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Based on the figures from residential schools in Canada, I would believe that 500 children died at each school.
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General Shitbrains' Daily Orders: Any soldier who poops without an officer present will be shot Any soldier caught taking bread from a train car will be shot Any soldier talking to civilians without orders will be shot Any soldier using funny voices outside of Division's "Comedy Night" will be shot Excerpt from the memoirs of General Shitbrains: "The conditions were right. The artillery came down exactly on time. We ran every scenario. The only reason we didn't take Hill 228 was that my men lacked the fighting spirit for some reason that was definitely not my fault."
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May 12, 2022 02:08
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vyelkin posted:Based on the figures from residential schools in Canada, I would believe that 500 children died at each school. 500 each school each decade wouldn't surprise me
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May 12, 2022 02:25
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that number seems incredibly low Uhmm it says over 500. It doesn't state an upper bound. So it's totally correct 0 pinocchios.
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May 12, 2022 12:59
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There is absolutely no way the Canadians killed less children than the Americans in hosed up schools. I have no idea if it is like 2x more or 10x more but it's definitely more.
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May 12, 2022 13:57
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Pryor on Fire posted:There is absolutely no way the Canadians killed less children than the Americans in hosed up schools. I have no idea if it is like 2x more or 10x more but it's definitely more. But don't Canadians like really, really, really hate their native people?
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May 12, 2022 19:35
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Fish of hemp posted:But don't Canadians like really, really, really hate their native people? Yes.
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May 12, 2022 20:13
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Some of the Canadian schools had a 25% death rate. When children caught tuberculosis, it was legal to shoot them, up until the 1960s. Forcible non-consensual sterilization of Indigenous Canadians was outlawed in 2017, although it has still taken place afterwards. The US might have killed a higher absolute number of Native children, but I don't think the death rate could have been as high as Canada's.
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May 12, 2022 21:54
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https://mobile.twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1525174323652177920 sure but that was nothing compared to the fear mike pence felt on january sixth
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May 14, 2022 18:11
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1525174323652177920 in fact it is so much nothing in comparison that nixon made the incident part of his foreign policy credentials while campaigning for president
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May 14, 2022 18:46
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It was amazing learning that Puerto Rican independence was one of the more dangerous terrorist causes in the 1950s.
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May 14, 2022 20:44
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FPyat posted:It was amazing learning that Puerto Rican independence was one of the more dangerous terrorist causes in the 1950s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_shooting this could have gone so much harder tbh
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May 14, 2022 20:49
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i say swears online posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_shooting Puerto Rican nationalists also came very close to assassinating Truman
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May 15, 2022 03:51
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Polgas posted:Can someone explain to me what happened during the spanish civil war? And some book recommendations about it? It's hard to find anything that doesn't immediately descend into blaming the communist or anarchist factions for losing the war without any context. Basically Spain had a very close election between the various branches of socialism v the fascist/monarchist/Catholics (Falange) and military. This of course followed years of simmering tensions. The socialits probably won a tight victory but all hell broke loose. fascists were smaller in number but had the Spanish African regulars on their side. Socialists had thousands of volunteers from all over the world, numerical advantages but all the problems you’d imagine leftist armies would have. Fascists had the blatant support of Italy and Germany. Leftists had communist “support” which amounted to them stealing gold from Madrid. France would not declare because there was civil war in the streets of Paris. England would not declare because they thought they could peel Italy away from Germany. Spain had two competing power centers. Madrid was very pro communist. Barcelona was anarchist. Fascists used institutional advantages and leftist disorganization to wear the republicans down. If they’d listened to Barcelona we’d all be speaking Catalan now. I’ve read The Spanish civil war by Paul Preston.
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May 15, 2022 04:44
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lol yeah the idiots that couldn’t help themselves from severing communications with the Aragon front to prove the worlds stupidest point totally would have won the civil war
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May 15, 2022 04:49
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1525174323652177920 I mean….something fucjed up was going on with pence and the secret service on Jan 6th. Raskolnikov38 posted:lol yeah the idiots that couldn’t help themselves from severing communications with the Aragon front to prove the worlds stupidest point totally would have won the civil war Excuse me I have several papers from an 18 year old Noam Chomsky talking about Catalonian wheat production during this time period.
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May 15, 2022 04:57
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Didn't the anarchists use more of their time to kill priests than to actual war effort?
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May 15, 2022 12:06
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iirc Mexico under Cárdenas was the only other country besides the Soviet Union to give significant aid to the Republicans throughout the conflict
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May 15, 2022 17:11
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yeah you're almost certainly right on that one
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May 15, 2022 17:17
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The impression I got from what (little) I've read from Yugoslav veterans of the Spanish Civil War is basically "The Soviet Union was not exactly an ideal ally, and we had to play hide and seek with overzealous NKVD idiots way too much, but it was an ally none-the-less, the only one we had" I kinda have to temper the above note on NKVD with a note that the Yugoslav communists were also settling grudges over there, and that the NKVD (and anarchists, too) made for a convenient scapegoat sometimes. The civil war veterans seemed to have extremely polarized views of anarchists, depending on which ones they ended up having to rely on during the war. It's pretty much either "killemallkillemallkillemall" or positive enough to later straight up risk their lives to help Yugoslav anarchists leave Yugoslavia safely when the Communist Party started the crackdown on them.
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May 15, 2022 18:40
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Fish of hemp posted:Didn't the anarchists use more of their time to kill priests than to actual war effort? Whomst among us?
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May 15, 2022 19:16
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Fish of hemp posted:Didn't the anarchists use more of their time to kill priests than to actual war effort? lol, these priests were not all ‘friendly father Tim’; the Spanish church was up there with the Irish one as a horror show, and they were huge fans of the fasch.
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May 16, 2022 00:32
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lol yeah the catholic church deserved anything they got in the spanish civil war
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May 16, 2022 04:35
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i say swears online posted:lol yeah the catholic church deserved anything they got in the spanish civil war
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May 16, 2022 04:51
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I'm from Manila and I say kill em all
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May 16, 2022 05:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm from Manila and I say kill em all a new macarthur rises...
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May 16, 2022 05:06
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Fly Molo posted:a new macarthur rises... lol
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May 16, 2022 05:11
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Remulak posted:lol, these priests were not all ‘friendly father Tim’; the Spanish church was up there with the Irish one as a horror show, and they were huge fans of the fasch. That might be true, but I think that in war it is more productive to wage war than kill priests.
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May 16, 2022 06:06
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Fish of hemp posted:That might be true, but I think that in war it is more productive to wage war than kill priests. i think they were a major source of wealth, which is what made them hated and a legit target
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May 16, 2022 06:13
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I said to a foreigner today that the US had two, maybe 3 dictators. FDR Lincoln and Washington. and he got really really pissy with me and said none of those people 'tick the boxes' of dictator and I said what about japanese internment and threatening to pack the courts, and outright threatening dictatorship against his own party's congress in his inauguration speech and this guy got really really offended and refused to continue the discussion am I off base on this I think it's not really controversial edit: for americans maybe it would be idk
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May 16, 2022 07:55
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no, he shouldn't have gotten pissy with you for expressing your opinion on the US presidency, because there's no reason why he should be licking the boots of powerful racists like Every US President
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May 16, 2022 08:50
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Antonymous posted:I said to a foreigner today that the US had two, maybe 3 dictators. FDR Lincoln and Washington. and he got really really pissy with me and said none of those people 'tick the boxes' of dictator and I said what about japanese internment and threatening to pack the courts, and outright threatening dictatorship against his own party's congress in his inauguration speech and this guy got really really offended and refused to continue the discussion that's not a particularly hot take for C-SPAM but it's going to be hard to swallow to anyone with merely a bare minimum understanding of political practicalities because for a lot of people "dictator" is still really just something that only Official Bad Countries can ever be, and maybe Trump. most people I know IRL would say the US has "checks-and-balances" which is why you could never have "corrupt politicians" here, with a few exceptions as identified by the mainstream media
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May 16, 2022 09:00
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Antonymous posted:am I off base on this I think it's not really controversial saying this to the average american is like going up to a devout catholic and talking poo poo about several of their favourite popes
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May 16, 2022 09:03
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Antonymous posted:I said to a foreigner today that the US had two, maybe 3 dictators. FDR Lincoln and Washington. and he got really really pissy with me and said none of those people 'tick the boxes' of dictator and I said what about japanese internment and threatening to pack the courts, and outright threatening dictatorship against his own party's congress in his inauguration speech and this guy got really really offended and refused to continue the discussion I just don't think any of them were really that strong enough to be independent dictators, it isn't really how the American system is run. There were certainly some of the strongest figures the US has had (well Washington was pretty heavily dependent on his cabinet and Adams). The American system is really about a relatively weak government that is behold to local and capital interests, during crises there are stronger figures but at the end of the day they still know how the bread is buttered (FDR would only go so far). Just like the Internment Camps was just about Roosevelt either. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 09:11 on May 16, 2022 |
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May 16, 2022 09:08
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threats are political, dictats are political but also followed i don't think fdr was a dictator in the slightest
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May 16, 2022 09:35
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ascribing negative value judgment to the term dictator says more about them than you
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May 16, 2022 09:54
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america has had the same dictator for the entirety of its existence, and that dictator is the bourgeoisie
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May 16, 2022 10:57
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Fish of hemp posted:That might be true, but I think that in war it is more productive to wage war than kill priests. From what I know of it, it wouldn't be accurate to pin the majority of bishop or priest deaths on the anarchists/CNT-FAI. The church was hated pretty strongly by the lower classes in general, and you'd be hard pressed to find a more reactionary and entrenched state organ than the Spanish church. IIRC something like half of all the civilian killings in the Republican-held areas took place within the first few months of the war, with most of the killings in major cities like Barcelona (where CNT was strong) and Madrid (where UGT and PCE/PSUC were strong). To be sure the CNT-FAI was responsible for some dumb poo poo as was alluded to upthread, but I think the focus on priest-killing stems from narratives spun by the nationalists during and after the war since naturally it shocked the sensibilities of western countries (even as the nationalists racked up a much, much higher death toll in their areas). MeatwadIsGod has issued a correction as of 13:06 on May 16, 2022 |
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Ardennes posted:I just don't think any of them were really that strong enough to be independent dictators, it isn't really how the American system is run. There were certainly some of the strongest figures the US has had (well Washington was pretty heavily dependent on his cabinet and Adams). I have trouble understanding how the white house would write legislation and the congress&senate which were majority (and most of the time super majority) the same party as FDR during FDR's 4 terms (president for life?) would pass I think virtually all of it a day or two later, and the only check which was the supreme court, was bullied into compliance. Is that not how a dictatorship works idk. It was legal and had popular support but so do a lot of "dictators". Mao would have done insanely well in opinion polling 1950-1955, or maybe until his death. Suspending Habeus Corpus and the emancipation proclamation were both extra-legal (illegal) measures and lincoln didn't even win the popular vote so he doesn't get out of that argument anyway. People will lend a lot of nuance to these men "well it was war time, they just applied political pressure, they had a mandate, they had a party they had to pacify and didn't rule by a single personality" but what dictatorships don't have some of these features? I was thinking there may be a way to thread certain "check boxes" to define all of America's enemies as dictators and those three presidents not as dictators but it would be obviously artificial is all. And I would say on the whole Washington, Lincoln and FDR saved america in their time and their dictator-lite approach shows sometimes dictatorship is democratic in the sense of maintaining rule by the people
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I mean that in the C-spammy sense that of course they should have implemented full communism immediately and also FDR and washington especially were racist fucks. but they did keep the US from falling apart (which is bad because it became the most belligerent imperialist nation on earth etc)
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