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Affi posted:Then everyone is just going to bitch and moon about it. 
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NewMars posted:Also if we have a university on the moon, we call call it a mooniversity. Although as pointed out on the discord, that risks us getting swamped with luna-grads. It wouldn’t be a whole separate university, just a satellite campus.
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June 3, 1985 A British state-run shipping firm commissions the three-masted barque Windjammer, to be operated in revenue service for nonperishable bulk cargo. The ship, which features a duranium-alloy hull and a few other Trans-Newtonian elements incorporated into her design, is equal parts publicity stunt and experiment. While there are actually still a small number of sailing ships operating in this role (the economic collapse wrought by the GRW made them briefly viable again, and not all of them have been retired since), no new vessels have been constructed in many years now, and this will be the first commercial sailing vessel to use TNEs in its construction. June 8, 1985 A meeting occurs between Comintern diplomats and the 'Joint Advisory Council' which acts as the governing body of McMurdo Station. McMurdo - along with the adjacent Scott Base and the scattering of post-GRW construction between them - is the largest permanent settlement on the Antarctic continent, and the only one which even approaches true self-sufficiency, with a pre-GRW nuclear reactor providing all the heat and electricity they could ever want and huge greenhouses supplying food to the nearly 3,000 people living there. This has allowed them to retain some degree of independence, a situation everyone involved knows cannot possibly last. Even assuming they had access to the raw materials needed to maintain all of their machinery and buildings, they don't have the industrial capacity to use those materials or enough population to develop that capacity. Running a functioning, modern industrial society with less than 3000 people would be near-impossible in the Garden of Eden, it's an absurd fantasy on a frozen desert. Honestly, it's a little strange it even exists at all, and while the diplomats try to work out an agreement whereby the station will accept Comintern authority, they also attempt to ascertain the status and condition of the station, and if it's received any outside help you don't know about - or supplied anyone else outside help you don't know about. Unfortunately, the place is too small and isolated for sneaking around to be viable, and the locals are rather tight-lipped. Your teams do locate a crashed C-130 transport aircraft buried in the ice about 15 miles outside of the town, stripped down to bare hull with everything of value removed. The Advisory Council, when asked, cannot recall such an aircraft crashing there. The aircraft's markings identify it as belonging to a USAF squadron that defected to the Joint Chiefs after the Allegheny Uprising. It looks like it's been there a while. When presented with an offer of Comintern observer status for their polity, the locals make a counter-offer - they request membership in the North American Forum, their justification being that they are an independent state with direct legal continuity from the former United States government. Such decisions can't be made unilaterally by the diplomatic team, but they agree to pass the offer up the line. June 14, 1985 The Hawaiian 'deep-sea Trans-Newtonian mining ship' Glomar Explorer, with a joint crew of HRSA and Comintern scientists, arrives at a point identified by your orbital surveys as the location of possible anomalous TNE concentrations on the seafloor, in the Pacific Ocean east of Tonga. June 15, 1985 Observation by remote-operated vehicle confirms the presence of artificial debris on the seafloor at the Tonga site. The object is badly mangled and appears to be a fragment of a larger spacecraft, not a complete vehicle. Efforts to raise it will begin immediately. June 17, 1985 While the Glomar Explorer is attempting to raise the wreck at the Tonga site, the debris breaks in half and falls back to the seafloor. One of the broken halves is successfully raised a few hours later, followed by the second a few hours after that. June 22, 1985 The Tonga debris is placed into quarantine at Pearl Harbor, where it will be studied and catalogued. June 25, 1985  Administrator DagPenge, who has played an important role in the development of the Comintern's infant bureaucracy, hosts a conference bringing together the leadership of the Comintern's new health ministry and the equivalent government agencies of several major member polities, to discuss greater integration and policy standardization. The meeting is not entirely harmonious but ultimately fruitful. June 30, 1985  Selection for the archaeology teams who will be deployed to Cydonia is complete, and their equipment is ready. They now only await a ship capable of transporting them there, which should be ready in a few months. Until then, they will content themselves with practice. They will practice everything they might possibly be called on to do, again and again, until they can do it in their sleep - and then a few hundred more times for good measure. July 2, 1985 Chilean scientists publish a preliminary report on a study in which they claim to have successfully replicated the results of the Psychonaut Corp's sleep experiments, and confirmed that humans can perceive fluctuations in Trans-Newtonian fluidspace. July 8, 1985  The AAA commission yet another freighter for the now extremely busy Earth-Luna route. The AAA Minerva's Wisdom is named after Sol's most distant planet, which has captivated the public's imagination for years - only more so now that a crew of intrepid human explorers is speeding towards it. In addition, another surface-to-orbit railgun battery comes online. The anti-ballistic missile shield will achieve full global coverage in less than a month. July 11, 1985  The Vasilyev design bureau reports that its improved command and control suite - a complex system of computer hardware, network infrastructure, software, organizational methods, and standard procedures, developed over the course of several years and integrating ideas and concepts from thousands of contributors - is ready for implementation. The new Bureaus and Ministries being established by the Comintern provide the legal framework for unified, planet-scale administration; this will provide the logistical capability to actually do it.  As voted on when you first chose to research this technology (some time ago now), construction immediately begins on state-of-the-art, Cybersyn-enabled administrative facilities which can serve as regional headquarters for Comintern administration, and upgrades to the global communications network to allow them to share the enormous quantities of information that will be needed.  Laboratories are reassigned as needed. July 14, 1985 After a month of thorough investigation, the joint Hawaiian-MOSA team releases a report on the debris recovered from the Tonga site. Total mass is about 400 tons. Notable is what the team are quite certain is a weapon system - specifically, a simple, low-power coilgun on a turreted mount, almost completely intact. The weapon, if it is indeed a weapon, would only be capable of delivering a small fraction of the power of our existing railgun designs, though with a faster rate of fire, greater accuracy, and extremely low power usage. A hypothesis has been advanced that this is some sort of point defense weapon for a larger vessel, and that this debris may even be part of the ship the Japanese recovered several years ago. While the design is far in advance of anything we can build, it operates on principles known to us, and should be simple to reverse-engineer if we so choose. A more important discovery than the weapon is the computer controlling it, or what we assume to be that, anyway. Not only is it intact, it still has a tiny amount of power, drawn from what is clearly a battery - some sort of emergency or backup power source, presumably. We may be able to interface with it, and gain valuable insight into these beings we still know so little about. Unfortunately it does not have a screen or any obvious user interface, but it's still a significant find. July 17, 1985  The three ships of the Third Patrol Squadron are launched. The legislative mandate was for ten ships by the end of this year, so one final vessel is laid down. As the fleet is divided into three squadrons, the tenth ship will serve as a training and familiarization vessel, as well as a reserve ship that can fill in for any of the other nine if needed. July 26, 1985  The fortified subterranean facility in which Orbital Defense Command Melbourne is located is shut down and evacuated, with operations temporarily transferred to the backup facility, after both the ventilation systems and the backup ventilation systems fail, and the monitoring and diagnostic systems which should have reported a problem. Several personnel on duty are exposed to near-fatal buildups of carbon monoxide. Modifications will be made to all ODC facility designs to incorporate additional redundant ventilation and air-scrubbing systems and more detectors - it is imperative that these facilities be operational at all times. SPECTRE is investigating the incident as possible reactionary sabotage. July 30, 1985  The Krusenstern sends back photographs of distant Minerva, the first time the dim, distant object has been directly imaged by human observers. They're still over a month away, and the object resolves as a faint, sapphire-blue dot.
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May 8, 2022 09:35
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If the JAC wants to join the NAF why not kick the can and let NAF decide if they can join. Also is the JAC another America? Considering how even in the present on the larger antartic bases that more like college campuses isolation and boredom during the winter are huge issues I think we might be able to get some info in exchange for crates of media. And booze. We could also offer setting up a statite over the continent and downlink terminals (alongside SAP libraries and entertainment centers) in exchange for official support.
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May 8, 2022 12:23
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Mister Bates posted:A more important discovery than the weapon is the computer controlling it, or what we assume to be that, anyway. Not only is it intact, it still has a tiny amount of power, drawn from what is clearly a battery - some sort of emergency or backup power source, presumably. We may be able to interface with it, and gain valuable insight into these beings we still know so little about. Object A Report posted:The four seats in the cockpit have a variety of what we believe to be computerized instrumentation; disassembly of an intact display panel for one of these instruments revealed it to be a very sophisticated version of a ‘Liquid Crystal Display’. Hm, it might be possible to splice this intact computer to an intact display system from the the Roswell craft.
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May 8, 2022 13:12
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If we do study this computer, it must be done in a way that separates it from our computer networks. If not already done, it should immediately be placed in a faraday cage.
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May 8, 2022 16:03
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idhrendur posted:If we do study this computer, it must be done in a way that separates it from our computer networks. If not already done, it should immediately be placed in a faraday cage. Absolutely this. If we start tinkering with it, I don't want us to accidentally activate some sort of emergency transponder that screams its location to whoever it belongs to (or God forbid, whoever shot it down). This assumes it even transmits using the EM spectrum and not gravitons or FTL waves in 4D-Space or some other witchcraft, but a Faraday cage is better than nothing.
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May 8, 2022 16:18
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As for the antarctic proposal, I'm thinking no. Literally everything else aside, the regional forums are strictly geographical organizations.
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May 8, 2022 16:31
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Yeah you can't join the North American Forum if you're not in North America. Even if you aren't a front for some of our most wanted enemies.
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May 8, 2022 17:34
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It does raise the question of which forum they would be entitled to join. An Antarctic forum isn't really on the to-do list, though it is its own continent. South America maybe?
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May 8, 2022 17:54
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Agree it feels weird to let them join the North American Forum. Do we have any material interest or need in Antarctica (aside from figuring out what happened with the queen/joint chiefs)? I'm kinda tempted to counter-offer to sponsor them into setting themselves up as the custodians of the Antarctic, with all that entails.
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May 8, 2022 18:53
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Mister Bates posted:Your teams do locate a crashed C-130 transport aircraft buried in the ice about 15 miles outside of the town, stripped down to bare hull with everything of value removed. The Advisory Council, when asked, cannot recall such an aircraft crashing there. The aircraft's markings identify it as belonging to a USAF squadron that defected to the Joint Chiefs after the Allegheny Uprising. It looks like it's been there a while. For those who aren't aware, this could be a reference to JD321, an LC130 that crashed on takeoff in 1971. Don't know if this is necessarily the same one.
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May 8, 2022 19:03
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Innocent_Bystander posted:It does raise the question of which forum they would be entitled to join. Something Awful, but it doesn't exist yet. Offer amnesty, a million rubles, and transport to wherever they'd like for anyone willing to tell us whatever people are keeping tight lipped about. Whatever government they've got going on down there doesn't have anything we want outside of information, and we don't need whoever is "officially" in charge to get it. They can sign up for the comintern or pound sand.
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May 8, 2022 21:44
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paragon1 posted:Something Awful, but it doesn't exist yet. I beg to disagree. They managed to survive in one of the harshest environments known to man this side of the Kármán-line. They must have some serious experience when it comes to actually managing sealed habitats with little to no resupply from the outside. Allowing them to apply for the North American Forum, not join, would be advantageous for us. It is a cheap gesture of goodwill and devolve the actual decision wheatear they are allowed to join the NAF to this body.
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May 8, 2022 22:28
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I think we should shoot for a Martian Colony by the year 1990.
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May 9, 2022 01:42
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Are high frontier style colonial megastructures possible? Classically I would suggest those before ventures outside Earth's gravity well
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May 9, 2022 03:13
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atelier morgan posted:Are high frontier style colonial megastructures possible? Classically I would suggest those before ventures outside Earth's gravity well Well, I mean... we already have well over a million people living on the Moon. The cat's a bit out of the bag via a vis colonizing outside Earth's gravity well. That said, O'Neill Cylinders are totally a thing in this game. We're currently working on a joint venture with Japan to use an aerostat variant design to colonize the Venusian atmosphere!
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May 9, 2022 03:56
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Right now we're just kinda spinning our wheels on the Moon, while doing limited exploration of the outer system. We can be doing more, much more. Like, we should be putting much, much, MUCH more effort into researching FTL travel.
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May 9, 2022 03:59
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With how FTL travel works in aurora, having it wouldn't really help us much.
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May 9, 2022 04:13
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Fivemarks posted:Right now we're just kinda spinning our wheels on the Moon, while doing limited exploration of the outer system. We can be doing more, much more. Like, we should be putting much, much, MUCH more effort into researching FTL travel. sounds a little bourgeois
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Watsonian: it is important that humanity spread out from Earth and the Solar System as a matter of ensuring humankind's survival Doylist: Its Aurora, not doing space colonization in Aurora is stupid.
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Fivemarks posted:Watsonian: it is important that humanity spread out from Earth and the Solar System as a matter of ensuring humankind's survival Marxist:
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If Pushing for further space colonization, when we know that there are possibly hostile aliens with more advanced technology than us living in our corner of the galaxy, is counter revolutionary, than the entirety of MOSA and the COMINTERN's space exploration program is counter revolutionary. If such is the case, then MOSA might as well disband and allow the member nations of the COMINTERN To pursue their own, separate spaceflight programs where they don't have to worry about doctrinaire adherence to theory over practical concerns.
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May 9, 2022 08:29
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A lot of the current potential colonies don't scream a must have for me outside of mining them for resources. I'd be all for sending a colony to the next earth like planet.
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Mars presents the opportunity for building a large scale utopia based on the core values of the Comitern. Luna was a chaotic but ultimately successful rush to colonize but was marred by the apparent infiltration of subversive capitalist forces. With a strong mandate to supply critical infrastructure ahead of the population for Mars. We can apply the ideas of sea steading and enclosed arcology living on a large scale on the dead Marsian surface. In the long-term ideas that seem impossible now can be achieved, such as terraforming. Humanity will outgrow Earth and we will need further space to house everyone and grant them the quality of life that every human deserves. Furthermore, if the Comitern becomes insular, we run the risk of social stagnation. Disparate colonies on far flung worlds that adhere to core communist principles but maintain local governance and loose independence, allow new ideas to take root and be proven or disproven which may be adopted by every other culture within the solar system. I believe Mars is the obvious choice for a planned utopia and we should work towards this goal as a priority.
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May 9, 2022 10:13
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Planets are for suckers (and tourism). Space habitats is where its at.
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May 9, 2022 15:39
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I already set up a space colonization bureau thing. Anyway let's just do it, because space is pretty and crazy megaprojects are very socialist.
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May 9, 2022 15:59
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Rubix Squid posted:Planets are for suckers (and tourism). Space habitats is where its at. So you're saying Space is the Place? 
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Asterite34 posted:Well, I mean... we already have well over a million people living on the Moon. The cat's a bit out of the bag via a vis colonizing outside Earth's gravity well. sphere of influence may have been a better term for describing what i meant then; the moon is largely at the same remove as lagrange points Rubix Squid posted:Planets are for suckers (and tourism). Space habitats is where its at. it seems that TNE distribution might make planetary colonization with all its attendant troubles necessary
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I mean, if we want to cripple our access to TNEs by only doing space colonization, I'm sure that's perfectly fine too. Its not quite Al-Andalus' catastrophic gently caress up, but its still close.
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A thought i had about Antartica and the NAF, if theyre a 'government in exile' then it doesn't matter that they dont have any territory in the US. I mean wasnt the US bases in Antartica technically run by the military? Theyd just be our second acting joint chiefs / president and third? US government in exile. Alternatively they can join the NAF as an observer member or something, where they can participate but can't vote to pass resolutions.
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Might want to check if there's a secret alien outpost under McMurdo.
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Bring some flamethrowers just in case
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atelier morgan posted:it seems that TNE distribution might make planetary colonization with all its attendant troubles necessary Well that is quite rude of them! Though I guess they are making the rocket equation's tyranny a lot easier to deal with.
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I think we need to coordinate a series of nature preserves and parks worldwide.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:I think we need to coordinate a series of nature preserves and parks worldwide. A suggestion was raised in the discord that our long (, long, long) term goal for Earth should be to move as much of the population as possible off-world, move the rest into specially prepared arcologies/space stations/ring station and turn Earth into a garden world, a green and blue jewel among the stars.
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Antilles posted:A suggestion was raised in the discord that our long (, long, long) term goal for Earth should be to move as much of the population as possible off-world, move the rest into specially prepared arcologies/space stations/ring station and turn Earth into a garden world, a green and blue jewel among the stars. Look, if you want to make this a thing that's fine, but don't come crying to me if/when that inspires eco-terrorists to start targeting people who don't move off-world, possibly being lead by the son of a prominent naval commander. I do also want to point out that IIRC we did also begin spearheading a mecha program for good measure too. Just saying 
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Sharing with the thread a map of Antarctic bases that existed at PoD And heres the geodata in a kml file. Edit: cant forget that the Pole of Inaccessibility has a bust of Lenin on a pedestal on the roof of the Soviet
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Communist Zombie posted:Sharing with the thread a map of Antarctic bases that existed at PoD i remember someone saying (in the context of offworld colonies) antarctica is vastly more hospitable than any other planet, and how many people want to live there?
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Dr. Snark posted:Look, if you want to make this a thing that's fine, but don't come crying to me if/when that inspires eco-terrorists to start targeting people who don't move off-world, possibly being lead by the son of a prominent naval commander. I do also want to point out that IIRC we did also begin spearheading a mecha program for good measure too. Just saying 
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