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Mr. Lobe posted:poo poo if I could be in a comfortable cube and never have to worry about impression management again, that doesn't sound so bad gently caress yeah, gimmie that iso-cube.
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Wait. I've seen this. I stand here, right here, and I'm supposed to say something. I say, "Everything that has a beginning has an end, Allison." Wait, what did I just say?
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May 13, 2022 17:28
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Jadis is omniscient as hell and has no idea what she's doing.
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May 13, 2022 17:30
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When the Furious Dumbass and the All-Knowing Dumbass team up only good things can happen.
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May 13, 2022 17:44
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The double-reading of "It's what I do" that confuses Allison is a fun little trick. It helps frame her _sloth_: she's not doing anything because she doesn't necessarily want to, but because she thinks she isn't _supposed to_. Trapped by circumstance, etc. This opens up all kinds of conspiracy theories like Metatron showing her a vision of the future 10000 years ago where she's sidelined via popsicle, _so that she thinks she needs to be in the popsicle_, thus taking her off the board. I like that one; super devious and plays against her unique weakness. It also sets up Allison to show Jadis she can "break the chains of fate" "choose your own destiny" "spit in the face of the relentless, crushing wheel of time" etc by _doing something that Jadis didn't see_, since breaking the timeline is obviously something a King would do.
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May 13, 2022 17:52
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Omniscience in this setting seems to mean knowing truly everything, including what you will do. There would be no ambiguity about what she’s supposed to do, there is just what she does, because she already knows she does it, because she is all knowing. If that sounds absolutely soul crushing it’s probably why she doesn’t do much.
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May 13, 2022 19:04
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LlamaTrauma posted:The double-reading of "It's what I do" that confuses Allison is a fun little trick. It helps frame her _sloth_: she's not doing anything because she doesn't necessarily want to, but because she thinks she isn't _supposed to_. Trapped by circumstance, etc. Allison's struggle must be a terrible fire, growing as she passes it to others. Fire melts ice.
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May 13, 2022 19:12
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The omniscient is nervous because she's talking to someone who, while obviously weakened, still has the power to change the universe
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May 13, 2022 19:15
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yeah the flipside of the curse of omniscience is that losing it would be akin to being cast into a pit of unknowing, losing all your 5 of your senses while still needing to navigate the world. the fear of that could make someone suffer through all the pains of prescience in fear of losing it.
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May 13, 2022 19:50
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I'm not sure Jadis has true omniscience. She saved Allison because "it's what I do". Maybe she just knows what happens, but not why it happens. She has a complete walkthrough for the timeline, but it's a very sparse 'go west, do X, go east, do Y' instead of a descriptive text.
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May 13, 2022 20:34
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Being immortal and knowing everything about everything, but realizing you kind of suck at some things (like social interaction) with no capacity for further growth sounds like it'd be a petty cursed existence. I still think she's overselling her knowledge to some extent and doesn't actually have perfect awareness and more. And she doesn't know where Dave is because he punched a hole in the bottom of the multiverse and fell out. Even if she still has true omniscience it wouldn't tell her poo poo about what's happening outside of reality.
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May 13, 2022 20:35
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Guys I think Jadis might not actually be as omniscient as she claims
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I like that Alison still has it together enough to assume that Jadis wants something from her, just like all the other kings. EDIT: Uh, I haven't been following the thread much but...has the alt text been noticed yet? Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 20:49 on May 13, 2022 |
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May 13, 2022 20:46
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You can tell that Abaddon has spent a lot of time in and out of hospitals lately because Jadis really talks a lot like a doctor trying to affect a good bedside manner. “It’s got plants!”
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May 13, 2022 20:48
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Maybe this was just a really elaborate excuse to not go to a party that got out of hand. “Yeah guys I can’t make it. I, uh… I saw the true shape of the Wheel and now I’m cursed with perfect knowledge of all things OKAY BYE.”
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May 13, 2022 21:13
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nimby posted:I'm not sure Jadis has true omniscience. I think she might be able to "see" everything that happens but not, you know, hear/know what's being said or thought every step of the way A complete picture but very limited context
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May 13, 2022 21:16
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Thundarr posted:Being immortal and knowing everything about everything, but realizing you kind of suck at some things (like social interaction) with no capacity for further growth sounds like it'd be a petty cursed existence. I still think she's overselling her knowledge to some extent and doesn't actually have perfect awareness and more. Yeah it kinda feels more like "she read the script" than "she knows all things at all times"
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May 13, 2022 22:59
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Sloth as choice paralysis and omniscience as the ability to see all of Koss's resets but the inability to process the information is a pretty good take TBH.
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May 13, 2022 23:12
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if she is truly all-knowing, then the form in front of allison is nothing but a poorly-crafted raiment. it appears unsure and confused because this is how its wearer knows mortals to be
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A big flaming stink posted:if she is truly all-knowing, then the form in front of allison is nothing but a poorly-crafted raiment. it appears unsure and confused because this is how its wearer knows mortals to be "Do I look empathetic right now? Yes, which I already knew. Nailing it"
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May 13, 2022 23:23
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bit like tralfamadorians, just because you know everything that is going to happen doesn't mean you have to be rude about it. you know, there's good stuff coming too, trees, ice cream, things of that nature. you don't have to focus on the negatives all the time.
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pseudorandom name posted:Sloth as choice paralysis and omniscience as the ability to see all of Koss's resets but the inability to process the information is a pretty good take TBH. or some say, kossm
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i think its Discworld that has an omniscient character where she has to ask questions she already knows the answer to because she saw herself asking them and "i get a terrible headache if you dont tell me"
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quote:Angua woke up. It was almost noon, she was in her own bed at Mrs Cake's, and someone was knocking at the door.
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paranoid randroid posted:i think its Discworld that has an omniscient character where she has to ask questions she already knows the answer to because she saw herself asking them and "i get a terrible headache if you dont tell me" Yeah Mrs Cake! Though she sometimes is able to turn off her precognition if she wants to. I think perhaps Jadis might work on Dune prescience levels though. The more it's used the more you lock in an outcome that you've seen, nothing you can do prevents it because everything you do to avoid it becomes a step in the chain that causes it. The only way to be sure your future isn't predetermined is to not look at it... and also to not have someone else look at it. Or at one point, have a lot of people kind of look at it at once. Dune kind of stops being interested in this eventually but it does put forward the argument that trying to change the future eventually either messes with your resolve or you become an absolute tyrant.
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Jadis actually has excellent social skills, but she saw herself making awkward faces and hemming and hawing through this whole conversation, so that's just how it is.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Jadis actually has excellent social skills, but she saw herself making awkward faces and hemming and hawing through this whole conversation, so that's just how it is. jadis is making these faces cause she can't stand to see herself on panel
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Shoehead posted:Yeah Mrs Cake! Though she sometimes is able to turn off her precognition if she wants to. It's not that it's on constantly, more that she'll turn it on to see the future for some reason or other and then just absent-mindedly forget to turn it off after. And now she's three steps ahead of the next conversation she has with someone.
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this is apropos of nothing but i was rereading the last couple chapters and realized the first thing White Chain does upon manifesting a mortal body is take a deep breath because its the first breath shes taken ever, in millennia angels aint got lungs, theyre made of controlled nuclear explosions theres no real point to this, i just think its loving cool
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paranoid randroid posted:this is apropos of nothing but i was rereading the last couple chapters and realized the first thing White Chain does upon manifesting a mortal body is take a deep breath because its the first breath shes taken ever, in millennia its also because she was just doing ki rata kind of which is martial arts breathing bullshit right, so she had to sort of kind of maybe. or it parallels dave or whatever
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Jadis actually has excellent social skills, but she saw herself making awkward faces and hemming and hawing through this whole conversation, so that's just how it is. You know how your recorded voice sounds weird to you because you're not hearing it conducted through your skull? Imagine that but it's your entire existence and it never goes away and also you've stopped dying I'd pull faces too
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Phy posted:You know how your recorded voice sounds weird to you because you're not hearing it conducted through your skull? Imagine that but it's your entire existence and it never goes away and also you've stopped dying I do this already in teleconferences where I can see my face
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Phy posted:You know how your recorded voice sounds weird to you because you're not hearing it conducted through your skull? Imagine that but it's your entire existence and it never goes away and also you've stopped dying Welp, now I know what's waiting for me in Hell.
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Phy posted:You know how your recorded voice sounds weird to you because you're not hearing it conducted through your skull? Imagine that but it's your entire existence and it never goes away and also you've stopped dying Wow now I can't stop thinking of this thank u
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Also the room is full of mirrors that reflect how you look in photographs, instead of how you're used to seeing yourself in them.
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also you have perfect recollection of every time you did something embarrassing in public and perfect knowledge of the thoughts of everyone who witnessed them
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jadis all like: "brb guys sealing myself in the Cringe Cube for the rest of the kalpa"
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Jadis' Omniscience means she Sees all of our Hot Takes in this thread.
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Jadis's arc is Jadis saying "I'm cringe" and Allison saying "You are cringe, but by accepting that, you are free."
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girl dick energy posted:Also the room is full of mirrors that reflect how you look in photographs, instead of how you're used to seeing yourself in them. gently caress THAT.
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