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Rudest Buddhist
May 26, 2005

You only lose what you cling to, bitch.
Fun Shoe
Sweet, another job search comes to a close. Figgies incoming, sign-on bonus too. Negotiating made me an extra 21K for ~15 minutes of work. Everyone through the whole interview process seemed competent and enjoyable.

Even though I mostly lurk this, thread and POS in general kept me sane. Thanks YOSPOS

Excited to leave the start up rollercoaster I’ve been riding the last few months!

Rudest Buddhist fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 6, 2022

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Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

congrats on the figgies

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
ive been way under market rate for a while, and recruiter for hashicorp consul gave a base range that puts me at 160% of current wage and whatever in RSUs on top, so lookin to yotj despite my current position requiring very little effort

i haven't really done a coding interview like, ever though (moved laterally into current position from another department, so the last coding interview i had was someone giving me fizzbuzz in like 2013). what are good options for doing interview practice nowadays? ideally something more geared to "interpret protocol specification and implement" than leetcode "do CS algo on a toy problem" if available

Rudest Buddhist
May 26, 2005

You only lose what you cling to, bitch.
Fun Shoe
I did mostly hackerrank toy problems but most of the coding stuff I did this time around was a lot more “back and forth let’s see how we get along while we tinker and spitball” vs. “solve this problem while I stay mostly silent” like I had in the past. Hopefully you have the same experience!

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
anyone know good/bad stories about slack post salesforce acquisition? recruiter wants to move me to hr round. i’m slinging my resume and work samples together this weekend.

they asked for number, did not give number.

this is for a lead ic role in product design.

i also might pass for now since im facing a cross country move in 2 months and im getting away with resting and vesting in my current role.

cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 04:52 on May 8, 2022

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
my short list of places i want to start slinging to

slack
stripe
shopify
square
google (maybe but i want full remote and they’re very on the in office train)
doordash (maybe but also jfc at how they treat their contract workers)
comedy option, deliveroo

wouldn’t mind sticking around e-commerce, mostly just don’t want to be making dashboards and analytics tools and keep me the hell away from any design system management position. would rather gouge my eyeballs.

cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 8, 2022

a cyberpunk goose
May 21, 2007

i got a cold recruiter email to be a lead android dev for an app for managing pet medication

normally I ignore such things but a part of me needs to know what kind of figgies they can offer me to let people see when to refresh their dogs antidepressants

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

cheese eats mouse posted:

anyone know good/bad stories about slack post salesforce acquisition? recruiter wants to move me to hr round. i’m slinging my resume and work samples together this weekend.

they asked for number, did not give number.

this is for a lead ic role in product design.

i also might pass for now since im facing a cross country move in 2 months and im getting away with resting and vesting in my current role.

i know multiple people who bailed from slack within 2 years. doesnt seem like a great work culture, cant imagine salesforce made it better.

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004


i've a mate who left a senior software engineering manager position (he started as an IC) from a company he was with for about a decade to return to IC working for shopify two years ago or so. he seems to like it well enough, his only real issue is the amount of pointless meetings, but i feel like that's something no one here has ever really been able to escape from

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

cheese eats mouse posted:

anyone know good/bad stories about slack post salesforce acquisition? recruiter wants to move me to hr round. i’m slinging my resume and work samples together this weekend.

they asked for number, did not give number.

this is for a lead ic role in product design.

i also might pass for now since im facing a cross country move in 2 months and im getting away with resting and vesting in my current role.

if you don't mind let me know what number you get if you get there, since salesforce is one of the places I'm looking at and I'm at lead/staff ic level

cheese eats mouse posted:

wouldn’t mind sticking around e-commerce, mostly just don’t want to be making dashboards and analytics tools and keep me the hell away from any design system management position. would rather gouge my eyeballs.

lol one of the reasons I'm looking is our new director wants to put me on framework design

man in the eyeball hat
Dec 23, 2006

Capture the opening of the portal that connects this earth of 3D to one earth of 4D or 5D. Going to the 5D.

Does anyone have experience in hardware startups, and/or any advice on how to gauge the health of a startup? I feel like things are going well from most of the signals up high, like meetings with higher ups at potential customers and our first product in market/production this year. Occasionally I get spooked by someone with a lot of mindshare leaving, but that has slowed down and they're managing to back-fill the positions that were vacant. I'm also nervous that, while I believe very strongly that the tech we develop can succeed, the nature of working with hardware means we'll just be pushed out by one of the companies in our area who have infinite money to throw at an R&D fab.

I'm trying to decide if I want to leave my current role, which I really enjoy aside from being under compensated.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


At the very least you should be doing some research to figure out how undercompensated you are.

man in the eyeball hat
Dec 23, 2006

Capture the opening of the portal that connects this earth of 3D to one earth of 4D or 5D. Going to the 5D.

I turned down an offer at ~30% more total comp than I currently make because I couldn't see myself enjoying the work they wanted me to do. I am talking with another company this next week or two that reached out shortly after I accepted my current role, and the base comp that was quoted back then was ~20% higher than my current rate.

Reviews are supposed to be happening soon, so I'm kinda waiting to see what I can get out of that. If they don't bump me up a pay grade I'm having a hard time justifying the paycut from staying where I am. My ISOs have already begun to vest, so if they hit it big I'll still get something out of it.

man in the eyeball hat fucked around with this message at 16:19 on May 9, 2022

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

man in the eyeball hat posted:

Does anyone have experience in hardware startups, and/or any advice on how to gauge the health of a startup? I feel like things are going well from most of the signals up high, like meetings with higher ups at potential customers and our first product in market/production this year. Occasionally I get spooked by someone with a lot of mindshare leaving, but that has slowed down and they're managing to back-fill the positions that were vacant. I'm also nervous that, while I believe very strongly that the tech we develop can succeed, the nature of working with hardware means we'll just be pushed out by one of the companies in our area who have infinite money to throw at an R&D fab.

I'm trying to decide if I want to leave my current role, which I really enjoy aside from being under compensated.

if you can reach out to anyone you know in the field that the startup is supposed to be helping, it is really useful!

imo the most important things about a startup are how the team feels (try to suss it out in interviews and ask for another interview with someone with your position if you feel unsure) and whether the product is worthwhile. Startups are a lot more challenging work, which can be great if the result feels good and the teamwork gives you energy. But it can be a horrible, terrible slog if your coworkers drain you and the product is a stupid SaaS to help small business tiktokers drive engagement on pinstagram with deep learning or whatever-the-gently caress

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine
"We would like to schedule a followup call with... the new hiring manager for this role."

what a shitshow

for context, this is two days after I went through the final round lol

my homie dhall fucked around with this message at 13:49 on May 10, 2022

big shtick energy
May 27, 2004


man in the eyeball hat posted:

Does anyone have experience in hardware startups, and/or any advice on how to gauge the health of a startup? I feel like things are going well from most of the signals up high, like meetings with higher ups at potential customers and our first product in market/production this year. Occasionally I get spooked by someone with a lot of mindshare leaving, but that has slowed down and they're managing to back-fill the positions that were vacant. I'm also nervous that, while I believe very strongly that the tech we develop can succeed, the nature of working with hardware means we'll just be pushed out by one of the companies in our area who have infinite money to throw at an R&D fab.

I'm trying to decide if I want to leave my current role, which I really enjoy aside from being under compensated.

so this doesn't apply if the hardware is B2B or scientific instruments or whatever, or if you're in some super strongly held niche, but for consumer stuff pre-pandemic the trend is that everyone except apple has negative margins or maybe grocery store margins at best, and in theory will make it back with some kind of subscription. TVs, laptops, video game consoles, and a number of others have been there for a while, but probably more stuff is headed that way. post-pandemic things have gotten harder because all of you components are now going EOL or having 1 year lead times or other crazy chip shortage stuff.

don't worry about a big company out-innovating you though, they're way too busy having meetings about the great TPS Report Renewal Initiative.

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now

qirex posted:

if you don't mind let me know what number you get if you get there, since salesforce is one of the places I'm looking at and I'm at lead/staff ic level

lol one of the reasons I'm looking is our new director wants to put me on framework design

I told em I’ll contact in 3 months mostly cause I’m facing a cross country move in 7 weeks and I just don’t want to handle interviewing and moving stress in the same time frame. plus I need more time to prep my portfolio for prime time.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Corla Plankun posted:

the product is a stupid SaaS to help small business tiktokers drive engagement on pinstagram with deep learning or whatever-the-gently caress

i mean if the product is actually useful and you have some interest the space (you probably shouldnt work with the above if you hate tiktok and people on it with a passion) small business stuff can be quite rewarding, since the person using and buying the product are often the same. working on ENTERPRISE stuff can be a slog since so much effort goes into poo poo that looks good in the sales demo to the bigwig with purchasing authority, while leaving the product largely a pile of crap because "improved UX" or "stops crashing constantly" arent things you can demo, so work on them languishes

man in the eyeball hat
Dec 23, 2006

Capture the opening of the portal that connects this earth of 3D to one earth of 4D or 5D. Going to the 5D.

To clarify, because I think my original post was a bit unclear: I'm at a hardware startup, and I'm curious about how to gauge its health. I'm considering jumping ship to another startup in the area (which is also a hardware-ish startup, but I know what questions I want to ask them). In both places, I would be working on research tools for other non-software-engineer people on the team to use.

DuckConference posted:

so this doesn't apply if the hardware is B2B or scientific instruments or whatever, or if you're in some super strongly held niche, but for consumer stuff pre-pandemic the trend is that everyone except apple has negative margins or maybe grocery store margins at best, and in theory will make it back with some kind of subscription. TVs, laptops, video game consoles, and a number of others have been there for a while, but probably more stuff is headed that way. post-pandemic things have gotten harder because all of you components are now going EOL or having 1 year lead times or other crazy chip shortage stuff.

don't worry about a big company out-innovating you though, they're way too busy having meetings about the great TPS Report Renewal Initiative.

Current place makes hardware for consumer devices, so the fact that it's going to actually be available in some devices this year seems like a very good sign. I know of a large company employs some people who work on stuff similar to what we do, but we also have an engagement with them, so presumably we're doing something right.

Corla Plankun posted:

imo the most important things about a startup are how the team feels (try to suss it out in interviews and ask for another interview with someone with your position if you feel unsure) and whether the product is worthwhile. Startups are a lot more challenging work, which can be great if the result feels good and the teamwork gives you energy. But it can be a horrible, terrible slog if your coworkers drain you and the product is a stupid SaaS to help small business tiktokers drive engagement on pinstagram with deep learning or whatever-the-gently caress

CMYK BLYAT! posted:

i mean if the product is actually useful and you have some interest the space (you probably shouldnt work with the above if you hate tiktok and people on it with a passion) small business stuff can be quite rewarding, since the person using and buying the product are often the same. working on ENTERPRISE stuff can be a slog since so much effort goes into poo poo that looks good in the sales demo to the bigwig with purchasing authority, while leaving the product largely a pile of crap because "improved UX" or "stops crashing constantly" arent things you can demo, so work on them languishes

Neither job is TikTok for Dogs or anything like that. The job I turned down was a SaaS platform that I didn't find interesting, despite them managing the last few years quite well. I know what type of work I find engaging, but the quality of the team is a hard one for me to nail down. My current team is alright, not super social or talkative but they're all very competent and friendly, which is pretty much what I want. I'm concerned the new position might be a poor culture fit, judging by how the "team" page is bragging about how many PhDs they have on staff, mostly from the same research group, and the minimal non-PhD staff is relegated to the very bottom like an afterthought. My experience with some of these people, whom I worked on stuff similar to them in grad school, is that they work themselves to death. I will have a better idea of culture after visiting in the next week or so.

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone
there's a company called Upstart that does AI-driven lending

there's no world in which this is a good thing right? one of their recruiters is hounding me on linkedin but I feel like there's zero chance that this platform is any less predatory than payday loan places right?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
their equity dropped 60% yesterday and 15% today so you dont even need to think about that to say go gently caress off

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


It's always kinda fun to peek under the hood and see just what they're trying to call AI, but this is definitely a don't touch the poop situation.

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

bob dobbs is dead posted:

their equity dropped 60% yesterday and 15% today so you dont even need to think about that to say go gently caress off

lmao incredible

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
average Value channel after HSV transform of applicant's photo i'm guessing

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the fact that they ate so much goddamn poo poo prolly means most of their business was refi, i'm imagining. every refi everything has stopped at a moments notice, snap mass firings, etc because these are the highest rates in a decade and they'll get higher. there's probably for refis a lotta 'did they pay previously' data to actually mine. still wouldnt bet against value channel of hsv of applicant photo

status quo is credit scores, which have that hsv value de facto entered in by hand lol

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 11, 2022

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
i'd been assuming that most lending these days is "ai-driven" in the sense that neural networks end up looking at more credit information than humans

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Corla Plankun posted:

there's a company called Upstart that does AI-driven lending

there's no world in which this is a good thing right? one of their recruiters is hounding me on linkedin but I feel like there's zero chance that this platform is any less predatory than payday loan places right?

if the podcast trashfuture is any indication then any startup with financials is either payday lending or a way to dodge taxes

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
porque no los ambos?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
hmm i’ve been presented with a job. it’s not a guarantee but i’ve worked there before and they contacted me early


it’s a definite sideways move. pros and cons. it’s quite the dilemma

biggest factors are permanent sundays (ugh) but also two days off during week, which if I was a good person could use to also grow career

have a romanticised idea that i’ll be able to make webpages in those days off and somehow leverage that into career change

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

echinopsis posted:

hmm i’ve been presented with a job. it’s not a guarantee but i’ve worked there before and they contacted me early

it’s a definite sideways move. pros and cons. it’s quite the dilemma

biggest factors are permanent sundays (ugh) but also two days off during week, which if I was a good person could use to also grow career

have a romanticised idea that i’ll be able to make webpages in those days off and somehow leverage that into career change

is it a pharm job or a computer touchin job?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
another pharmacy role. which I said I wasn’t going to do, said I was only doing to move if it was not sideways

it’d be out of a small community pharmacy into a much larger mall based pharmacy which has a much higher profile, bigger team, etc


I do wish to move to computer touching at some stage, but I really don’t know if that’s realistic or if I am just dreaming


But I do romantise the idea of using my weekdays off to progress something computer touched wise

tk
Dec 10, 2003

Nap Ghost

echinopsis posted:

another pharmacy role. which I said I wasn’t going to do, said I was only doing to move if it was not sideways

it’d be out of a small community pharmacy into a much larger mall based pharmacy which has a much higher profile, bigger team, etc


I do wish to move to computer touching at some stage, but I really don’t know if that’s realistic or if I am just dreaming


But I do romantise the idea of using my weekdays off to progress something computer touched wise
What things do you need to do before you can get a computer job?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

tk posted:

What things do you need to do before you can get a computer job?

idk, honestly I am clueless. but I have no formal computer education or job experience. I assume (hope) that being a pharmacist probably informs someone that I have some level of capacity for competency at least.

It could well be a long time before a job like a product owner comes up that my experience could be a benefit, because outside of that, how would I enter the scene.

I am prepared to put time and effort into some form
of education or boot camp or whatever, to prove to someone I can do it. I know I “get” computers enough but idk how to convince someone of that.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

do you have like a leetcode or hackerrank or something like that? idk if anyone uses their jobs functions in New Zealand but that might be a way to bypass some early simple filtering.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

echinopsis posted:

idk, honestly I am clueless. but I have no formal computer education or job experience. I assume (hope) that being a pharmacist probably informs someone that I have some level of capacity for competency at least.

It could well be a long time before a job like a product owner comes up that my experience could be a benefit, because outside of that, how would I enter the scene.

I am prepared to put time and effort into some form
of education or boot camp or whatever, to prove to someone I can do it. I know I “get” computers enough but idk how to convince someone of that.

That's why I did a boot camp instead of going the self-taught route. Much easier to get callbacks when you have a credential, even if it is a bootcamp. Along the way I also learned some things that I wouldn't have learned being self-taught, like how to develop software in a team.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
unfortunately I’ll have to do whatever I need to do during my spare time because I can’t really afford to live without full time work.

I’m meeting these people tomorrow night to discuss what’s on the table. I think it’s a step up, I’m in a deep deep comfort zone here and it’ll push me out of that at least. It might be the catalyst toward actually getting off my rear end and doing these things I’m talking about

Mantle posted:

That's why I did a boot camp instead of going the self-taught route. Much easier to get callbacks when you have a credential, even if it is a bootcamp. Along the way I also learned some things that I wouldn't have learned being self-taught, like how to develop software in a team.

that’s good to keep in mind, thanks

hobbesmaster posted:

do you have like a leetcode or hackerrank or something like that? idk if anyone uses their jobs functions in New Zealand but that might be a way to bypass some early simple filtering.

idk what this is but imma look into it, thanks

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


you just gotta get that first job, I'm self taught and I get tons of recruiter contact since I have real exp

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yeah that’s the thing huh. I’m confident I could be competent, but gotta get that foot in the door


I have some level of hope I can get into somewhere in the general field by leveraging my healthcare experience and ability to talk to people, but that also feels like I am just imagining a scenario that doesn’t exist lol

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


You wanna make websites, so make some and put them on your resume. Have you worked on a website today?

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CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

echinopsis posted:

yeah that’s the thing huh. I’m confident I could be competent, but gotta get that foot in the door


I have some level of hope I can get into somewhere in the general field by leveraging my healthcare experience and ability to talk to people, but that also feels like I am just imagining a scenario that doesn’t exist lol

just go do the thing and then tell people about it with a GitHub and a resume and an application to jobs

also I can’t imagine wanting to computer touch so bad that you’d take off those golden handcuffs

I need to buy a jet ski

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