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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:this is simply not true imo. for example, if grimgrog is giving you a hard time and you raze black crag, where he has his high priority blorc building, then you likely just shut down his entire ability to spam blorcs at you, for possibly a very long time. figuring out where your enemy is spawning his nasty high-tier units and shutting down those settlements is key to fighting efficiently on the campaign map. If you can do that then why wouldn't you just take or raze all of his settlements? You're just going to raze Black Crag and then disband the army or march it home or are you gonna take the region next to it and the one next to that? By all means you can play out a little narrative where you role play that that is what happened but it's not going to be a very effective strategy.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:this is simply not true imo. for example, if grimgrog is giving you a hard time and you raze black crag, where he has his high priority blorc building, then you likely just shut down his entire ability to spam blorcs at you, for possibly a very long time. figuring out where your enemy is spawning his nasty high-tier units and shutting down those settlements is key to fighting efficiently on the campaign map. Yeah but that would involve defeating him, you can't.
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lurksion posted:https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2806253575 Lmao can't wait for some modder to essentially turn Warhammer into the next Kingdom Under Fire game
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:this is simply not true imo. for example, if grimgrog is giving you a hard time and you raze black crag, where he has his high priority blorc building, then you likely just shut down his entire ability to spam blorcs at you, for possibly a very long time. figuring out where your enemy is spawning his nasty high-tier units and shutting down those settlements is key to fighting efficiently on the campaign map. If you can take Black Crag from Grimgor - his most fortified and powerful settlement - you can simply wipe his faction out. The enemy's military production heartland is, virtually without exception, always in their strongest and most developed cities. If you can muster the force to get to and smash your enemy's strongest and most developed cities to cripple their military production, you can almost definitionally muster the force to kill them. Any army that can take Black Crag is very likely going to be strong enough to keep killing orcs until there are no more orcs.
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May 13, 2022 12:05
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uh why not simply use an agent to Damage Building??
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The AI still draws from building recruitment pools, same as the player. Even if they get bonuses to recruitment speed and cost, taking away the only settlement that gives them high tier units means that their replacement armies will be full of chaff. This does nothing to change the fact that Grimgrog is literally unbeatable though
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May 13, 2022 12:20
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I like that even End Times still makes Grimgrog come off as a badass. quote:Grimgor later became bound to the Wind of Beasts and commanded a huge army known as the Beast Waaagh! In the process, he managed to conquer the Ogre Kingdoms. Greasus Goldtooth was fiercely vain and independent, and tried to resist, but Grimgor was able to kill the massive monster by clubbing his head in with his own sceptre. The Ogres viewed Grimgor as the living avatar of the Great Maw, and thus the entire Ogre race decided to follow him as well.[4] quote:"I will not be felled by a beast," Archaon snarled, his voice carrying over the clamour of battle. He surged to his feet, even as Grimgor reached him. "I am Archaon, and I am the end made flesh," he shouted. He slashed out, nearly opening the orc’s belly. "What do you say to that, animal?" I'm voting Grimgrog.
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Did they ever port Grimgor over to Age of Sigmar like they did with every other factions "big names"?
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Funky See Funky Do posted:If you can do that then why wouldn't you just take or raze all of his settlements? You're just going to raze Black Crag and then disband the army or march it home or are you gonna take the region next to it and the one next to that? No, because Grimgor can make multiple armies and send them out. You can bypass them and hit strategically with one tough army instead of playing defense or whack a stack. Another example that comes up frequently is whether to counterattack Manfred in Stirland or Talabecland, or if you just bypass him in the field and destroy Sylvania, reducing him to much weaker recruitment while his powerful armies slowly get whitttled down by the AI. Anyway the complained of impossible task was hitting Nuln, a city which isn’t known as a pushover, to take out the empire artillery production. You can definitely do that, just not very effectively with Nuln (because they usually don’t confederate with Franz very quickly). Lt. Danger posted:uh why not simply use an agent to Damage Building?? This works too
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Collapsing Farts posted:Did they ever port Grimgor over to Age of Sigmar like they did with every other factions "big names"? Sadly no, although the first playable Orc force in Age of Sigmar is I think the Ironhidez or something like that.
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Black crag and Karaz a Karak are both real close to the frontlines, black crag especially theres been a number of times where I've been able to take it but not neccesarily hold it because theres a lot more orc out there but long term they're severely diminished. Of course that doesnt mean the overall point isnt mostly right, its capitals and big cities and in 3k food provinces that are the ones that matter the most
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May 13, 2022 13:21
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Damage Building doesn't actually do anything though
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May 13, 2022 13:43
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Lt. Danger posted:Damage Building doesn't actually do anything though Yeah it reduces the output of econ buildings but damaging a recruitment building does nothing.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:No, because Grimgor can make multiple armies and send them out. You can bypass them and hit strategically with one tough army instead of playing defense or whack a stack. I hate to break it to you but you suck at TW games. You're talking about things as challenges that I barely even think of as trivial obstacles.
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Another trivial obstacle, he sighed, as he autoresolves with his 20 stack again. This isn't really a burn at you, this is mostly how I end up playing every TW
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May 13, 2022 16:35
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I hate to break it to you but you suck at TW games. You're talking about things as challenges that I barely even think of as trivial obstacles. 
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May 13, 2022 16:51
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conquering the fantasy gnome kingdoms is mere childs play to a military mind such as my own
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Also there is no real incentive or reason have something like "take out Nuln to cripple artillery" when basically every province is as good at producing artillery as Nuln is. The landmark is nice but it's not like it's the only way to get artillery.
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May 13, 2022 17:04
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its someone coming up with a narrative to enjoy their game more, and it's fine, and cool
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The real crime is that Nuln is represented as the capital of Wissenland under Emmanuelle von Liebwitz, when every true fan knows it's an independent city-state hotly contested between Reikland and Wissenland. Elspeth von Draken rules Nuln, and the province is de facto under the Toppenheimers of Pfeildorf. Wissenland more like lol.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The real crime is that Nuln is represented as the capital of Wissenland under Emmanuelle von Liebwitz, when every true fan knows it's an independent city-state hotly contested between Reikland and Wissenland. Elspeth von Draken rules Nuln, and the province is de facto under the Toppenheimers of Pfeildorf. Wissenland more like lol. Wow, I sure hope somebody was fired for that blunder.
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May 13, 2022 17:40
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Out of a cannon, hopefully, towards an enemy of the Empire
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I hate to break it to you but you suck at TW games. You're talking about things as challenges that I barely even think of as trivial obstacles. This is such a good post.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I hate to break it to you but you suck at TW games. You're talking about things as challenges that I barely even think of as trivial obstacles. this too long for a thread title?
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Gonkish posted:I mean the "theaters" thing is completely unexplained and entirely speculatory, we have no idea if it's anything substantial or just something the coders used for their own clarification. Don't read too much into it. The Reddit thread also has this: quote:Theaters don't have anything in common with the theaters in ETW. They are already in use in WH2 and are used for diplomacy & AI. An Ulthuan theater groups several factions together which would be expected to see certain changes for a Tyrion play through for example. That's why Wulfrik is included, because he's supposed to invade Ulthuan, not start on it.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The real crime is that Nuln is represented as the capital of Wissenland under Emmanuelle von Liebwitz, when every true fan knows it's an independent city-state hotly contested between Reikland and Wissenland. Elspeth von Draken rules Nuln, and the province is de facto under the Toppenheimers of Pfeildorf. Wissenland more like lol. However will CA live this one down?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The real crime is that Nuln is represented as the capital of Wissenland under Emmanuelle von Liebwitz, when every true fan knows it's an independent city-state hotly contested between Reikland and Wissenland. Elspeth von Draken rules Nuln, and the province is de facto under the Toppenheimers of Pfeildorf. Wissenland more like lol. sounds like this failspeth can suck it lol
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Elspeth better be a DLC LL or I will write several sternly worded posts that no one will read because they will make less sense than your average Arghy post. 
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If you are doing a Dwarf game taking out Black Crag certainly helps. And taking out Sylvania makes the vampires easier to deal with too. This is true no matter how much you have played the game. Knowing this is not a symptom of "sucking at the game". Maybe you think this is trivial because only play on normal battle difficulty Funky. Hryme fucked around with this message at 09:01 on May 14, 2022 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The real crime is that Nuln is represented as the capital of Wissenland under Emmanuelle von Liebwitz, when every true fan knows it's an independent city-state hotly contested between Reikland and Wissenland. Elspeth von Draken rules Nuln, and the province is de facto under the Toppenheimers of Pfeildorf. Wissenland more like lol. I thought Nuln was capital of Wissenland but countess Von Liebwitz was trying to turn it into an independent city that she would be the Elector Countess of and could give rump Wissenland to a political ally?
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Lords of the realm 2 had this really cool (and very frustrating in multiplayer) scorched earth feature where whatever you did with your town was actually represented on the strategic map, meaning that an invading army could go off the road and wander into your fields, burning them to the ground and destroying your grain production. Then of course it also had real time battles with hundreds of units. No total war game has actually managed to improve upon it IMO. All your buildings and farming etc are just abstracted to slots in a menu.
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In medieval 2 you could identify buildings you built in city maps and if they were hit by a siege weapon the building would actually be damaged afterwards. Atilla also had you able to burn whole cities to the ground with fire based attacks, it was neat but I mostly remember it just setting my graphics card on fire.
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Oof that was a bit of a dickhead post for me to make. I was kind of shitfaced at the time. I'm not really sure what I was going for but I hope it was a bit that I just faceplanted. Anyway, sorry DrZimbardo I'm sure you don't suck at TW nearly as much as I suck at posting.
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ok that’s very nice of you but the post was hilarious
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Carcer posted:In medieval 2 you could identify buildings you built in city maps and if they were hit by a siege weapon the building would actually be damaged afterwards. Atilla's newish 1212 AD mod is a very good Medieval III if y'all are wanting a TW fix while waiting for Hams III to get better. CA definitely had a sorcerer curse Atilla though. Got a PC that can run the modern TWs on max settings, while streaming, but Atilla still makes it struggle.
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I was born into a long line of Princes, renowned commanders all! I studied at the Diesdorf Military College! Where did you study, some shack a hedge witch called a "school"?
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*gets defeated by a 10 stack of basic archers at Agincourt*
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It would be dumb but very on theme to have Bretonnian cavalry get antsy and suffer
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Tirranek posted:It would be dumb but very on theme to have Bretonnian cavalry get antsy and suffer I wonder if some of the overhaul mods back in 2 have done this already. It could easily be built using the current system of status effects and triggers/disable flags. I never got into SFO 2 so I'm not sure You can give units an attribute that would make them rampage if they have not charged in X many seconds, or rampage and auto attack if they are within x many feet of an enemy and not charging for too long. Then turn off once they engage in melee
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