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Clockwerk
Apr 6, 2005


Beeftweeter posted:

imagine being an operator that has to physically connect them :psypop:

My grandpa said that when he was really young he would just pick up the phone at their farmhouse, connect to the operator of their little town and say, “i wanna talk to gramma”, and the operator would recognize his voice, know who his grandma was, and connect the lines.

Of course, no one actually used phones for several decades from their release to the public as it took time for the technology to mature enough for people to find a use case

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Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Jose Valasquez posted:

they better figure it out quick, Bitcoin is 14 years old so they've only got 4 more years before most coiners lose interest

4 more years? you`re too generous

(I can not believe what I wrote it!)

fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009




isn't this the part where the feds showed up at his house to ask him about (then unrelated) fake IDs and ross completely unprompted went like "so guys y'ever hear about that silk road site? nasty stuff, that."

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored




some prime accounts names here

anthony liggins
sean jungus
gregory shart

kalensc
Sep 10, 2003

Only Trust Your Respirator, kupo!
Art/Quote by: Rubby
From the wiki:


quote:

In order for Alice to steal Bob’s funds, she must attempt to close the channel non-cooperatively (without the knowledge of the other party) and speculate at a moment when the other side is not online. If these conditions are met, then Alice will broadcast an older channel state and hope that Bob will not get online within the established time (usually 24 hours) to automatically set the record straight.

Bob’s node knows that the transaction history is different from Alice’s malevolent revisionism, and it will engage the justice system if the internet connection (or power) gets restored before the time limit. If Alice is successful in her attempt, then she will irreversibly steal funds she illegitimately requested from Bob due to the channel closing and the transaction being written in a Bitcoin block. But if Bob returns within the time limit, then Alice will be penalized by losing all the bitcoins she put on the channel

well now they're juat cribbing from Sakaguchi's early drafts for ffviii

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

kalensc posted:

From the wiki:

well now they're juat cribbing from Sakaguchi's early drafts for ffviii

here's how time compression is good for bitcoin

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
we must use time kompression to erase all fud from past present and future

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

LanceHunter posted:

Wow, this could lead to some really messy situations if there were any unscrupulous people involved in bitcoin.

no, stealing coins would violate the nap so clearly a rational actor wouldn't do such a thing.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
no don't you see, in order to steal the coins the person risks losing all of their coins, no one would ever take that risk!

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

SubG posted:

also known as the traveling scamsman problem

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Boxturret posted:

no don't you see, in order to steal the coins the person risks losing all of their coins, no one would ever take that risk!

what if we just give all our private keys to a trusted centralized automatic justice strike machine so it can justice strike bad actors who try to rob our lightning node even while we're on vacation

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy


:thunk: Hmmm, cyclical economic pressures you say?



I think that guy is up to something

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1526414316261584896

diamond hands!! or maybe he just forgot about ever owning the coin

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
buy a million coins, hide them under a birdbath in the middle of the woods, never think about them until you hear on the news that they've gone up 100000%, go to find your birdbath and find a giant apartment complex in it's place, this is the way of the diamond hands

Boxturret fucked around with this message at 05:31 on May 17, 2022

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

is this man going to die Tony Montana style? If so can we set up bird cams

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Alan Smithee posted:

is this man going to die Tony Montana style? If so can we set up bird cams

lol, there won't be consequences for this

miami's entire economy is basically tourism and real estate speculation from shady rear end anonymous matryoshka LLCs, we'll all be better off when it's inevitably swallowed by the ocean

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

Kill All Cops posted:

https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1526414316261584896

diamond hands!! or maybe he just forgot about ever owning the coin

At what point does a strategy cease to be a strategy

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Kill All Cops posted:

https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1526414316261584896

diamond hands!! or maybe he just forgot about ever owning the coin

The whole diamond hands thing is hilarious: Because trading is buying AND selling, not sitting on devalued assets.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

yes, every lightning network connection is between two people and they have to commit upfront to every bitcoin that they ever want to spend over it (which will get locked into the lightning channel). if it runs out you have to spend enormous bitcoin transaction fees creating a new channel.
then if you want to send bits coin to someone you don't have a direct connection with you have to solve an NP-hard problem to traverse the graph and pay nofees at each leg of the journey.

if you send $100 it also consumes $100 worth of the up-front liquidity from each connection it passes through, so if someone doesn't send a similar transaction backwards through those same nodes they will eventually get exhausted and have to be recreated
i assumed lightning network meant like they just increased the block size and compressed the protocol to handle a lot more transactions or w/e shows how stupid i am

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

:hmmyes:

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

comedyblissoption posted:

i assumed lightning network meant like they just increased the block size and compressed the protocol to handle a lot more transactions or w/e shows how stupid i am

this is the fundamental problem with proof of work though

if transaction fees are too low then you can make a million identities and flood the network with garbage transactions between them
if transaction fees are too high then you can't use it as a currency (well, for all sorts of reasons but that is one of them)

every decentralized thing eventually reduces to a spam filtering problem. algorithms can't save you here because even humans can't agree on whether some random newcomer is a worthwhile contribution to their community. especially when a large flood of newcomers might all be the same underlying flesh-and-blood human wearing a million different faces and you have no way of knowing.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

CommieGIR posted:

The whole diamond hands thing is hilarious: Because trading is buying AND selling, not sitting on devalued assets.

in forex trading it has been empirically shown that an automated loss-exit strategy is a net positive in the long run. however, this strategy is counter to natural human behavior.

basically, if you set every trade to cash out immediately at a small loss or large gain, you'll take a lot of tiny losses but gain more than enough on winners to make up for it. however, humans suffer from what is known as the disposition effect. so when a human watches the trade, even if they set stop losses or take profits at the start of the trade, they'll cut winners too soon and hold onto losers forever if they can change their stop loss.

the people who started yelling diamond hands at others were, in large part, making sure that the bagholders they were duping kept holding the bags long enough for them to make money off of it. people on wallstreetbets aren't just jackasses off the street. a loving bloomberg terminal is tens of thousands of dollars a month. all the meme stock and crypto poo poo has been predatory from the start.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

FT posted:

Investors pull $7bn from Tether as stablecoin jitters intensify

Tether’s market value falls 9% after stablecoin briefly lost peg against US dollar


Traders have yanked $7bn from Tether since the world’s biggest stablecoin last week briefly lost its peg against the US dollar, intensifying concerns about the assets that underpin the global cryptocurrency market.

Tether’s market value has fallen by 9 per cent since May 12 to $76bn as tokens have been removed from circulation to meet redemption requests, CryptoCompare data show. The decline came after Tether last Thursday traded at about 95 cents, well below the $1 level it seeks to maintain following the failure of a smaller rival.

Observers inside and outside the crypto market have warned that deeper or more lasting volatility in stablecoins, which are designed to maintain a one-to-one peg with the dollar, could drag down the value of thousands of speculative crypto assets that have drawn buyers around the world.

“There is no guarantee that [stablecoins] can be redeemed at par at any time — just last week the world’s biggest stablecoin temporarily lost its peg to the dollar,” Fabio Panetta, an executive board member at the European Central Bank, said in a speech on Monday.

Panetta added that stablecoin holders could not claim deposit insurance to recoup any losses and operators were not able to access bank standing facilities, leaving the tokens vulnerable to runs. He pointed to last week’s collapse in TerraUSD, once a top-five stablecoin, as an example of this risk.

“It is an illusion to believe that private instruments can act as money when they cannot be converted at par into public money at all times,” the ECB official added.




Hopping in and out of crypto assets using mainstream currencies such as the dollar or sterling can be clunky. Instead, digital asset enthusiasts often use stablecoins, which are native to crypto’s blockchain technology and are designed to keep a one-to-one link with the greenback.

As Tether has faced outflows, the stablecoin’s largest rival, Circle’s USD Coin, has drawn a 5 per cent increase in funds during the same period.

“My understanding is there’s very strong outflow out of some stablecoins, but some inflow into other stablecoins. All of that is suggesting it’s time for stablecoins to really become stable,” said Tobias Adrian, director of the monetary and capital markets department at the IMF.

Big stablecoins are typically lightly regulated, and many are not regulated at all. But central banks are keeping a close eye on developments in the space in case it hits household wealth by depressing crypto prices or sparks other financial stability risks, particularly for tokens such as Tether that are backed with financial asset reserves.



In a March 2022 report, the Bank of England said that while stablecoins could play “an increasingly important role in payments . . . public confidence in money and payments could be undermined if a systemic stablecoin used for payments fails to meet its obligations”.

Tether’s operators have said the token is backed by a basket of dollar-based assets equal to the size of the tokens outstanding, but it has not released granular details of these reserves. In an interview with the Financial Times last week, Tether executive Paolo Ardoino said revealing details about the group’s reserve management would give away the company’s “secret sauce”.

The company declined to comment on its outflows on Monday. In a blog post, Tether said it “engages in constant risk-management and stress-test scenarios, ensuring it always has at hand, a liquid portfolio of assets to manage redemptions, even in a bank-run scenario”.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
has anyone said wildcoin yet

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Sapozhnik posted:

every decentralized thing eventually reduces to a spam filtering problem. algorithms can't save you here because even humans can't agree on whether some random newcomer is a worthwhile contribution to their community. especially when a large flood of newcomers might all be the same underlying flesh-and-blood human wearing a million different faces and you have no way of knowing.
much like on SA, most newcomers are in fact known criminals easily identified by their return to previous patterns

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde


they comin for you circle (grim reaper meme)

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/BAMFpodcast/status/1526294853570531328

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
hmm

just how fungible is this virtual land plot in an ape game that does not and may not ever exist? is it fungible? i've heard it may be non-fungible.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Beeftweeter posted:

hmm

just how fungible is this virtual land plot in an ape game that does not and may not ever exist? is it fungible? i've heard it may be non-fungible.

Don't forget that future lucrative ape casino.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

CommieGIR posted:

Don't forget that future lucrative ape casino.

Second Life was ahead of its time

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

CommieGIR posted:

Don't forget that future lucrative ape casino.
plz do not funge in the casino :mad:

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

CommieGIR posted:

Don't forget that future lucrative ape casino.

but they already sold a bunch of jpegs!!

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

CommieGIR posted:

Don't forget that future lucrative ape casino.

Oh it's happening!

Lol. This article.

"As I described in an earlier article, the artwork is really important when I buy a collectible or piece of art that I intend on holding for a long time. It needs to be interesting and unique enough to stand out and attract and maintain a large audience, and ideally be something people want to show off, thus acting as promoters for the project.

The Gambling Apes artwork is of really high quality. The apes themselves are super well done and the discrete background illustrations add a nice visual element."

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Escape From Noise posted:

Oh it's happening!

Lol. This article.

"As I described in an earlier article, the artwork is really important when I buy a collectible or piece of art that I intend on holding for a long time. It needs to be interesting and unique enough to stand out and attract and maintain a large audience, and ideally be something people want to show off, thus acting as promoters for the project.

The Gambling Apes artwork is of really high quality. The apes themselves are super well done and the discrete background illustrations add a nice visual element."


lol they're hideous. gj "investors"

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Escape From Noise posted:

Oh it's happening!

Lol. This article.

"As I described in an earlier article, the artwork is really important when I buy a collectible or piece of art that I intend on holding for a long time. It needs to be interesting and unique enough to stand out and attract and maintain a large audience, and ideally be something people want to show off, thus acting as promoters for the project.

The Gambling Apes artwork is of really high quality. The apes themselves are super well done and the discrete background illustrations add a nice visual element."


Nothing, absolutely nothing says "Wise Investors" like people not understanding the house always wins in a Casino.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Beeftweeter posted:

hmm

just how fungible is this virtual land plot in an ape game that does not and may not ever exist? is it fungible? i've heard it may be non-fungible.

Buddy, they won't even let me funge it.

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Paladinus posted:

Buddy, they won't even let me funge it.

tbf converting the apes into funge would probably be better and more profitable for all concerned, so it's not surprising

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
https://twitter.com/ColoradoMike81/status/1526405192568082432?s=20&t=wwoc9NmuR2YMui8H2LKKsg

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

Beeftweeter posted:

lol they're hideous. gj "investors"

oh? you think it’s hideous? you fool, that only makes them an even better investment!

quote:

Their attitude and big grinning faces aren’t for everyone, but this only serves to strengthen the dedication and engagement among the people who do love the artwork. I see that as a plus.

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Pigbuster posted:

oh? you think it’s hideous? you fool, that only makes them an even better investment!

god damnit, owned by grinning apes with 'tude again, that's the same reason why they won't let me back into the bronx zoo

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