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Artelier posted:let's not forget the people cuddling in the i guess totally platonic talking area So if your boss, who's always been chummy with you, says "hey, I order you to come to the bar with me" and starts complaining about his midlife crisis, and there are people kissing in that bar, well that means your boss is sexually harrassing you. It's the only logical conclusion.
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If it's a bar well-known for people to go to hook up, then yeah, maybe.
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May 11, 2022 07:16
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Schwartzcough posted:So if your boss, who's always been chummy with you, says "hey, I order you to come to the bar with me" and starts complaining about his midlife crisis, and there are people kissing in that bar, well that means your boss is sexually harrassing you. It's the only logical conclusion. You must come with me to the bar is already, in and of itself, a harassment violation. If the bar also happens to be known for romantic interludes, it can cross further lines. Your boss ordering you to a candlelit dinner for two is sexual harassment by implication even if they never say verbally "I wanna gently caress you" She also is not, in any way, chummy with Squall. They do not have a friendly rapport and Squall repeatedly tries to maintain professional (or his interpretation of professional) distance which she seeks to undermine at every chance. Squalls reaction to her on learning she isn't his boss anymore is somebody going "oh thank god I don't even need to maintain a facade with this rear end in a top hat anymore"
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May 11, 2022 07:23
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Quistis trespassing on Squall's boundaries is established in like, the very first scene with her, in that little walk as you leave Dr Kadowaki's clinic. It's like. Text. quote:Quistis: "Squall. Is there something on your mind?" Let's not forget the interaction in the Fire Cave. quote:Quistis: "My job is to support you in battle. Everything else is up to you." Not to mention Edea's house (this one's easy to miss, it's one of the Squall / Rinoa / third party member of choice dialogues): quote:Quistis: "This place is beautiful." Don't get me wrong, Squall is also emotionally stunted. But the reading of Quistis using her instructor position over Squall is fair. Artelier fucked around with this message at 09:08 on May 11, 2022 |
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May 11, 2022 09:05
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The original thing yall were arguing about was whether it was alright for squall to be a prick to quistis and like she clearly crosses a bunch of boundaries so yeah, squall telling her to gently caress off is alright. It doesnt really matter if it was makeout point or not
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May 11, 2022 11:20
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Squall shoulda done his teacher. Hes basically an incel
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Vikar Jerome posted:Squall shoulda done his teacher. Hes basically an incel he's volcel and that's what makes him a good gunblade wielder
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May 11, 2022 12:34
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I mean, trying to get into someone's pants is not the only abuse of power that can go down. Pushing his boundaries the way she does and trying to be all cutesy teehee we're friends at him despite his clear discomfort is still bad. Squall was a dick but for an understandable reason even outside his issues. Quistis behaved incredibly inappropriately, but also for understandable reasons because she is also a broken teenager. The school, though, had no excuse for putting said broken teenager in a position of authority.
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May 11, 2022 12:46
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It is funny that Squall is giving the most edgelord 'it's the law of nature, kill or be killed nothing personnel' dialogue in that scene and still ends up being the more reasonable party
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May 11, 2022 12:50
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Squall is right beyond his dickishness at a few points in the game. Like his reactions to the Forest Owls basically being "These idiots are in way over their heads."
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May 11, 2022 12:55
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Squall comes across as well trained but not very well adjusted iirc. Being a child soldier probably does not help with the latter
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May 11, 2022 13:05
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Quistis is pretty hosed up. I always thought I liked her but yeah she’s pretty gross
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May 11, 2022 13:12
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She's mostly just kinda boring tbh.
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jokes posted:Quistis is pretty hosed up. I always thought I liked her but yeah she’s pretty gross i mean, i definitely like her, she's got degenerator
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May 11, 2022 13:23
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SyntheticPolygon posted:She's mostly just kinda boring tbh. FF8character.txt
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May 11, 2022 13:27
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Schwartzcough posted:Yeah, she could've said "come to the classroom, I want to have a talk with you" and it would've basically been the same thing. No it would not have because the classroom doesn't have all the connotations associated with the student secret area to sneak away and neck at night! THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT POST! That the location itself and her decision to have the convo there has inherent implications that you can't just completely ignore. In a narrative choices by characters have implications to their motivations and emotions and location often have meaning behind them, both to the story at large and the characters especially if you're only in a location by a character's direct decision. Setting matters to the meaning of a scene! ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 13:37 on May 11, 2022 |
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May 11, 2022 13:29
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Quistis already had in universe message board defenders. To be fair to Quistis it is still partially Cids fault for pushing her as an instructor right after graduation.Artelier posted:Not to mention Edea's house (this one's easy to miss, it's one of the Squall / Rinoa / third party member of choice dialogues):
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Sakurazuka posted:FF8character.txt yeah 
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Quistis was wrong to do that but as everyone said, the real gently caress-up was promoting Quistis when she wasn't ready, which is basically the MO of how Garden works in doing the dumbest thing possible. Cid is just really lucky Squall is a great soldier and leader and is smart enough to just make him in charge of everything.
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Garden as a whole is completely hosed up and makes no sense, but on the other hand, using motorcycles to do a cool futuristic pirate ship-style boarding of one flying building to another is cool af
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May 11, 2022 14:09
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I like when you go to the basement and kill the Garden's obese angel investor and then that's never really mentioned again
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May 11, 2022 14:11
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I like when you go to the basement and kill the Garden's obese angel investor and then that's never really mentioned again It's briefly mentioned again, but in true FF8 fashion, it's some side mentioned poo poo where you have to haul your rear end back where NORG was, and then to Fishermans Horizon, and even then it's just a "But what's gonna happen?" mention and is otherwise dropped like it never happened.
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May 11, 2022 14:17
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FF8 really is a good game to play when you're ten and can't process just how stupid the plot is or how easy it is to completely break the leveling system by playing a card game
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No Dignity posted:FF8 really is a good game to play when you're ten because of how easy it is to completely break the leveling system by playing a card game ftfy (or for me at least  )Card Mod breaks things so badly you don't even need to worry about how enemy levelling outpaces your own - my first playthrough I beat Omega with everyone at level 100, no sweat
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No Dignity posted:FF8 really is a good game to play when you're ten and can't process just how stupid the plot is or how easy it is to completely break the leveling system by playing a card game FF8 is great at any age because of how brain-breakingly stupid the plot is. It’s a fever dream of color and screaming insanity.
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hopefully FF8R will show us Cid's investor pitch to NORG back when he was seeking funding for the garden fushururu
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I've convinced people to play FFVIII by explaining to them about how Squall will not let anyone talk about him in the past tense!!
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AngryRobotsInc posted:I mean, trying to get into someone's pants is not the only abuse of power that can go down. Pushing his boundaries the way she does and trying to be all cutesy teehee we're friends at him despite his clear discomfort is still bad. Squall was a dick but for an understandable reason even outside his issues. Quistis behaved incredibly inappropriately, but also for understandable reasons because she is also a broken teenager. The school, though, had no excuse for putting said broken teenager in a position of authority. Quistis owns actually. poo poo aint a real school. She wanted that gunblade and she deserved it.
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Quistis should have just retired and become a professional Triple Triad master
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squall is aware hes just a stupid teenager which is why it is really funny when the headmaster steps down and put a confused squall in charge of an entire school of child soldiers lmao
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Artelier posted:I've convinced people to play FFVIII by explaining to them about how Squall will not let anyone talk about him in the past tense!! That has still got to be the most bonkers line in any final fantasy as far as I'm concerned I get that some of it is localization, but like.. dang what a thing to write your main character yelling at everyone about. I did read an interesting post (maybe it was a long time ago here?) about how for all the joking about Squall giving everyone the ole "..." and being a dick to people, there's also a decent chunk of choices where you can pick for him to say something else. It's sort of part of the weirdness of his characterization, he's remembered as being a jerk to everyone and that's true, but it's also partly what the player chose influencing that opinion I haven't played the game in like.. a decade though so I don't remember how true that is
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I mean, let's be serious, what even is the correct protocol when you're an 18-year-old instructor at a high-tech wizard school for child soldiers, and you really think your amnesiac 17-year-old subordinate who you grew up with but have forgotten about needs to loosen up more than a little? What's the professional way to handle that situation?
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, let's be serious, what even is the correct protocol when you're an 18-year-old instructor at a high-tech wizard school for child soldiers, and you really think your amnesiac 17-year-old subordinate who you grew up with but have forgotten about needs to loosen up more than a little? What's the professional way to handle that situation? My first pass at a slightly better response than Quistis to getting Squall to relax, framing it as mercenary skill to improve on: Hey, Squall..I need to speak with you after class. Hey Squall, how are you? Haha, quiet as usual, anyway I just want to say I am really impressed by how well you handled the situation in Dollett. You followed orders and achieved objectives and showed quite a bit of combat prowess, it was truly impressive, however, one area I've noticed you not progressing quite as fast in is interpersonal relationships. As a mercenary you will be in situations where you will have to socialize with the local populace or be on assignment with the same team for a long period of time, and being able to show you can relax and reveal some pointless trivialities about yourself can go a long way in making your teammates and clients trust you. So Squall, for your next assignment, I want you to spend some time with a student. Perhaps the new student Miss Tilmitt, ask about her interests, and share some of yours...in short make friends, maybe give her a tour of the Garden, it will be good training, and I know you won't let it go off the rails. If that feels uncomfortable to you, well I am sure Mr. Dincht would enjoy your company as well. Anyway, you are seriously one of the best Seeds we've seen in a long time, and I think some additional work on interpersonal skills will compliment your already sizeable tactical and combat talent a good deal. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 17:09 on May 11, 2022 |
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lmao at people projecting real world ethics onto a fantasy world that's batshit crazy even by Final Fantasy standards.
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A natural leader.
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They were going to meet outside, but they couldn't because the moon was raining monsters as it does. It was on the weather channel. I think. It's hard to see/hear whats going on because it's 95% The Magic Space Hitler Show. Back in the good old days when you got Local Weather on the 8's because time existed only slightly and linearly.
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Saint Freak posted:They were going to meet outside, but they couldn't because the moon was raining monsters as it does. It was on the weather channel. I think. It's hard to see/hear whats going on because it's 95% The Magic Space Hitler Show. Back in the good old days when you got Local Weather on the 8's because time existed only slightly and linearly. Time Kompression comes for us all I guess
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I like how, even after saying this out loud, Squall thinks to himself "what the hell am I doing??"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsu81wHczk Reposting a short FF8 plot summary video I made a while back when I realized how little I understood of it. Turns out a fair amount of interesting stuff is on computers or off at random NPC conversations out of the way. I actually ended up liking the lore a lot more after actually reading about it, while being even more annoyed about the amnesia and teen angst aspects. The whole Garden concept is goofy but, in the story's ending. adult Squall tells past Edea what will happen: quote:Edea: "You called me Matron. Who...are you?" Who knows if Cid ever questions whether they could be hiring elite grown mercenaries from around the world instead of training this specific kid and have the same outcome, but that gets too close to "why is the RPG party always defeating the boss instead of the much more experienced army of the kingdom they protect" etc. Maybe in FF8R Squall will also whisper the Galbadia Super Bowl champions of the future to explain where Edea gets enough funds to build the gardens.
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