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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

gschmidl posted:

It's the one that effectively props up bitcoin's price with the tether printer, no?

in the sense that they're basically creating value out of thin air by claiming it's worth something and then buying butts with it, sure

otoh there's still millions of people that are doing weekend at bernie's cosplay on coinbase and binance, so i honestly don't know if this is Good For Bitcoin

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njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


tether if I remember right is the one thing that basically all of crypto points to as it’s backing and liquidity, hence if it dies the entire market has its curtain ripped away, hence most important because if it falls it can take the entire crypto market with it

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

njsykora posted:

tether if I remember right is the one thing that basically all of crypto points to as it’s backing and liquidity, hence if it dies the entire market has its curtain ripped away, hence most important because if it falls it can take the entire crypto market with it

i'm sure it backs an absolute poo poo ton of monopoly money, but the major coins like BTC and ETH have institutional support, unfortunately. that's why i'm kinda hesitant to say "lol yeah it's definitely gonna crash and burn"

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

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Toilet Rascal

fuckers are stealing my posts! i'm minting all my posts as nfts from now on!

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Beeftweeter posted:

lol, "tether is the most important crypto" by what measure exactly?

oh wait i know, it's "oh gently caress i dumped everything into tether"

it's capable of suddenly and sharply going to zero and blowing up the entire crypto ecosystem because it is propped up on a lie about reality that can be abruptly falsified

bitcoin is just a mass delusion so it can't as effectively suddenly collapse

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

also 30% apr is insanely high for a ponzi scheme they must be loving desperate

monday should be good

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/ben_mckenzie/status/1525214499770454018

DrankSinatra
Aug 25, 2011

I get paying depositors 30% APR for liquidity in USD, but what value does paying interest on Tether give them? If people are cashing out, who’d be happy with tether?

DrankSinatra fucked around with this message at 23:19 on May 14, 2022

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

DrankSinatra posted:

I get paying depositors 30% APR for liquidity in USD, but what value does paying interest on Tether give them? If people are cashing out, who’d be happy with tether?

If you pay 30% for real money and not for tether everyone will exchange their tether for real money defeating the point

DrankSinatra
Aug 25, 2011

evilweasel posted:

If you pay 30% for real money and not for tether everyone will exchange their tether for real money defeating the point

My first thought was “I guess that makes sense, but it seems predicated on people being stupid as poo poo.”

But, well, yep

xarph
Jun 18, 2001



I love that larry david was paid a ton of USD to play a luddite who called crypto a fraud in a super bowl ad and will turn out to be right

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
my "i am not a scam" superbowl ad has a lot of people asking questions already answered by the ad

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Beeftweeter posted:

i'm sure it backs an absolute poo poo ton of monopoly money, but the major coins like BTC and ETH have institutional support, unfortunately. that's why i'm kinda hesitant to say "lol yeah it's definitely gonna crash and burn"

Institutional support in what sense? From what I've seen all banks involved in crypto poo poo apart from startups have all been as custodians or similar i.e. not holding any exposure to it

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

Institutional support in what sense? From what I've seen all banks involved in crypto poo poo apart from startups have all been as custodians or similar i.e. not holding any exposure to it

i'm sure someone else can answer this more in-depth because i don't really follow what the giant firms do with crypto, but as an example fidelity (which manages trillions in pension funds, 401ks, etc) just made butts part of their service like last week. this happened, iirc, about two days before everything went sideways

e: in addition to ETFs and whatnot there's also paypal, venmo, robinhood, poo poo like that. afaik if you buy crypto on venmo or paypal (same thing ultimately) you don't actually get a wallet, so good luck transferring it somewhere else or converting it to some other crypto junk. the same was true for robinhood but apparently they offer private wallets now

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 01:37 on May 15, 2022

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Beeftweeter posted:

i'm sure someone else can answer this more in-depth because i don't really follow what the giant firms do with crypto, but as an example fidelity (which manages trillions in pension funds, 401ks, etc) just made butts part of their service like last week. this happened, iirc, about two days before everything went sideways

Yea cch that's just like, "well let you buy it (or a synthetic product that tracks it), but it may go to zero, buyer beware!" They aren't gonna be invested in the asset itself at all. That's almost the opposite of their job.

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

Yea cch that's just like, "well let you buy it (or a synthetic product that tracks it), but it may go to zero, buyer beware!" They aren't gonna be invested in the asset itself at all. That's almost the opposite of their job.

lol i edited while you were replying, but wouldn't they need some way to do the conversion anyway?

i mean since they're presumably not just pulling btc out of their asses (to the extent that you accept btc has value) for someone to hold on to, there's got to be some sort of trading exposure going on so that they can actually provide it to people. i don't see how it would work without them acting as a middleman. they'd need to buy butts from an exchange and then offload it somewhere, somehow, in the event it's actually worth something. that would give them exposure i guess, however brief it might be

again i honestly don't really know how that whole system works because lol yeah sure like i'm gonna buy butts

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

DrankSinatra posted:

I get paying depositors 30% APR for liquidity in USD, but what value does paying interest on Tether give them? If people are cashing out, who’d be happy with tether?

they figure if they wave enough big numbers under people's noses, they'll stop cashing out and go back to hodling

GenJoe
Sep 15, 2010


Rehabilitated?


That's just a bullshit word.
they do the exchange and then charge their customers a fee for the transaction. that's how these firms make money, they don't care about the underlying asset just as much as your broker doesn't care that the shares of peleton you bought through them are now worth like a 10th of the value

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.
https://twitter.com/coffeebreak_YT/status/1525478171575033856?s=20&t=H28cq9rmYF3C_2C7VEkllQ

speculation that all of the bitcoin assets in the LFG were *shocker* not actually spent on propping up Terra but instead have vanished!

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

fuckers are stealing my posts! i'm minting all my posts as nfts from now on!

I've already minted your post so both you and david own me money for using it without my permission. Real money.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

DrankSinatra posted:

I get paying depositors 30% APR for liquidity in USD, but what value does paying interest on Tether give them? If people are cashing out, who’d be happy with tether?

The tether has to be locked in for a period of time in order to get those APR numbers. So the value is preventing people from getting rid of their tether.

Also since they are supposed to be interchangeable for dollars you're also preventing the dollars escaping the ponzi.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Man it's been a while since I've posted in this thread. SC did replace butts for my pena ajena fix for a while.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Cantorsdust posted:

https://twitter.com/coffeebreak_YT/status/1525478171575033856?s=20&t=H28cq9rmYF3C_2C7VEkllQ

speculation that all of the bitcoin assets in the LFG were *shocker* not actually spent on propping up Terra but instead have vanished!

They are bailing out the high rollers and leaving everyone else hanging. Also underlying the system was rotten from the start given it was entirely a scam.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

trucutru posted:

I've already minted your post so both you and david own me money for using it without my permission. Real money.
shake uses slurp juice

it's super effective

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
exchanges shouldn't need to do any sneaky bullshit since they can straight just make money by slurping off a bit of every transaction as (additional) fees and yet somehow they always get into the shadiest poo poo

lol butt coin

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Cantorsdust posted:

https://twitter.com/coffeebreak_YT/status/1525478171575033856?s=20&t=H28cq9rmYF3C_2C7VEkllQ

speculation that all of the bitcoin assets in the LFG were *shocker* not actually spent on propping up Terra but instead have vanished!

that’s a lot more clever than I thought they were

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Beeftweeter posted:

lol, "tether is the most important crypto" by what measure exactly?

oh wait i know, it's "oh gently caress i dumped everything into tether"
no, tether is absolutely the most important thing in the crypto space because it's the main load bearing scam

like if you understand one thing about the crypto market in the period since china shut down all the chinese exchanges it should be fuckin' tether

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
buttcoin:

SubG posted:

load bearing scam

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Zamujasa posted:

exchanges shouldn't need to do any sneaky bullshit since they can straight just make money by slurping off a bit of every transaction as (additional) fees and yet somehow they always get into the shadiest poo poo

lol butt coin
yeah but in order for a casino to make a living on the rake there has to be a rake. consistently the problem is that all indicators say that the equilibrium position of the market is well below the price that's needed to pay to operate the market

poo poo like tether is there to keep the price high enough that their percentage is enough (in actual, real money) that they (and everyone else) can keep the lights on. if the price today fell to anything remotely approximating where it was before the tether started fortuitously discovering billions of dollars in the seat cushions, then literally every exchange and mining operation would suddenly be underwater

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

SubG posted:

no, tether is absolutely the most important thing in the crypto space because it's the main load bearing scam

like if you understand one thing about the crypto market in the period since china shut down all the chinese exchanges it should be fuckin' tether

i get what tether does. what i was saying is that while it might wipe out a bunch of altcoins, i'm not entirely sure about btc itself

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
also jfc that was a joke about how every crypto bro on twitter invariably says whatever they hold the most of is the most important. jeez sorry it wasn't funny i guess

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
something like 70% of btc's upward price movement over the past several years is due to tether

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
and for comparison it's something like 6% for transactions with actual us dollars

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

SubG posted:

something like 70% of btc's upward price movement over the past several years is due to tether

that is indeed a lot, unironically thanks for this because i'm too lazy to look up crypto stats

so yeah this should get interesting pretty fast it seems

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Shumagorath posted:

buttcoin:

SubG posted:

load bearing scam

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/Fish_CTO/status/1525685785235628032

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Beeftweeter posted:

also jfc that was a joke about how every crypto bro on twitter invariably says whatever they hold the most of is the most important. jeez sorry it wasn't funny i guess

yospos buthc

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Weatherman posted:

yospos buthc

lately i'm into an obscure thing called "computer comedy", you probably haven't heard of it

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Beeftweeter posted:

lately i'm into an obscure thing called "computer comedy", you probably haven't heard of it

given your posting neither have you

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

sorry your posting is quite fine but you can’t set yourself up like that

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