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mlmp08 posted:CommieGIR, if missiles just don’t work, Ukraine’s behavior makes no loving sense. Ukrainian helicopter pilots are also doing the “lob rockets wildly from friendly lines” tactic and the Ukrainian air force flies rather little and when it does, flies while nearly scraping bird nests from treetops. It's also possible that even if the missiles didn't work and all they had to worry about was WW2 era flak guns and Russian planes they'd probably do this anyway, because each individual airframe is basically irreplaceable in the short term.
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CommieGIR posted:What are you talking about? What 'Lob rockets wildly from friendly lines'? Are you talking about the unguided MLRS systems? No, I am talking about Ukrainian aviation units and how they avoid SAMs. I am not talking about truck-based systems evading SAMs. https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1525060762254942208?s=21&t=KeCHBfbhoeuRzw5SURQFBA I think you do not understand SAMs very well and should probably bow out on this argument.
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Those are Russian soldiers filming the launches right? I guess I haven't looked but I've never really seen much footage from the Russian side. At least, nothing I haven't purposefully avoided. So, did they upload the videos? If so, to what end? Are they from captured soldiers/phones? Just curious.
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Alchenar posted:mlmp08 is a grumpy guts but he's right and the extrapolating wildly from single video sources is not bright work. Maybe, but given that issues with Russian issued equipment is a well established and well proven thing right now, between vehicle issues, lack of basic maintenance, and outright failed systems, why would this be the exception. Again: This system is not why these guys are flying at treetop level, they are avoiding the longer range S-300/S-400 systems that have deep coverage of the Russian front. mlmp08 posted:No, I am talking about Ukrainian aviation units and how they avoid SAMs. I am not talking about truck-based systems evading SAMs. You don't even understand what I'm saying. I am talking about Ukrainian aviation units. You made a claim that Ukraine is 'firing wildly' and I asked what you are talking about. The only rocket based system 'firing wildly' would be MLRS systems. Nobody is wildly firing SAMs The Ukrainian units fly at tree top level not to avoid these systems, but to avoid longer range systems that are covering the front. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:28 on May 13, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:Again: This system is not why these guys are flying at treetop level, they are avoiding the longer range S-300/S-400 systems that have deep coverage of the Russian front. That is an incorrect understanding of things. I feel like casual observers at least know about the SA-22 and SA-11/17 by this point.
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mlmp08 posted:That is an incorrect understanding of things. I feel like casual observers at least know about the SA-22 and SA-11/17 by this point. Still waiting for you to explain who is wildly firing SAMs
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah you are giving the Russian maintenance system way more credit than its earned given they are issuing vehicles to the front lines with tires that were made in the USSR. Im not giving it any credit, I'm just saying that one video is not evidence of a given system's reliability. Anecdotes are not data, and all that.
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CommieGIR posted:Still waiting for you to explain who is wildly firing SAMs You are really committing to your misreading of their post.
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CommieGIR posted:Still waiting for you to explain who is wildly firing SAMs He said this, "Ukrainian helicopter pilots are also doing the “lob rockets wildly from friendly lines” tactic" and posted a video of a helo doing just that. You're the one with the reading comprehension issue.
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CommieGIR posted:Still waiting for you to explain who is wildly firing SAMs Dude, I posted that Ukrainian air power was wildly firing rockets. When you were confused I posted a video of a Ukrainian Hind doing that to make it clearer. I explicitly wrote that I was talking about helicopters wildly firing rockets into the air. I never said a single word abut Ukraine “wildly firing SAMs” SAMe are NOT rockets. Mi-24s can carry rockets, and we have seem both Russia and Ukraine firing rockets pretty wildly on ballistic trajectories because they fear one another’s short-range air defenses. SAM systems fire missiles. Missiles are not rockets. Chill and read before posts before making posts like the above. E: beaten
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Okay I stand corrected there, and I misunderstood that you meant them trying to avoid SAM systems by shooting wildly.
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This will surely have the intended geopolitical effects. https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1525142491019763718
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All that said, we can certainly add those two datapoints to the lengthening trend line of "Russian forces are not doing a great job of maintaining Soviet legacy systems and may not be proficient users of them in general."
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Cythereal posted:This will surely have the intended geopolitical effects. Finland get's 10% of their electricity from Russia, but apparently this was an issue with payment https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1525143284812853248?s=20&t=BF4n5xltTb3jD16MnFS7QA
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Are the payment issues that they won't pay in rubles
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Are the payment issues that they won't pay in rubles It's likely that plus the existing written agreement doesn't require payment in rubles. But it's totally about NATO membership.
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https://twitter.com/space_osint/status/1506688082657091584 RIP Russia's secure comms capability
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pantslesswithwolves posted:https://twitter.com/space_osint/status/1506688082657091584 That was captured like a month ago, bet its already in US hands.
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I'm gonna make a civ6 faction of Ukraine that gets like +500% when fighting defensive wars
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1525200009368686592?t=DQlZVD-ckLNolXN0EG5e7w&s=19 That's a nice change of pace music wise.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm gonna make a civ6 faction of Ukraine that gets like +500% when fighting defensive wars +5 gold and production from foreign trade routes while at war, your opponent cannot start new trade routes. Special unit: Bayraktar - replaces drone. Friendly units within five spaces cannot be seen by enemy units.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:RIP Russia's secure comms capability Not quite, this is more RIP Russia's ability to jam radars and protect their equipment from aircraft & PGMs. And according to the article I posted a couple pages back, they seem to have given up using this stuff not long after the war started. edit: oh and Russia has been talking on cell phones and SC/PT this whole time, this must be like a turkey shoot for the SIGINT & EW folks bees everywhere fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 13, 2022 |
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FrozenVent posted:Special unit: Babushka - replaces worker. Tiles worked gain +1 food for each unit killed on tile.
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bees everywhere posted:Not quite, this is more RIP Russia's ability to jam radars and protect their equipment from aircraft & PGMs. And according to the article I posted a couple pages back, they seem to have given up using this stuff not long after the war started. It is hard to imagine entering a conflict and having to admit you can’t do anything with your entire concept of EW but here we are
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FrozenVent posted:+5 gold and production from foreign trade routes while at war, your opponent cannot start new trade routes. Special Unit: Tractor. Once per turn, unit can steal enemy unit in adjacent tile.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Special Unit: Tractor. Once per turn, unit can steal enemy unit in adjacent tile. Oh that’s good and there’s already an apostle ability that allows you to do that with barbarians.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Special Unit: Tractor. Once per turn, unit can steal enemy unit in adjacent tile. Actually yeah this, tractor is a regular worker otherwise
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Double adjacency bonus for culture districts when in a defensive war. Being the target of a war declaration immediately triggers a crisis. All countries supporting the crisis get diplomatic favor based on the number of countries supporting.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:https://twitter.com/space_osint/status/1506688082657091584 I want to watch an anchorman style fight between CIA, NSA, and DIA over who gets to touch it first.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I want to watch an anchorman style fight between CIA, NSA, and DIA over who gets to touch it first. CIA has already licked all over the container, officially claiming it.
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orange juche posted:CIA has already licked all over the container, officially claiming it. Yeah, but someone from DIA probably stuck their dick in it first to try and claim it.
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This is super interesting. We are watching the best of the Soviet Army vs the Modern World. They are speed running their playbook, and I think we are one significant setback away from Russian deploying non-Nuke CRBNE (or whatever new thing they call it). Everyday, I'm shocked we aren't seeing confirmed Chemical Weapon deployment.
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These gentlemen seem...poorly outfitted https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1525206092485120000?s=20&t=fL_8qkpQnwjwB3Vuz94m5Q I find this genuinely upsetting  especially given reports of Russian press gangs in the 'independent' republics
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I want to watch an anchorman style fight between CIA, NSA, and DIA over who gets to touch it first. NSA gets to touch it first, CIA gets to touch the officer that was found nearby, and DIA complains about funding.
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