Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
damn horror queefs
Oct 14, 2005

say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

Casey Finnigan posted:

i mean come on. writing rap lyrics is definitely analogous to poetry. it's literally the same thing

I like them both! But one is set to music and the other isn't. It's a huge difference. They're comparable certainly but not the same.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

the tone of the article, or at least of the tweet trying to get people to read the article, has a definite undercurrent of "author has nothing to talk about on dates or at parties and has decided this is everyone else's fault"

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

me, to a group of extremely bored and annoyed-looking women at a party: Please, I beg you, get over yourselves and into Coheed & Cambria's landmark third album Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume One: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness!

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


that article is just this comedy bang bang spinoff podcast:
https://twitter.com/ScottAukerman/status/1509190730236919808?s=20&t=yC9ukIawhDU0dFYDGRqJ5w

which is really funny by the way. every episode starts with a rambling, pretentious monologue that goes no where.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
men should read and write more fanfiction instead

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


I read comic books like a big boy

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Nichael posted:

that article is just this comedy bang bang spinoff podcast:
https://twitter.com/ScottAukerman/status/1509190730236919808?s=20&t=yC9ukIawhDU0dFYDGRqJ5w

which is really funny by the way. every episode starts with a rambling, pretentious monologue that goes no where.

i've def mentioned it in this thread before but the second season of Mitra's show on adult swim "Three Busy Debras" just finished and I liked it a lot. It's very fuckin stupid and goofy.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
there's plenty of romantic fanfiction about tony stark and captain american falling in love (good for girls)

Where's the fanfic about tuca and bertie facing down the apocalypse (good for boys)

come on now

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Casey Finnigan posted:

there's plenty of romantic fanfiction about tony stark and captain american falling in love (good for girls)

Where's the fanfic about tuca and bertie facing down the apocalypse (good for boys)

come on now

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

loquacius posted:

I'm not gonna read this but acting like it's some sort of failing on the part of the opposite sex that they don't like the same culture you do is supposed to be MRA poo poo

women, please, I beg you, get over yourselves and just get good at dark souls already :rolleyes:

the women's lit movement needs to address why they won't all talk about how good a novel lolita is

pushpins
Sep 11, 2006


Title text (optional; no images are allowed, only text)
I didn't like Tuca and Bertie that much, another thing for women to yell at me about

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

loquacius posted:

Everything worked out eventually; I had a new job by the time the baby arrived and she really helped me get back some sense of purpose, but it was super rough for a while there

to put it in [Pop Culture] terms, y'know how in Oblivion if you let Martin Septim die you get a little dialog that says something about how like the thread of destiny has been severed, and there's no way to win, but you can keep playing if you really want to? It's something like "you may reload a save, or persist in the doomed world you have created"? About half of 2020 felt like that to me. The world was irreparably hosed and rapidly getting worse, there was no way to win, we had in fact already lost, but I wasn't dead and was just still playing in fail-state

Sorry if that's a bummer, but maintain your mental health C-SPAM, it's very important for your loved ones

You're thinking of Morrowind, quest-essential NPCs in Oblivion are literally unkillable without console commands lol

That said I still want to beat Oblivion someday, I like just loading it up and running around. That game's flaws have been discussed to death but that style of game still hasn't worn out its welcome with me.

C-Euro has issued a correction as of 17:11 on May 18, 2022

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I've never touched an elden scroll but my mom has like two hundred hours in skyrim on her switch

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

i say swears online posted:

I've never touched an elden scroll but my mom has like two hundred hours in skyrim on her switch

Good for her.

Also the skyrim mod manager works on Steam's handheld lol.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Casey Finnigan posted:

there's plenty of romantic fanfiction about tony stark and captain american falling in love (good for girls)

Where's the fanfic about tuca and bertie facing down the apocalypse (good for boys)

come on now

I think the classic feminist explanation for these kinds of phenomena is that masculine fantasies are addressed sufficiently in popular culture while feminine ones are kept out via institutional barriers, so individual women are forced to project their fantasies onto their favored media themselves if they want to see them

but IMO it only really holds up in the 2020s if you include literal pornography in your analysis

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

if a man wants to imagine Mulder and Scully having incredibly raunchy heterosexual intercourse he can probably find a VHS approximating it in a sketchy store, but a woman has to write her Snape/Harry fanfic herself

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
when i was a kid i wrote a fanfic about cloud strife coming to the cul de sac from ed edd n eddy and hanging out with everyone

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

drat horror queefs posted:

At least 90% of "modern lit" novels are loving dogshit and in particular the award winning ones are usually the most insufferable garbage among them (how are Jonathan Franzen or Jennifer Egan still getting work??).

The best thing about reading old books is that the trash of its era tends to get filtered out through time (except Dickens, somehow), but that doesn't exactly keep the industry alive.

Anyway the reality is that novels, as an artistic medium of any real social impact, are dying/dead and that's okay :shrug: and I say that as someone who reads novels daily. Poetry died a long time ago and frankly I'm more sad about that

(though tangentially, written poetry is alive and well in, for example, the Arab world, it's just dead in the west. (and don't say rap is modern western poetry because it's a different medium entirely imo))

Poetry as we know it has a strong connection to lyricism and music so I don't think it's unfair to say it evolved into ballads and songs and such, but I do agree with you that I lament the loss of it as an art form in western culture

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

C-Euro posted:

You're thinking of Morrowind, quest-essential NPCs are literally unkillable without console commands lol

That said I still want to beat Oblivion someday, I like just loading it up and running around. That game's flaws have been discussed to death but that style of game still hasn't worn out its welcome with me.

poo poo I googled and you're right, it was Morrowind, my creaky middle-aged mind is playing tricks on me

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

loquacius posted:

if a man wants to imagine Mulder and Scully having incredibly raunchy heterosexual intercourse he can probably find a VHS approximating it in a sketchy store, but a woman has to write her Snape/Harry fanfic herself

Didn't the former gently caress in the show?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Tankbuster posted:

Didn't the former gently caress in the show?

confession, I have never watched an X-File

will get over myself and into it at the next available opportunity

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i've def mentioned it in this thread before but the second season of Mitra's show on adult swim "Three Busy Debras" just finished and I liked it a lot. It's very fuckin stupid and goofy.

I need to check this out.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

loquacius posted:

confession, I have never watched an X-File

will get over myself and into it at the next available opportunity

A lot of it still holds up, and the recent HD transfers look really loving good.
Thank god so much of that era of TV was shot on film rather than tape

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
X files is really good because it dealt with the post cold war issue of
>are we the baddies
in a fun way.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i've def mentioned it in this thread before but the second season of Mitra's show on adult swim "Three Busy Debras" just finished and I liked it a lot. It's very fuckin stupid and goofy.

Three Busy Debras is good fun

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

reading is gay

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

They split the last season of BCS into 2 seasons. -_-

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
Men did not stop reading literary fiction, nor did they abandon the avant-garde of writing: They realized that they had said all that they could say within the stifling constraints of the old medium of books, and moved on to the real avant-garde of writing; video games.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


A Buttery Pastry posted:

Men did not stop reading literary fiction, nor did they abandon the avant-garde of writing: They realized that they had said all that they could say within the stifling constraints of the old medium of books, and moved on to the real avant-garde of writing; video games.

:patriot:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

video games aren't art you fat hamburger american

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Elden Ring lore would probably be at least competitive with a lot of genre fiction, if the game bothered telling you any of it

First major boss in the game was some guy named Margit, I still have no idea what his deal was, who he was, or why he particularly wanted me dead

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
video game writing is by and large not very good.

a couple games are standouts but it just has not historically been super common that companies that are capable of putting together video games are also able to put together high quality stories

probably as indie games continue to blow up and it gets even easier to make them + their audiences grow even larger we'll see some improvement. Like how disco elysium was essentially a text adventure that they gussied up in Unity

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

loquacius posted:

Elden Ring lore would probably be at least competitive with a lot of genre fiction, if the game bothered telling you any of it

First major boss in the game was some guy named Margit, I still have no idea what his deal was, who he was, or why he particularly wanted me dead

he was trying to put your foolish ambitions to rest, how could you miss that

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
margit the fell omen is morgott. morgott is the king of leyendell. He's an Omen. Omens are creatures that are born with horns and are considered abominations. Morgott is able to be the king of leyendell because he hides the fact that he is an Omen. When he needs to act in the open, he calls himself Margit and pretends that he's not the king of leyendell

this is not told to you in game at any point

Dasar
Apr 30, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

no one wants to read your tripe i am sorry

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Utter dogshit, and I love literary fiction, but also, you're complaining about your boyfriend reading Le Guin and Mieville. Not Asimov and GRRM, no, Le Guin and Mieville. Get over yourself. But also, love the part that wanders into claiming literature has always been the field of the feminine after going on about how men had too much of a voice in the field for awhile, well, which is it, men dominate this industry or women did, make up your mind. I love the thesis is basically, "It's good that men write less than women now, but also, men should read our novels more, all consumption, no competitive production." Complaining from an ivory tower and a half.

Probably Magic has issued a correction as of 18:49 on May 18, 2022

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010



I'm going to read about the Roman Empire and not go to therapy

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

What do the numbers look like if you discount Harry Potter and YA literature?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Probably Magic posted:

Utter dogshit, and I love literary fiction, but also, you're complaining about your boyfriend reading Le Guin and Mieville. Not Asimov and GRRM, no, Le Guin and Mieville. Get over yourself.

lmao

fuckin next-level pretentiousness

reaction 1: do not date a columnist, or a story about what a dipshit you are for minding your own business will inevitably go viral

reaction 2: hey somebody remind me what Le Guin's first name was again???

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Bro Dad posted:

I'm going to read about the Roman Empire and not go to therapy

as the empire burns

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply