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Charlz Guybon posted:Take them into custody and use them as bargaining chips to negotiate an exchange for qll the Ukrainians kidnapped and eent to Siberia. Thats if you believe Russian government gives two shits about its citizens
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FishBulbia posted:
 Yes the nuclear strike deterring the great Finnish offensive to Russia. Which is really plausible. Hottest of takes, again.
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Kraftwerk posted:How will Ukraine kick out all these Russian settlers that have showed up to occupy these territories if they recaptured them? I can't imagine many of them would stay put if it looked like their stolen dwellings were about to be recaptured by Ukrainian forces.
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Kchama posted:That dude has literally zero power or influence or ability to object.
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I met scott ritter once and I remember him explaining that basically everything in his life had happened because he was drinking a bunch of beer when it happened. This was before his life publicly fell apart and he got arrested several times for messaging minors for sex, but in retrospect it sure seemed like a revealing statement. Dude was a helluva trainwreck even back in the early 2000s. Anyways was just thinking about this today because I saw someone describe an analysis as 'ritteresque' earlier
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Some batshit Russian nationalist's Telegram take on Scott Ritter, I found it a bit funny tbh [ran through Google translate] quote:Twice convicted pedophile in the service of RT under the guise of a US military analyst
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I met scott ritter once and I remember him explaining that basically everything in his life had happened because he was drinking a bunch of beer when it happened. This was before his life publicly fell apart and he got arrested several times for messaging minors for sex, but in retrospect it sure seemed like a revealing statement. Dude was a helluva trainwreck even back in the early 2000s. Anyways was just thinking about this today because I saw someone describe an analysis as 'ritteresque' earlier The dude was an immense fuckup long before the pedo stuff came out, he jumped headfirst into the first Russian honeypot op they ran on him in 1991 or something, and the FBI pegged him as a security risk and revoked his clearance for being implicated in espionage with Israel or something along those lines.
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/GarrisonMoratto/status/1524750817709895682 Hope no-one tells these people that the existing baltic NATO member countries don't have MBTs, air force or navies and Sweden and Finland joining would definitely change that.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Some batshit Russian nationalist's Telegram take on Scott Ritter, I found it a bit funny tbh
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sean10mm posted:The dude was an immense fuckup long before the pedo stuff came out, he jumped headfirst into the first Russian honeypot op they ran on him in 1991 or something, and the FBI pegged him as a security risk and revoked his clearance for being implicated in espionage with Israel or something along those lines. I could believe it. Dude made possibly the singularly worst impression anyone has ever made on me. His air of being a fuckup was so intense that you didn't get the impression that he'd ever had a job for a reason other than someone wanted to make sure that the job in question didn't accidentally get filled with someone at all competent.
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jeffreyw posted:It’s amazing that Russia lacks so much introspection that they can’t see why their yelling about nuclear weapons is falling on deaf ears. It seems like the entire country has given themselves brain damage from all the gas Europe no longer wants. They are used to people cowering to them or licking their boots when they make threats. They are the hosed up stephen king bully who finally did something really hosed up and instead of being cowed, the victim is curb stomping them, and bully can’t processes it. Charlotte Hornets posted:Some batshit Russian nationalist's Telegram take on Scott Ritter, I found it a bit funny tbh I do like that this rear end in a top hat is mad that they can’t get any real western experts any more and never really could. At best they get some old as gently caress leftist who thinks it’s still the kruschev thaw and that the Soviet Union is about to usher in world communism. But most of the time it’s some hosed up degenerate hard right outcast who couldn’t work anywhere else.
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Even his own coalition partners can't stand the lovely little weasle Olaf Scholz ... but have to pretend to like him after angry calls from the party leadership  (in the video statement he literally said they walked out because Scholz did not answer their questions)https://twitter.com/florianeder/status/1525065718831669250
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:The translation's pretty funny. Interesting that "drowning for X" seems to be the equivalent of "in the tank for X". It’s meant to be read as in rooting for, the word being homonym with “to hurry” (to add fuel if literally). Edit: God, I shouldn’t be posting when I’m this sleepy. Can’t type for poo poo. For actual content, Kabaeva has been sanctioned. https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1525064771200028672 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 12:02 on May 13, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Finland is also a big loser if Russia decides Finland should be Russia Finland has realised their strategy of being too hard and too expensive to be worth invading doesn't work when their neighboring despot has brainworms. boofhead posted:
The big hope of any succession is that the replacement isn't as deluded about the situation on the ground and is more amenable to finding a peaceful solution. Having the army back in Russia might be necessary to ensure security during the transition too.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I could believe it. Dude made possibly the singularly worst impression anyone has ever made on me. His air of being a fuckup was so intense that you didn't get the impression that he'd ever had a job for a reason other than someone wanted to make sure that the job in question didn't accidentally get filled with someone at all competent. At one point he was a *counterintelligence* officer. Then a Russian "escort" tells him she's in love and he believes it. I mean better than trying to gently caress kids like he went to jail for later, but still. Just lol
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 at all those Finland takes. No, the Finns are not going to invade Russia under the aegis of NATO. No, the Finnish border will not become the flashpoint for a nuclear war, at least if Finland has anything to say about it. No, Finland joining NATO is not national suicide. These people have absolute zero information about the situation as it actually stands. On the Finnish side of the border there's a well-trained FDF force at their usual readiness and that's it.The situation at the other side of border is, as Steinrokkan noted, interesting right now in that Russia only has a token force left there right now, about 1/3 of what's usually stationed. Pulling troops from Ukraine to rattle some sabers towards Finland does not help Russia in any way at the Finnish border, but it will make things worse for them in Ukraine. An unforced error.
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https://censor.net/ru/news/3341054/rf_doljna_vyvesti_voyiska_s_territoriyi_okkupirovannyh_posle_24_fevralya_eto_byl_by_pervyyi_ponyatnyyi Zelenskyy says that for serious talks with Russia, they ask for Russian troops to leave territories occupied since February 24. Partial quote: quote:Yes, you will remain in certain temporarily occupied territories, unfortunately, but this is a clear first step to have a conversation, let’s do it.
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ANKARA, May 13 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday it was not possible for NATO-member Turkey to view positively plans by Sweden and Finland to join the pact, saying the two countries were "home to many terrorist organisations". I figure it's about the Kurds. I also figure it's just the first punch in a negotiation. He does not want to give the ok for free.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://censor.net/ru/news/3341054/rf_doljna_vyvesti_voyiska_s_territoriyi_okkupirovannyh_posle_24_fevralya_eto_byl_by_pervyyi_ponyatnyyi Good for Zelensky. Ukraine was in an extremely precarious situation when he said this last time. Restating their commitment to this position after all their gains on the ground shows unbelievable discipline and restraint. Not that it's likely to shut the likes of Chomsky up about the Ukrainians refusing to negotiate.
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lol I called it yesterday in this thread. Erdogan hates Sweden because we've been vocal supporters of Kurdish civil rights.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:“Not favourable” is a rather transparent play for “what are you going to pay me”. I know it’s not this simple, but my inclination would be to tell the Turks that I would rather have the Finns and the Swedes in NATO than a Turkey run by the Turkish equivalent of Putin. So if you are “not favorable” to Finland and Sweden joining NATO, maybe Turkey would feel more secure groveling and Putin’s feet and begging Russia for protection.
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Aren't these things discussed ahead of time? Are Finland and Sweden really applying with no foreknowledge of what the result will be?
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Sweden published the security report that was initiated after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. "7 Conclusions Russia’s large-scale aggression against Ukraine is of a nature and scope that Europe has not experienced since the Second World War. Russia’s actions give rise to a structural and long-term deterioration of Europe’s security environment. The new security environment entails extensive and lasting consequences for the countries and organisations of Europe and the Euro-Atlantic area. The broad consensus against Russia’s actions and a common threat perception in the Euro-Atlantic area have enabled a swift, united and resolute response. The new security environment requires a position to be taken on how best to guarantee Sweden’s security. In light of the serious security situation, Sweden’s defence capability is being strengthened, and its defence and security partnerships have been deepened. Sweden has underscored the right of all States to make independent security policy choices. Sweden’s current defence and security cooperation creates the conditions for, and has contributed to, a high level of interoperability with strategic partners. It has enhanced the ability to act together in a crisis and ultimately war. It does not include mutually binding defence obligations. Within the framework of current cooperation, there is no guarantee that Sweden would be helped if it were the target of a serious threat or attack. As stated in Total Defence 2021–2025, it is in Sweden’s interests to be perceived as a credible, reliable and solidary partner. This will also apply in the future, and in the formats that the current serious security situation demands . It is not realistic to develop bilateral defence alliances involving mutual defence guarantees outside existing European and Euro-Atlantic structures. It is clear that there is a lack of political will among EU Member States for collective defence within the EU." The security crisis has also highlighted the boundaries of NATO’s commitments to non-Allies and made clear that Article 5 applies to the defence of Allies only. NATO’s collective defence does not include a partner dimension. Russian provocation and retaliatory measures against Sweden cannot be ruled out during a transition period in connection with a Swedish application for NATO membership. There is a readiness to respond to Russian threats, but it is not possible to eliminate with certainty all the risks of Russian retaliatory measures. Swedish NATO membership would raise the threshold for military conflicts and thus have a deterrent effect in northern Europe. If both Sweden and Finland were NATO members, all Nordic and Baltic countries would be covered by collective defence guarantees. The current uncertainty as to what form collective action would take if a security crisis or armed attack occurred would decrease. It is of considerable value that Finland and Sweden continue to act in close cooperation in response to the changed security environment. As the Finnish report states, close cooperation would also be important during possible accession processes. Full report: https://www.government.se/legal-documents/2022/05/ds-20228/ It would be funny if Sweden finally tries to join NATO only to blocked by Turkey. Kallikaa fucked around with this message at 13:10 on May 13, 2022 |
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Senjuro posted:Aren't these things discussed ahead of time? Are Finland and Sweden really applying with no foreknowledge of what the result will be? In this case this most likely is the case, but that doesn’t prevent others from talking in the meantime. It could be Erdogan being himself, it could be Turkey hoping to wring out some concessions (most likely imo), it could be a domestic play to placate public opinion when behind the scenes US has told Turkey to not make things difficult for itself, or 10 other things. It’s also worth remembering that this is a “slightly” accelerated scenario of NATO accession. Edit: https://twitter.com/terischultz/status/1525083536893542400 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 13:08 on May 13, 2022 |
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Senjuro posted:Aren't these things discussed ahead of time? Are Finland and Sweden really applying with no foreknowledge of what the result will be? Swedish officials have been very busy rushing around and securing support for an eventual NATO application, focusing on Hungary and Turkey in particular. This seems mostly like a way to get some goodies thrown Turkey's way
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Senjuro posted:Aren't these things discussed ahead of time? Are Finland and Sweden really applying with no foreknowledge of what the result will be? They are but accession requires unanimity among Allies so it needs approval by every individual parliament which is likely to be a pretty drawn out process. In other words, there's probably going to be a bunch of horse trading to get countries like Turkey, Croatia and Hungary on board.
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Kallikaa posted:It would be funny if Sweden finally tries to join NATO only to blocked by Turkey. I know it's in vogue in this thread among some posters to refer to Sweden as if it was Satan itself for some reason, but let me offer another view on this: what if - and hear me out here, what if that wouldn't be funny at all, given the poo poo going on?
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Inepta Lacerta posted:I know it's in vogue in this thread among some posters to refer to Sweden as if it was Satan itself for some reason, but let me offer another view on this: what if - and hear me out here, what if that wouldn't be funny at all, given the poo poo going on? As a Swede I would still find it funny.
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This would not be publicly discussed if the end-result wasn't known beforehand, but Erdogan and Orban, and that coke-head in Croatia are playing similar "strong man"-game as Putin. They cannot appear in a light that US or EU told them what to do, so they want to make this show to appear as they were the strong leaders who finally allowed something to happen after they were sufficiently appeased. Erdogan turning coat and making GBS threads up the plan approved by US and the major EU-NATO leaders just as a "gently caress you" would not be very wise act for long-term politics. Orban at least knows this and hasn't said anything, and that cokehead in Croatia can only theoretically affect how things will play out. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 13:19 on May 13, 2022 |
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Kallikaa posted:As a Swede I would still find it funny. I might just have spent too much time keeping up with this thread and news in general. Might need to take a break, my humor is clearly malfunctioning.
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Not sure I've noticed Sweden being cast like Satan here, unless you took it really personally that Sweden is weaboo about the USA, which it absolutely is.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://censor.net/ru/news/3341054/rf_doljna_vyvesti_voyiska_s_territoriyi_okkupirovannyh_posle_24_fevralya_eto_byl_by_pervyyi_ponyatnyyi He's done this sort of thing a few times. He said a while back that if Russia held a vote for annexation in Kherson that there would be no further peace talks. I think there's probably a realisation on both sides that Russia needs a negotiated settlement to this at some point because they aren't capable of a military settlement. PerilPastry posted:They are but accession requires unanimity among Allies so it needs approval by every individual parliament which is likely to be a pretty drawn out process. In other words, there's probably going to be a bunch of horse trading to get countries like Turkey, Croatia and Hungary on board. Why is Hungary in NATO? It sounds like they'd be far happier in the Russian-led equivalent.
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Swedes are even more weeaboo about the USA than Finns, and that's saying something. They've also made non-alignment based moral superiority complex the basis of their whole foreign policy for the last, oh, 200 years, so no wonder the current situation raises some chuckles among certain countries with less stellar human rights records.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Not sure I've noticed Sweden being cast like Satan here, unless you took it really personally that Sweden is weaboo about the USA, which it absolutely is. Nah, I'm more inclined to blame myself being overly worried and taking things too seriously. (I have ukrainian friends, so it is a tad personal). SWEDEN being US-weaboo can't really be in question, tho  My apologies for the outburst.
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However, Finland being also thrown out because what some Swedish liberal utopia politicians said twenty years ago is also exactly what many feared and used as an argument against the potential event of making the sort-of Finland-Sweden defense alliance an actual formal alliance and policy. Swedish politicians run their mouth against Putin, and in retribution Finland is the one that gets shelled or little-green-manned.
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https://twitter.com/hengenahm/status/1525079746517811202 https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1525053748317388801 Inepta Lacerta posted:Nah, I'm more inclined to blame myself being overly worried and taking things too seriously. (I have ukrainian friends, so it is a tad personal). SWEDEN being US-weaboo can't really be in question, tho It's fine, and really far away from qualifying as an outburst. I was merely puzzled.
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