hot sexy ladies with no character and it’s considered normal-ish. It’s cool if women dig problematic drivel
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May 7, 2022 01:48
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CelticPredator posted:I’m just saying it’s not a big deal lol. if this were aimed at teen boys i would also think it was bad enough to complain about a lot. just because its normal doesnt mean its good
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May 7, 2022 02:05
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"why do people complain so much about Rise of the Shield Hero, just let boys enjoy things lol"
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May 7, 2022 02:05
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CelticPredator posted:I’m just saying it’s not a big deal lol. I'm OK with this interpretation, but that is simply not the case. "Holy poo poo this is sexist" is a huge part of talk around male-aimed stuff that, uh, is sexist. Letting people enjoy lovely and problematic things, as long as they understand that they should form the basis of any personal understanding of the world, is a fine position. But pointing out the glaring problems of fiction and fictional worlds is moooostly what the people this thread is about do.
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May 7, 2022 02:08
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Yeah I’m not against that. I didn’t get super deep with it. Twilight is something a lot of women like, even though it’s problematic. It has however been yelled at for years for it’s existence because it made vampires lame and girly. When I sometimes hear women talk about it on a podcast or something they seem to just enjoy it despite its bad issues. So I guess I think it should be talked about but it shouldn’t be something that people can’t like because it’s bad. I guess that was my point.
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May 7, 2022 02:13
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Hbomb fights for the honor of his pancakes https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/1522746022463688706
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May 7, 2022 02:16
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Most non internet poisoned people only remember twilight as " that movie where Pattinson is a vampire who sparkles at night, loving lmao" that still haunts him even when he's now broody old batman. So that's the part that is general sexism against teen girl media, a valid read. Most people (who did not read or watch them and whose exposure are trailers and bad comedian jokes) don't even know about him standing outside the window or the weird dog imprint poo poo and I doubt they are thinking about those when they say twilight sucks
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May 7, 2022 02:19
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I mean, not really, but also sort of. Dude I hope that your cancer stays the gently caress in remission, at least some of your bullshit clears up, and you make it through whatever dumb poo poo the government has in store for the crime of not being able to do things. It's completely bonkers how many hurdles get thrown in front of people who have already been curbstomped by life.
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May 7, 2022 02:20
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Garrand posted:Hbomb fights for the honor of his pancakes This is the content I come here for.
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May 7, 2022 02:22
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It's fun to learn via the Shrieking Shack that Edward's creepy "watching Bella sleep" moment is actually because he had an intrusive thought and felt compelled to go make sure she didn't get hit by a meteor
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May 7, 2022 02:25
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Garrand posted:Hbomb fights for the honor of his pancakes Is a British pancake usually that thin and large or is this part of the joke?
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May 7, 2022 02:26
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Sydin posted:Is a British pancake usually that thin and large or is this part of the joke? from my experience, what the british call a pancake is more commonly known as a crepe to the rest of the world
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May 7, 2022 02:30
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Sydin posted:Is a British pancake usually that thin and large or is this part of the joke? Yes and they also don't use maple syrup because they're perverts. e- they use Golden Syrup or lemon juice with sugar or orange juice etc. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 02:36 on May 7, 2022 |
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May 7, 2022 02:33
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Pigbuster posted:It's fun to learn via the Shrieking Shack that Edward's creepy "watching Bella sleep" moment is actually because he had an intrusive thought and felt compelled to go make sure she didn't get hit by a meteor Oh god, you can still get existential dread like that as a vampire? Man, gently caress immortality.
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May 7, 2022 02:35
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Pigbuster posted:It's fun to learn via the Shrieking Shack that Edward's creepy "watching Bella sleep" moment is actually because he had an intrusive thought and felt compelled to go make sure she didn't get hit by a meteor girls are always doing that
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May 7, 2022 02:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_9mND2Hsc Look, I'm only halfway through this video but it's real good. SulMatul makes excellent videos and We Know The Devil is something exquisite.
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May 7, 2022 02:38
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CelticPredator posted:I’m just saying it’s not a big deal lol. True. I would say (not as an argument, but as an addendum) that around that same time as Twilight was at the height of its popularity, lots of people criticized the Michael Bay's Transformers films for various -isms. Really, stuff like Twilight and even 50 Shades is really tame compared to something like, say, Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty Quartet.
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May 7, 2022 02:41
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Dawgstar posted:And even the problematic stuff you could sort of overlook save for things like "imprinting" and "So do I call you Dad now?" The weird digging in of heels bits. Was the "So do I call you dad now?" in the book itself or was it one of the jokey asides the last movie added because they were kind of at that point with the adaption? The imprinting itself is bad but like, we do live in a world with all that poo poo around the Omegaverse and the strange pheromone-driven lust. It's fringe as a semi-cohesive genre but a pretty straightforward conclusion to reach any time you try doing trashy romance involving magic wolves or whatever.
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May 7, 2022 02:48
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Alaois posted:from my experience, what the british call a pancake is more commonly known as a crepe to the rest of the world Ah okay then yeah, that makes more sense. Thanks. Nuns with Guns posted:Yes and they also don't use maple syrup because they're perverts. I've never actually tried lemon juice on a crepe but it might actually work well to balance out the sweetness a bit, I might try this the next time I make some.
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May 7, 2022 02:54
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as a colonial i can vouch for growing up with thin pancakes dressed with sugar and lemon juice as a height of decadence exceeded only by the viennetta.
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May 7, 2022 03:23
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Ghostlight posted:as a colonial i can vouch for growing up with thin pancakes dressed with sugar and lemon juice as a height of decadence exceeded only by the viennetta. gently caress yes. So delicious.
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May 7, 2022 03:59
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Nuns with Guns posted:Was the "So do I call you dad now?" in the book itself or was it one of the jokey asides the last movie added because they were kind of at that point with the adaption? The imprinting itself is bad but like, we do live in a world with all that poo poo around the Omegaverse and the strange pheromone-driven lust. It's fringe as a semi-cohesive genre but a pretty straightforward conclusion to reach any time you try doing trashy romance involving magic wolves or whatever. Well the line was in the movie but I think it was Caravan of Garbage talking about in both versions it could have almost been okay but they kept shooting them selves in the foot with stuff like that. They didn’t let you gloss over it.
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May 7, 2022 05:51
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Could someone tell me what political affiliations SF Debris has? I question it because sometimes when I watch his videos and it turns to the explicitly political parts of science fiction pre 2016 it gets into some weird centrist stuff? I wonder if he has changed because so far from what I have been watching of his stuff it's mainly analysis of cultures and psychology sci fi uses.
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May 7, 2022 09:11
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Don't let the French (or chefs) catch you calling European-style* pancakes crepes lol. The thickness is fairly different and so is the consistency. I love both though. Usually eat mine with blueberry jam or bacon. Or both, it's a good combo. * I know it's not completely unanimous across the continent but close enough
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May 7, 2022 09:36
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Garrand posted:Hbomb fights for the honor of his pancakes Hbomberguy is the HowToBasic guy? Who knew!? (  )
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May 7, 2022 09:43
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Yes, most of us Brits basically have no loving clue how to make pancakes. That's why we only attempt to make them once a year.
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May 7, 2022 10:01
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It's easy. You just make a yorkshire pudding, but flat instead of tall.
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May 7, 2022 10:03
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Lotus Aura posted:It's easy. You just make a yorkshire pudding, but flat instead of tall. You'd think it would translate over, wouldn't you? Also we say "American-style" pancakes to refer to what everyone else would just call a pancake. That's how rubbish we are at them.
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May 7, 2022 10:13
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Kim Justice posted:Yes, most of us Brits basically have no loving clue how to make pancakes. That's why we only attempt to make them once a year. How though? They're easy as piss. Do you only do them on Shrove Tuesday or something?
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May 7, 2022 10:26
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