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Absurd Alhazred posted:One of the reasons to use fantastic or futuristic settings is how they give you the freedom to present contemporary criticism in disguise. They should try doing that with Star Trek instead of all the current dreck everyone hates.
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No it's cool and good that they've name dropped musk twice in trek now.
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AceOfFlames posted:I loving can't stand that finale. As bas, as they were, sending them all to be raped in jail, was too far. And they definitely were, Jerry even mentions it in the ending standup segment.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:No it's cool and good that they've name dropped musk twice in trek now. My only regret is that Data’s grandpa’s Tesla wasn’t in self-driving mode when he tried to murder Picard with it.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:No it's cool and good that they've name dropped musk twice in trek now. Earth President Stacy Abrams
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Martman posted:He tells a joke about prison rape while doing a poorly received standup bit at the end. It may be offensive and insensitive but the show is not saying that happened to Jerry... Although it absolutely did. Lawrence Tierney shared a cell block with him, turns out. Jerry never stood a chance.
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A Sometimes Food posted:Nah. Peralta's shenanigan's result in the death of the Prince Regent and Terry becoming King George IV of England?
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Elissimpark posted:Peralta's shenanigan's result in the death of the Prince Regent and Terry becoming King George IV of England? ....I honestly can't see Terry mapping to any Blackadder character. Boyle is 2-4 Baldrick tho
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Amy's a real Malchett (series 2)
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bunnyofdoom posted:....I honestly can't see Terry mapping to any Blackadder character.
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You know there's mentioning that the show contained rape jokes and that's something that didn't age well and then there's making rape jokes in the thread.
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First season of Luke Cage, the corrupt politician antagonist is doing a 'walk among the plebs' with a news crew to pretend she cares about what the people want. Then, as soon as the camera pans away, she turns to her assistant who squirts sanitiser on her hands. All this to show how two-faced and untrustworthy she is. Yeah, through no fault of their own, that did not age well.
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I mean, if you had footage of Trump doing just that it would probably go viral. Or Biden really.
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Isn't Trump already a huge germaphobe?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Isn't Trump already a huge germaphobe? So I've heard, yes.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Isn't Trump already a huge germaphobe? he’s been a well-known germaphobe for so long they make jokes about it in the Bob Hoskins super Mario bros movie from the 90s (where Dennis Hopper is Koopa-Trump)
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RIP to the greatest
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oldpainless posted:RIP to the greatest King Koopa is still alive he's in the upcoming Mario movie.
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I've been making it a thing over the last couple years to watch through classic anime I know I'd like that I missed through having poor access to it over my life--and given my tastes, it's been mostly sci-fi and mecha anime. There's a lot that actually ages extremely well (Evangelion honestly hasn't aged a day), while some are very clearly of their time even if they're still very good (basically every Gundam series). ...but hooooooo boy Gurren Lagann, especially regarding women. The female character designs are something I could forgive as just an element of the medium (Yoko, the flame-bikini girl, is honestly the only really bad one, but she does cast a long shadow), but I can only do that if it's the only sexist element of the show, and it's really not. The worst of it--and definitely the part that stuck out as 'they surely wouldn't do this today' is that Kamina is pretty constantly sexist, and the show never really treats this as a negative part of his character. ...honestly the show doesn't really depict any part of Kamina as being bad, despite him being an abusive idiot, but the sexism made me genuinely uncomfortable with how much it was just allowed to keep happening. Cleretic has a new favorite as of 13:48 on May 10, 2022 |
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Cleretic posted:I've been making it a thing over the last couple years to watch through classic anime I know I'd like that I missed through having poor access to it over my life--and given my tastes, it's been mostly sci-fi and mecha anime. There's a lot that actually ages extremely well (Evangelion honestly hasn't aged a day), while some are very clearly of their time even if they're still very good (basically every Gundam series). Thanks for this. This is how I've felt about it from the start and it makes me feel like I'm going crazy because no one else seems to acknowledge it, even from otherwise progressive feminist anime fans. It's been a long time but I remember a whoooole lot of really gross subtext wrapped up in the show.
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Cleretic posted:I've been making it a thing over the last couple years to watch through classic anime I know I'd like that I missed through having poor access to it over my life--and given my tastes, it's been mostly sci-fi and mecha anime. There's a lot that actually ages extremely well (Evangelion honestly hasn't aged a day), while some are very clearly of their time even if they're still very good (basically every Gundam series). Not even sure about "they wouldn't do this today". A while back I tried out "The Seven Deadly Sins" as Netflix kept pushing it at me and it seemed to have pretty decent ratings. Turns out one running gag in there is that the protagonist guy keeps constantly peeping on, groping, and otherwise sexually harassing one particular female character, with the joke being that she's largely too oblivious to really notice. And that poo poo was made in like 2014.
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Cleretic posted:I've been making it a thing over the last couple years to watch through classic anime I know I'd like that I missed through having poor access to it over my life--and given my tastes, it's been mostly sci-fi and mecha anime. There's a lot that actually ages extremely well (Evangelion honestly hasn't aged a day), while some are very clearly of their time even if they're still very good (basically every Gundam series). Agreed, anime is bad
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oldpainless posted:Agreed, anime is bad Animation is a wonderful medium where you can tell any type of story you can visualize, with techniques and visuals either impossible with live action or prohibitively expensive. It's a real shame the medium mostly exists to sell porn statues to perverts at a billion percent markup.
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OPAONI posted:Animation is … a real shame
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Perestroika posted:Not even sure about "they wouldn't do this today". A while back I tried out "The Seven Deadly Sins" as Netflix kept pushing it at me and it seemed to have pretty decent ratings. Turns out one running gag in there is that the protagonist guy keeps constantly peeping on, groping, and otherwise sexually harassing one particular female character, with the joke being that she's largely too oblivious to really notice. And that poo poo was made in like 2014. Same, for the same reasons - trying to be more open-minded about entertainment and Netflix Originals stuff was mostly pretty good by then. I made it like halfway through the pilot.
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I tried watching Jojo's bizarre adventure because my queer and feminist friends were always raving about it and it was one of the most misogynist things I've ever seen. I googled to see if it gets better in later seasons but any discussion I found was completely dominated by mra types so I'm thinking no.
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yeah no i love jjba but i could not justify this nor could i in good faith ever recommend it to others. it really is just utterly bizarre. it is like metal gear solid in that straightforward explanations of the things that happen in it sound like fake or exaggerated meme versions, and also in that it is Quite Problematic. hell i say i "love" it but i don't love huge parts of it and major things about it, it is THAT kind of "i love that media." if you noped out due to the misogyny you spared yourself the goddamn loving Admirable Nazi character, for instance!
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run on sentience posted:I tried watching Jojo's bizarre adventure because my queer and feminist friends were always raving about it and it was one of the most misogynist things I've ever seen. I googled to see if it gets better in later seasons but any discussion I found was completely dominated by mra types so I'm thinking no. Jojo was another one I hit, and largely falls in that category of 'dated but understandably so'. The first two parts were written in the 80s (when Shonen Jump had some pretty stupid outlooks about female characters) and set in Victorian England and the 1930s respectively. They aren't fantastic at women, and yeah, tried a 'cool Nazi' character they REALLY shouldn't have, although the anime cleans most of it up into clear 'understandable character flaw for the era' territory, and gives a lot more respect to the most prominent woman in part 2 in the process. The show definitely gets way better about women from part 4 onward--you can tell the heart's in the right place in part 3, but Araki sorta painted himself into a corner by writing a story with little to no room for regular female characters. There definitely is a pretty lovely crowd that completely ignores that and just sees it all as Many Men Being Men from those first parts, but I've never actually crossed paths with them and the actual series never really stands with them. I'm way more sour on Gurenn Lagann because it was made in 2007, there were no excuses. Cleretic has a new favorite as of 02:33 on May 11, 2022 |
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THat's part of why I can get past the dumber jokes in Naruto like the Harem Jutsu that really shouldn't work that well given the other characters know that she's a kid doing that move and so severely underage and still find it weirdly hot even when it's Konohamaru trying it on. At least the fights are still solid, the characters are strong (now that sakura is going into medicine she at least has something to do, and Hinata was always great because of her aspiring to be more like Naruto despite her crippling self esteem issues) and the fact that there are only 2 main villains (by which I mean villains that are bad on their own, so Orochimaru and Itachi) means that it avoids DBZ escalation problems. Also some of the dumber jokes still work for me, like the fart joke at the end of the beetle episodes that served as a major Hinata arc was very well executed.
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BioEnchanted posted:At least the fights are still solid, the characters are strong (now that sakura is going into medicine she at least has something to do, and Hinata was always great because of her aspiring to be more like Naruto despite her crippling self esteem issues) and the fact that there are only 2 main villains (by which I mean villains that are bad on their own, so Orochimaru and Itachi) means that it avoids DBZ escalation problems. oh buddy
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Alaois posted:oh buddy OK, I'll add "So far". I know shippuden drops the ball with Sakura and don't know enough about the later villains to talk about escalation, I'm still on the original show, waiting for the characters to finally get a lead on where lil bitch Sasuke ran off to.
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Basically any female character in Naruto gets done dirty by the writer Also he just drops Rock Lee the drunken master and ???
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Cleretic posted:Jojo was another one I hit, and largely falls in that category of 'dated but understandably so'. The first two parts were written in the 80s (when Shonen Jump had some pretty stupid outlooks about female characters) and set in Victorian England and the 1930s respectively. They aren't fantastic at women, and yeah, tried a 'cool Nazi' character they REALLY shouldn't have, although the anime cleans most of it up into clear 'understandable character flaw for the era' territory, and gives a lot more respect to the most prominent woman in part 2 in the process. man I thought I had no idea what the gently caress this jojo's bizarre adventure show people post about is, but now I really don't know what the gently caress jojo's bizarre adventure is
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I though JoJo was wall to wall homoeroticism. Like every meme is massive ripped dudes in various states of clothing damage staring longingly at each other and then licking their highly detailed and meticulously animated lips.
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Splash Attack posted:the salt from the shipping wars at the end of naruto and bleach were hilarious imo I feel like this happens with drat near any show that ever actually ends and resolves its relationship arcs. No wonder that one mangaka whose entire brand is basically 'assholes in relationship dodecahedrons' seems allergic to ever actually ending any stories. (Uresei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2, Inuyasha...) pentyne posted:I though JoJo was wall to wall homoeroticism. This is not inaccurate. Also, posing.
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jojo starts off as a old school fighting manga where they used superpowers to fight vampires. each act follows a new generation of JoJo fighting evil. in the third act that is completely discarded and never comes up again as everyone starts manifesting a tulpa with specific psychic/magic abilities. they’re named after the tarot cards, then egyptian gods, and finally just music bands and songs. by the seventh act the universe has been reset and takes place during the same time period as act 1 but instead of victorian england it’s the wild west and they’re in a horse race. and jesus is involved somehow. the eighth act takes place in the modern era again and the protagonist has four testicles. this is a important plot point.
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Splash Attack posted:by the seventh act the universe has been reset and takes place during the same time period as act 1 but instead of victorian england it’s the wild west and they’re in a horse race. and jesus is involved somehow. One of these is called Steel Ball Run and I can not remember which.
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Splash Attack posted:jojo starts off as a old school fighting manga where they used superpowers to fight vampires. each act follows a new generation of JoJo fighting evil. I was along for the ride until the third act had a lingering shower scene of a 13 year old girl then I kind of noped out and haven't convinced myself to get back to it.
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