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I grew up on Bill Hicks, and it’s bothersome that he had a bit about how much he loved dating fourteen year-olds (yes, the f-slurs, misogyny and racism were also objectionable, but a lot more common in the late 80’s/early 90’s).
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May 11, 2022 16:24
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sexpig by night posted:yea I'm not gonna pretend Jojo's nazi poo poo isn't not weird because it is but it's really hardly 'sympathetic'. Stroheim is the only Nazi that isn't near instant horror fodder and, yea, his entire character arc is 'oopsen I have empowered das supen vampyres yet again' and the rest of the cast going 'you're objectively the dumbest person here' while he gets mangled. My major memory of that arc is he keeps getting ripped apart, and has to be put back together with Nazi Super Science at an ever increasing level so by the end he's just a robot with a head and the JoJos are shocked he is alive. As for the subject of "nice" Nazis, it's not like it's an uncommon media trope in WW2 dramas. The presentation of some front-line infantry grunt who was drafted at 16 and gets slaughtered on the battlefield weeks later, or the professional concert pianist conscripted into the air force is a tool to represent how the horrors of war and fascism leave no one untouched, even on the 'evil' side. pentyne has a new favorite as of 17:08 on May 11, 2022 |
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May 11, 2022 17:01
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Asterite34 posted:Jojo Part 2's treatment of Nazis is weird, in that it sorta slightly humanizes them a little, like the Nazi who shows the heroes a picture of his girlfriend he's gonna marry next week immediately before he dies like it's a buddy cop movie. I suspect it's less out of any actual fondness for Nazism, and more so that when hordes of them are murdered by an ancient aztec double-vampire, it's horrifying and not just cathartic. Though they're still Nazis so you don't feel THAT bad, it's a cool horror movie moment rather than a "oh the humanity" moment. Japanese media kind of has a history of glossing over WWII war crimes.
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May 11, 2022 17:04
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The school system too. Isn't that what the author blamed the characterization on? He had no idea the depths of the atrocities because it's just not talked about in Japan when he was in school in the 70s and 80s.
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May 11, 2022 17:15
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The Criminal American Imperialist Disruption of the Co-Prosperity Sphere.
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May 11, 2022 17:19
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Perestroika posted:God, that reminds me. A friend had pretty highly recommended a show to me, but I had forgotten the name and only could remember it was "[Noun] Slayer". I saw Goblin Slayer pop up on Netflix, figured it was that, and went into that with pretty high hopes. Turns out it's absolutely horrid rapey trash that was clearly written and drawn one-handed and I noped out half an episode in. Goblin Slayer has Crunchyroll on the production committee - that's a bad sign because they are always involved in rapey anime because apparently that's what the US audience love?
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May 11, 2022 17:31
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Torquemada posted:I grew up on Bill Hicks, and it’s bothersome that he had a bit about how much he loved dating fourteen year-olds (yes, the f-slurs, misogyny and racism were also objectionable, but a lot more common in the late 80’s/early 90’s). I’d like to think he’d be someone who grew with the times, but who knows. He never seemed particularly class conscious, like with the Waffle House bit. And goat boy was always loving terrible.
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May 11, 2022 17:39
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I thibk absolutely only have gotten worse. He modeled himself after Lenny Bruce and just everyone else that's done so has missed the point of what Lenny was rebelling against in favor of just rebelling.
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May 11, 2022 18:40
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I thibk absolutely only have gotten worse. He modeled himself after Lenny Bruce and just everyone else that's done so has missed the point of what Lenny was rebelling against in favor of just rebelling. It's often forgotten, but Hicks covered the Waco compound siege as an amateur journalist so he did have an awareness of things that were going on. I think he would have become very much angrier and increasingly political with time, and I really can't see him continuing with comedy past 9/11.
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May 11, 2022 18:48
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Jedit posted:It's often forgotten, but Hicks covered the Waco compound siege as an amateur journalist so he did have an awareness of things that were going on. I think he would have become very much angrier and increasingly political with time, and I really can't see him continuing with comedy past 9/11.
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May 11, 2022 19:23
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Never forget that technically, Jesus' name would have been Joshua, son of Joseph. Yeshua ben Yosef
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May 11, 2022 19:41
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Remulak posted:Yeshua ben Yosef somewhere in history there was a benjamin ben benjamin and i bet he hated his family
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May 11, 2022 19:55
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Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.
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May 11, 2022 19:57
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There is a doctor/author named Ben E. Benjamin which is almost as good
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May 11, 2022 19:58
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"So that's Benny Benjamin?" "No. Ben E. Benjamin." "... yeah, Benny."
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May 11, 2022 20:01
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There's no way you don't lean into that if you're advertising the middle initial.
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May 11, 2022 20:02
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:he 100% would have gone chud Yeah there's no way he wouldn't have followed the Dennis Miller trajectory MAYBE he would have become Bill Maher and that's just as bad
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May 11, 2022 20:05
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Then I'd start calling myself Benny E. Benjamin. Just to see how good people are at listening.
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May 11, 2022 20:06
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Good to meet ya Big Ben
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May 11, 2022 20:27
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pretty soft girl posted:Yeah there's no way he wouldn't have followed the Dennis Miller trajectory Maher was always more a medium-talent hack who only got "political" because of the Politically Incorrect gig. Like, he's the ultimate guy who's good for a tight 10 minutes or so at the Laugh Shack but doesn't have anything deep to say, but he started believing his own hype.
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May 11, 2022 20:40
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Asterite34 posted:Not gonna defend the pedophile orangutan though. It's an amazing premise on paper, because a big aspect of this part is that the setting's new defining superpower is something not solely relegated to buff punch-men, anyone can have it, so a big aspect is determining who your opponent in a fight even IS as they can just be a nondescript rando hiding in plain sight. So here we have this scenario where the bad guy is a goddamn monkey you thought was just some guy's pet, with his superpower being the ocean liner you're standing on. It really ratchets up the paranoia that bad guys going forward can be literally anybody and their power could be literally anything. Maybe my memory is off on this, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that the whole plotline with the kid stowaway wasn't nearly as expanded or even perverted in the original manga as it was in the anime production, and that Davids Production took it further then what it was. Which makes it worse then it already was, imo, because it's now in a weird spot of 'Was this the producers, the original artist, or both that said this was needed to be added?'.
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May 11, 2022 21:12
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geeko55 posted:Maybe my memory is off on this, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that the whole plotline with the kid stowaway wasn't nearly as expanded or even perverted in the original manga as it was in the anime production, and that Davids Production took it further then what it was. Which makes it worse then it already was, imo, because it's now in a weird spot of 'Was this the producers, the original artist, or both that said this was needed to be added?'. IIRC, yeah, the 13 year old doesn't do much. She's the damsel in distress for a couple of chapters and busts Jotaro's chops a bit, and then they put her on a plane and she's out of the series. Honestly, considering the source material, I was expecting her to end up as Jotaro's wife, but thankfully I do not believe that is the case
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May 11, 2022 23:34
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hawowanlawow posted:careful what you wish for lmfao
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May 12, 2022 00:27
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geeko55 posted:Maybe my memory is off on this, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that the whole plotline with the kid stowaway wasn't nearly as expanded or even perverted in the original manga as it was in the anime production, and that Davids Production took it further then what it was. Which makes it worse then it already was, imo, because it's now in a weird spot of 'Was this the producers, the original artist, or both that said this was needed to be added?'. It's two pages for her shower scene in the manga, with a page in between showing a large group of sailors after they had been murdered and the ape sneaking around, so it comes off with more of a "Psycho shower scene" vibe. Still sleepy considering her age, but not long, lingering shots like the anime.
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May 12, 2022 02:55
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the_steve posted:IIRC, yeah, the 13 year old doesn't do much. She's the damsel in distress for a couple of chapters and busts Jotaro's chops a bit, and then they put her on a plane and she's out of the series. She's one of the weirdest parts of part 3 and when I was reading the manga and they put her on a plane I was like 'wait, what?' You could cut her out completely and barely have to change a thing to the story.
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May 12, 2022 03:29
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Randalor posted:It's two pages for her shower scene in the manga, with a page in between showing a large group of sailors after they had been murdered and the ape sneaking around, so it comes off with more of a "Psycho shower scene" vibe. Still sleepy considering her age, but not long, lingering shots like the anime. Yea in the manga it's much more 'horror movie oh god she's in the shower while all this murder is going on can she even tell she's in danger' quick moment than the extremely lingering creepy poo poo the anime did.
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May 12, 2022 03:46
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Vandar posted:She's one of the weirdest parts of part 3 and when I was reading the manga and they put her on a plane I was like 'wait, what?' There were kids in similar roles in parts 1 and 2, so my best guess was that she was added as a required element, perhaps as a viewpoint character for the audience closer to her age (either by Shonen Jump or subconsciously by Araki). And then at some point Araki realized 'wait, I can just not do that' and wrote her out, because the guy refuses to make or stick to long-term plans.
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May 12, 2022 03:57
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muscles like this! posted:Japanese media kind of has a history of glossing over WWII war crimes. Only the bad stuff. The good stuff, fascism is the enemy without question. Ultraman, Kamen Rider and Super Sentai get it.
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May 12, 2022 08:27
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I’ve been watching some older shows, and I checked out the first episode of Justified. I did like it, but does it age badly like it looks like it’s going to? The main character being a quick shot cop who goes for killing blows seems kinda “yikes”. It’s okay if it’s just a bit problematic, I just want to make sure it doesn’t go into full copaganda.
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May 12, 2022 09:35
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I think it does a pretty good job of portraying the consequences of his old west lawman-style approach. The title of the show comes directly from his shooting of the hitman in Miami being technically "justified", but also very much not a thing anyone should be doing. I don't think it dives into copaganda. Also Walton Goggins is amazing as Boyd Crowder. Shame about Nick Searcy having a big role, though. KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 11:23 on May 12, 2022 |
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May 12, 2022 11:18
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I really liked Justified, and can’t recall anything really egregious considering it’s a show about US Marshals. It’s essentially an Elmore Leonard series, and he was usually on the right side of things.
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May 12, 2022 13:57
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Justified, as with all cop shows, shows us that cops are normal people just trying to get through the day like you and me.
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May 12, 2022 14:03
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IIRC Justified usually had Raylan face consequences for his bending of the rules cops are supposed to follow. Also how he might be effective at some things but he's not held up as a good cop.
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May 12, 2022 14:16
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Yew theenk yew kin pull that gun before i shoot yew? Blam.
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May 12, 2022 14:21
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Justified is a show about a really stupid guy who thinks he’s badass manufacturing ways to kill other really stupid guys who think they’re criminal masterminds.
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May 12, 2022 14:22
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I liked Justified and it was my introduction to Character Actor Margo Martindale and she is great in it
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May 12, 2022 15:34
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Henchman of Santa posted:Justified is a show about a really stupid guy who thinks he’s badass manufacturing ways to kill other really stupid guys who think they’re criminal masterminds. So, much like Fight Club, the entire point will go entirely over the heads of the biggest fans and all they will see is Justified is a show about a
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May 12, 2022 16:17
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sick of Applebees posted:I liked Justified and it was my introduction to Character Actor Margo Martindale and she is great in it Probably should watch The Americans then. Maybe even Smeaky Pete.
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May 12, 2022 16:20
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the_steve posted:So, much like Fight Club, the entire point will go entirely over the heads of the biggest fans and all they will see is Justified is a show about a Yes and some people will watch Full Metal Jacket and go enlist in the armed forces. People are idiots.
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