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gschmidl posted:Update to the update: Pilot Germany, not realizing Pilot Austria already fixed the problem, also fixed the problem. I am more than confident they will tell you to keep it.
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Keetron posted:I am more than confident they will tell you to keep it. I assume so too, but it still feels wrong to just keep both without saying anything. This way my conscience is clean.
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:I’m just catching up on the Noodlers saga, and I’m a little surprised at the apparent genuineness of that apology. It wasn’t really a complete one, but that’s more action toward an appropriate apology than the usual libertarian crank caught doing a racism. I guess in this kind of community it’s not like there’s a bunch of chuds who will rush to his defense despite no previous interest in niche writing accessories like you’d get for Black Rifle Coffee Company or My Pillow. Well it looks like it wasn't genuine at all since he is now throwing a shitfit and randomly renaming a bunch of his inks and discontinuing others. For example Apache Sunset is now Southwest Sunset 
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Xun posted:Well it looks like it wasn't genuine at all since he is now throwing a shitfit and randomly renaming a bunch of his inks and discontinuing others. For example Apache Sunset is now Southwest Sunset [surprised pikachu]
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gschmidl posted:[surprised pikachu] Except no surprises.
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Xun posted:Well it looks like it wasn't genuine at all since he is now throwing a shitfit and randomly renaming a bunch of his inks and discontinuing others. For example Apache Sunset is now Southwest Sunset I'm not sure what's a shitfit about it? He seems to be changing all of the ones that reference any kind of ethnicity in the name (and all of the Ahab pens for some reason) which is probably for the better anyway. list is here Heath fucked around with this message at 16:35 on May 13, 2022 |
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Heath posted:I'm not sure what's a shitfit about it? He seems to be changing all of the ones that reference any kind of ethnicity in the name (and all of the Ahab pens for some reason) which is probably for the better anyway. Some of the name changes feel a bit like an overreaction -- like I don't think anyone had a problem with Ottoman Azure -- but dropping the word Napalm from Dragon's Fire was probably a good idea. And I legitimately don't know what the current thinking is on names like Apache or Kiowa And on the whole, while I don't want to give Tardiff too much credit, one of his best known inks highlights how the US Government tried to screw over a bunch of black soldiers. So y'know, people contain multitudes and all that.
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Heath posted:I'm not sure what's a shitfit about it? He seems to be changing all of the ones that reference any kind of ethnicity in the name (and all of the Ahab pens for some reason) which is probably for the better anyway. It just reads as a really childish overreaction to me  have you never seen someone spitefully go overboard on "corrections" when they get called out on something? There's a huge difference between antisemetic stereotypes and referring to the ethnicity of....ottomans?
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They're mostly inks that were brought up in the reddit threads as things people took issue with, so it sounds like he's listening. I don't think it was really necessary either, but it's a reasonably quick turnaround and it looks like effort to me. The real test is if he prints the labels with the old title behind jailbars or some dumb poo poo, which is also possible
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Everett False posted:Maybe I'm the last to know, but I was unaware the Oster guy also sucks. Dang it, you're not the last to know, and that's extremely disappointing to me. I admit I know basically nothing about British political history so I had never even heard of the Rivers of Blood speech until now and yeah, that's a really heartless reference to make. It looks like the ink is discontinued but a few places still carry it. I know nothing about Australian politics either but yeah, looking at the Robert Oster Ink twitter, there's... uh... certainly something going on with him. I love Oster inks, but they're a lot like Noodler's in the sense that I can probably just not support them anymore and I won't think twice about it in a few months.
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Xun posted:It just reads as a really childish overreaction to me Almost everything in the list was specifically called out in online discussion forums for various connotations (or appropriations, which is a fine line it looks like he is going to err cautiously on). He basically crowd-sourced this list, so I'm not sure why people are saying he over-reacted.
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gschmidl posted:I "wonder" who wanted the antifa one gone. It's not what you think it is.
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gschmidl posted:I "wonder" who wanted the antifa one gone. Somebody probably pointed out that Churchill was not in fact anti-fascist.
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You know which of his inKKKs hasn’t been put on the list for a name change? Monkey Hanger. Yes, from a Brit history POV it’s about a dumb incident with a real monkey, but that’s just a nice bit of plausible deniability, when the name can easily be seen as something far more malicious to anyone with history of Bad Stuff in the US (hint in the first line of this post for anyone who’s not figured it out. I’m not going to post any form of the n word in the pen thread, I’m white AF).
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Kerbtree posted:You know which of his inKKKs hasn’t been put on the list for a name change? I mean, by your own admission you know what specific incident it's referencing, but you're deliberately choosing to take a hateful interpretation of it, and that's not really fair, is it?
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Heath posted:I mean, by your own admission you know what specific incident it's referencing, but you're deliberately choosing to take a hateful interpretation of it, and that's not really fair, is it? That's the thing about a dogwhistle. Someone who's in on the 'joke' can see the intention, but it's opaque to anyone else. Also, this one's got a double angle to it, because the whole thing with Hartlepool is still kinda racial, just a more pop-culturally acceptable target. Kerbtree fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 14, 2022 |
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gschmidl posted:I "wonder" who wanted the antifa one gone. I don’t attempt to claim I have a deep scholarly understanding of the history but the Bengal famine of 1943 has blame on Churchill and his war policies.
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Kerbtree posted:That's the thing about a dogwhistle. Someone who's in on the 'joke' can see the intention, but it's opaque to anyone else. I suppose you could give Tardiff the benefit of the doubt here because it was made for Pure Pens UK as an exclusive ink, so they would have had to have some say in the name. Maybe they even brought up the whole event as a historical oddity that would have piqued his interest. But yea, release that with any other vague reasoning and it would have had a whole other connotation really quickly.
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This is all stupid in the domain of writing implements, the idiot shouldn’t have been giving these names to begin with. I am glad we are at the point he is renaming stuff under public pressure but it will allow people to do business with him, washing their hands clean. If nobody else makes any financially crippling decisions soon, I will do it myself and go to PW Akkermans tomorrow to buy one of those limited edition pilot 1911s or something.
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I bought a Pilot Iroshizuku tasting flight and now have a lot of small bottles of ink. Trying asa-gao in my Sheaffer, it writes incredibly smoothly. I'm surprised at how much of a difference it makes. The ink is super pretty. I think with the way I take notes I just prefer a finer point, if I write more slowly this M can work nicely but that will get in the way of getting my thoughts down. Maybe I can use the broader nib when I'm writing something longer form and the EF for planning. I was surprised how easy it was to buy syringes and needles at the pharmacy for refilling cartridges, I thought they'd want some justification but the guy just got em out on the counter.
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sb hermit posted:If you got blunt tip syringes (sharp tip may be fine in the extreme short term but you should be real careful for obvious reasons) Sankis posted:It'd be pretty pointless to not sell them unless there was a reason. Har har! .....I'll show myself out.
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Keetron posted:If nobody else makes any financially crippling decisions soon, I will do it myself and go to PW Akkermans tomorrow to buy one of those limited edition pilot 1911s or something. I did some ill-advised retail therapy that's due to arrive on Tuesday.
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Keetron posted:If nobody else makes any financially crippling decisions soon Don't be ridiculous. 
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gschmidl posted:Don't be ridiculous. Nice catch! Did you get the full set with the charm and everything?
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Dad Hominem posted:Nice catch! Did you get the full set with the charm and everything? Pen only (and it's only shipping out next week), but at a good price compared to what I've seen out there.
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I've not been able to buy any pen stuff since 2020 due to lack of employment but golly the moment that situation is resolved im planning on some very dumb purchases. Ever since I learned how surprisingly affordable urushi pens can be i haven't been able to stop thinking of them...
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OMFG this is what I come here for. Yesterday I called in sick from work and got in the car to drive around and visit a few shops, the pen shop pwakkerman.com being one of them, fully planning on throwing money at them for a 21K M nib pen. Then on the way to the first shop, I received a phonecall that my kid was not doing well in school and if it would be possible to pick him up. I dropped by the first shop (bought some Bristol board to make into travel journals) and then drove to the school. My son was indeed not well so we went home where he siphoned away what little energy I had left (which was the reason I called in sick to begin with). At the end of the day I was more drained and tired than at the start, bought no pen, made no money and completely failed my attempt at retail therapy. I did get some parenting points, I hope the reward will be worth it. Maybe I'll try again next week, I am negotiating a pay cut in return for one day a week.
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japanese-packaging.png This is the 1974 Pilot Heart Sutra, so it's slightly older than I am and, unlike me, is in near-mint condition.
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gschmidl posted:japanese-packaging.png Congrats again! I'll have to dig out the page in Fountain Pens of Japan that covers these. I think there's a photo of the temple ritual where each of these pens was blessed by a priest.
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