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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

In solidarity. UwU

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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Apple is afraid now.

https://twitter.com/LaurenKGurley/status/1524815279246585863

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/12/23069415/apple-retail-unionization-talking-points-scripts

quote:

The report says the company has sent around a document full of talking points like “an outside union that doesn’t know Apple” or its culture."

:jerkbag:

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

It's really weird how they keep saying unions are outsiders.

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Doing some kind of...agitating activity, from where they are on the outside.

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

first starbucks in michigan unionized

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/05/grand-rapids-starbucks-workers-first-to-unionize-in-michigan.html

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


Let's goooooooooo!

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

Edited because I felt I gave away too much information:..

I just want to know how difficult it is to unionize a higher paid white collar salaried workplace, especially if a union already exists within the company at the plant level.

Kraftwerk has issued a correction as of 21:03 on May 17, 2022

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

That's something I'd also be interested in since I'm a controls engineer focusing on industrial maintenance and basically all the plants around here (save one a while away) have engineers in managment

dxt
Mar 27, 2004
METAL DISCHARGE

StashAugustine posted:

That's something I'd also be interested in since I'm a controls engineer focusing on industrial maintenance and basically all the plants around here (save one a while away) have engineers in managment

Also a controls engineer (I work for a custom machine build company though) who would be interested in this. It's something I've always thought about doing, but the engineers I've worked with tend to skew right wing if they have any sort of political beliefs at all.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Kraftwerk posted:

Edited because I felt I gave away too much information:..

I just want to know how difficult it is to unionize a higher paid white collar salaried workplace, especially if a union already exists within the company at the plant level.

Lots of white collar jobs unionize. Many of the jobs within my union (CWA) are office jobs: reporters, game designers, QA, etc. etc.

Every workplace is different, but not being a Stereotypical Union Job shouldn't stop you.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I guess what worries me isn't that engineers aren't stereotypical Union Jobs, it's that we're part of management under the current system; even if there's no hard reason for it

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

FWIW management as a job title and "manager" as understood by the NLRB are somewhat different ideas. You're only really a manager if you have independent decision making authority over like, budgets, schedules, hiring/firing, etc.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

kingcobweb posted:

Lots of white collar jobs unionize. Many of the jobs within my union (CWA) are office jobs: reporters, game designers, QA, etc. etc.

Every workplace is different, but not being a Stereotypical Union Job shouldn't stop you.

I reached out to the USW - because they already represent like 60+ people at my company in different regions. Their organizer was extremely nice and super helpful.

I'm trying to unionize my role, the assistant roles who support me and the procurement team as we all got lumped in together and we're all varying degrees of pissed off...

My issue is that I can't figure out how to initiate this topic. The steelworkers want me to map out who they can reach out to to begin organizing efforts but I'm still hesitant.

I have a very outspoken coworker who has a husband who works for Amazon so she doesn't care if she loses her job as they'll somehow manage. We talked a bit about my grievances and when I brought up the idea of a union she balked at the topic. She told me it would be an extremely difficult and uphill battle because a lot of the people in the company are dependent on their jobs for their livelihoods and have dependents so trying to rock the boat and unionize would scare the poo poo out of them. She told me the company would far more likely notice if I tried to quit my job than if I tried to unionize it. So that has taken the wind out of my sails a bit.

All I know is my role and some of the supporting roles that come with it carry with it an enormous amount of leverage over the company. Even if I just plainly quit my job I'd be putting them in an extremely difficult situation. My boss would have to work nights just to pick up my workload and it would take them at least a few months of this before they could move around my replacement. They can't easily hire external candidates cuz HR is a gong show and most external candidates wouldn't take the job anyway because it underpaid by at least 35-40% relative to the market for this sort of work.

Kraftwerk has issued a correction as of 03:24 on May 18, 2022

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Kraftwerk posted:

We talked a bit about my grievances and when I brought up the idea of a union she balked at the topic. She told me it would be an extremely difficult and uphill battle because a lot of the people in the company are dependent on their jobs for their livelihoods and have dependents so trying to rock the boat and unionize would scare the poo poo out of them. She told me the company would far more likely notice if I tried to quit my job than if I tried to unionize it. So that has taken the wind out of my sails a bit.
I wish I could offer more advice but as a fallback, there is always a minority union (i.e. the google union, which isn't "real" and can't collectively bargain nor does it have NLRB backing, but it still has power).

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

Kraftwerk posted:

I reached out to the USW - because they already represent like 60+ people at my company in different regions. Their organizer was extremely nice and super helpful.

I'm trying to unionize my role, the assistant roles who support me and the procurement team as we all got lumped in together and we're all varying degrees of pissed off...

My issue is that I can't figure out how to initiate this topic. The steelworkers want me to map out who they can reach out to to begin organizing efforts but I'm still hesitant.

I have a very outspoken coworker who has a husband who works for Amazon so she doesn't care if she loses her job as they'll somehow manage. We talked a bit about my grievances and when I brought up the idea of a union she balked at the topic. She told me it would be an extremely difficult and uphill battle because a lot of the people in the company are dependent on their jobs for their livelihoods and have dependents so trying to rock the boat and unionize would scare the poo poo out of them. She told me the company would far more likely notice if I tried to quit my job than if I tried to unionize it. So that has taken the wind out of my sails a bit.

All I know is my role and some of the supporting roles that come with it carry with it an enormous amount of leverage over the company. Even if I just plainly quit my job I'd be putting them in an extremely difficult situation. My boss would have to work nights just to pick up my workload and it would take them at least a few months of this before they could move around my replacement. They can't easily hire external candidates cuz HR is a gong show and most external candidates wouldn't take the job anyway because it underpaid by at least 35-40% relative to the market for this sort of work.

Full disclosure, I have never fully gone through organizing an office, but I did go through some of the initial steps and have done some thinking around white collar organizing

I have 2 thoughts that I hope can help.

1.) I think the word "Union" can be almost as bad to use with fellow works as management. Workers "in the office" who know what unions are also usually know that management hates them with a passion. It's a dangerous concept and involves risk. One of my first organizing conversations was with someone who I knew was a socialist, but she dismissed the concept out of hand. Not because she didn't agree, but because the others wouldn't. I think it's a cop out because they're afraid of taking the risk themselves. And as poo poo as stuff can be, office work is still kind of a cushy job by the nature of the work, so I can understand not sticking one's neck out. A buddy of mine in the Teacher's union tells me it's an unspoken rule to never actually use the word union, it's always "the association".

2.) I think the best place to start would be with something low-stakes like a book club or a culture/social club. Make sure there's no budget or management oversight at all, since the point here is to begin asserting worker power & autonomy, even if it's just a sliver. Then invite the people that you think would be useful to have, especially if you know that they are already well-respected and good at their work. It's an easy way to get people together to talk about stuff that isn't specifically work (which I think is part of building the trust necessary to then build up a union). It also gives cross-functional folks an excuse to talk, helps you practice event organizing and leading (if you can get 5 people to voluntarily show up somewhere on their lunch-break, you can get them to do more things too.). Also it does an inverse filter on folks who are totally checked out and wouldn't want to organize anyway.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/SBWUPDX/status/1526683021713149952

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1526908842268934144

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



check out how yellow unions work:

summary: Glitch employees unionzed a while ago. Amazon sold them off to Fastly, and they are now dissolving the union. The managers probably made out like a bandit

https://twitter.com/DannyPage/status/1527283840938610689

idk how to fight that. union membership in denmark is on a sharp decline, which is worrying beause we dont actually have a legislated minimum wage. all wages are bargained either individually or through unions (which has historically been a positive), but what happens when the members leave?

there is a classic quote: in 1982 Thomas Nielsen, then-chairman of LO (danish union umbrella org) said "vi har sejret ad helvede til" which can be translated to "we have succeeded to hell". nobody alive today even has grandparents who worked before unions. we have become complacent. everyone feels they did it all by themselves. i fear for our meager workers rights.

sorry

Carthag Tuek has issued a correction as of 23:23 on May 20, 2022

Lazy Robot
Jan 18, 2001

yospos
Workplace status: Organized.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1528821388798312449?cxt=HHwWgoC-xf-8u7cqAAAA

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


now: GET GOOD CONTRACT

:black101:

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Huge given the labor views of the average gaming employee.

Not surprised it's testers, though.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Who needs Pinkertons

https://twitter.com/32BJSEIU/status/1529924470974062592

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/morgfair/status/1532524375244537856

quote:

“In Germany an employer cannot dictate the rules just as he likes,” said Birgit Dietze, a regional IG Metall leader, in a statement. “A worker can rely on the strength and power of her or his union if she or he does not want to accept the demands of the company,” she added, recognizing the German constitution’s protections for labor organizing.

IG Metall represents metalworkers, including those working for other car makers like BMW and Volkswagen. Earlier this year, the union opened an office close to Tesla’s Brandenburg facility, and in February, employees at the factory, some of whom were union members, elected 19 delegates to its first workers’ council.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
I did union outreach today with leave for union business that's in the contract :3:

We didn't sign anyone up, today, but they'll probably sign eventually. The rep liked the way I pitched the union and I'm gonna present during some orientations.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
knights on horseback are unionizing https://www.huffpost.com/entry/medieval-times-workers-first-union_n_62bb1d29e4b0d26a9b14fa17

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Carthag Tuek posted:

check out how yellow unions work:

summary: Glitch employees unionzed a while ago. Amazon sold them off to Fastly, and they are now dissolving the union. The managers probably made out like a bandit

https://twitter.com/DannyPage/status/1527283840938610689

idk how to fight that. union membership in denmark is on a sharp decline, which is worrying beause we dont actually have a legislated minimum wage. all wages are bargained either individually or through unions (which has historically been a positive), but what happens when the members leave?

there is a classic quote: in 1982 Thomas Nielsen, then-chairman of LO (danish union umbrella org) said "vi har sejret ad helvede til" which can be translated to "we have succeeded to hell". nobody alive today even has grandparents who worked before unions. we have become complacent. everyone feels they did it all by themselves. i fear for our meager workers rights.

sorry

hosed up

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


apparently the glitch union's three remaining members decided to dissolve the union after their CBA expired, because they thought the company wouldn't last. that happened before the acquisition. not really a lot to see here.

many contracts have a succession clause, basically stating that if a company/organization/etc. is taken over/sold/etc. then the CBA carries over to the new owner. so acquisitions/etc. aren't necessarily a problem

e: sounds like glitch downsized their unionized staff and sold the company? idk, that's a lot of speculation

JAY ZERO SUM GAME has issued a correction as of 22:53 on Jun 30, 2022

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

https://twitter.com/BrookeZaunerTV/status/1542507881110446081

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


there were a ton picketing at JFK on Thursday, too

i have a very important delta flight out of LGA on Tuesday, but, i mean, do what you gotta do dudes

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

tfw the IT department has heard the term industrial action and likes the way you think

https://twitter.com/GioBenitez/status/1543321732282519552

to be fair thousands of pilots might've just seen an opportunity to not work a hell weekend over the 4th and taken it, but my head canon is funnier.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

mrmcd posted:

tfw the IT department has heard the term industrial action and likes the way you think

https://twitter.com/GioBenitez/status/1543321732282519552

to be fair thousands of pilots might've just seen an opportunity to not work a hell weekend over the 4th and taken it, but my head canon is funnier.

Oh poo poo i'm actually flying AA for my union this week lmao TIME TO FIND OUT IF I'M STILL FLYING

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
https://twitter.com/VzwUnion/status/1544728595247075330

this is the group I’ve been helping

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

this is the real happy news thread. :unsmith:

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1545042495108591617

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005


rural kentucky gives me hope :unsmith:

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


Weird how it's been the red districts that seem to unionize first.

Staten Island was a red oasis in New York, now Kentucky.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Cpt_Obvious posted:

Weird how it's been the red districts that seem to unionize first.

Staten Island was a red oasis in New York, now Kentucky.

the reddest state in the country has anywhere from 25 to 35% of it's population vote for the democrats in presidential elections, and that's just the ones who want to cast a vote that objectively doesn't matter. Red state blue state discourse is brain rot

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Also shitloads (maybe majority?) of people who voted at the Staten island location did not live in Staten island, and even if they do, gerrymandered districts where only 25% of people vote anyway are not a great indication of local political development + interest in labor organizing

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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

gently caress em up, bud :hai:

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