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Casey Finnigan posted:video game writing is by and large not very good. Probably Magic posted:Utter dogshit, and I love literary fiction, but also, you're complaining about your boyfriend reading Le Guin and Mieville. Not Asimov and GRRM, no, Le Guin and Mieville. Get over yourself. But also, love the part that that wanders into claiming literature has always been the field of the feminine after going on about how men had too much of a voice in the field for awhile, well, which is it, men dominate this industry or women did, make up your mind. I love the thesis is basically, "It's good that men write less than women now, but also, men should read our novels more, all consumption, no competitive production." Complaining from an ivory tower and a half.
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May 18, 2022 18:54
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loquacius posted:lmao This entire article is just getting mad your boyfriend doesn't want to read Jane Austen, and you have to dress it up as, "Ah, boys just don't like literature, don't you know?" and then hope no one reads your article and just assumes your beau plays Call of Duty and watches MCU films all the time.
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May 18, 2022 18:56
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wow, lots of people mad a POC lady voiced her opinions
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May 18, 2022 18:58
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gonna write a real depressing novella about a doomed romance between, like, teens with terminal illnesses or something, and then on the last page there's a casual reference to one of them having pointy ears and passing away at the tragically young age of 236. BOOM, THEY'RE ELVES. THEY'VE BEEN ELVES THE WHOLE TIME. YOU JUST READ GENRE FICTION MOTHERFUCKER
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May 18, 2022 18:59
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i don't think a fault in our stars counts as literary fiction either
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May 18, 2022 18:59
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A lot of stuff we call "literature" now was just pop trash in its day so whatever read your trash that's what books are for
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May 18, 2022 19:01
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's not actually a contradiction. (Feminine) men dominated the writing side, but were never the primary audience. I don't know, it was really drummed into me in college how difficult the confessional women's movement had in finding a voice since women were neither the producers nor the audience for stuff like Whitman, that poetry at least was very much something men did for other men and maybe sometimes men would perform as audience for women but not for women. It just felt like the article didn't really tackle that because it's a difficult thing to tackle, especially if your thesis is just a reductionist "men aren't sensitive, but women are." More like literature was the only outlet for men to be sensitive, exclusively, and even then, through an impersonal way like appreciation of nature or falling in love and not something vulnerable like heavy depression or resentment. My take, anyway.
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May 18, 2022 19:01
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Casey Finnigan posted:i don't think a fault in our stars counts as literary fiction either that's genuinely the thing, what do these people count? Like, her weird gripe is literally just over Jane Austin but she doesn't define what the 'novel reading audience' she's talking about even is.
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May 18, 2022 19:03
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when i think of literary fiction I think of "book by some graybeard professor author about a romance with a student" and poo poo like that
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May 18, 2022 19:03
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Casey Finnigan posted:when i think of literary fiction I think of "book by some graybeard professor author about a romance with a student" and poo poo like that
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May 18, 2022 19:03
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:A lot of stuff we call "literature" now was just pop trash in its day so whatever  Novels being high art to begin with was always a lie your english teachers told you
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May 18, 2022 19:03
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Xaris posted:
if you haven't solved this yet think this is a dolby vision incompatibility problem. force transcoding maybe or grab a non DV version? on jellyfin so not sure about current plex settings
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May 18, 2022 19:04
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Men hold up 20% of literary fiction.
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May 18, 2022 19:05
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The Cut of Your Jib posted:if you haven't solved this yet hmm maybe. I don’t think they always put DV in file names though, and usually I do direct play but let me see.
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May 18, 2022 19:06
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What is valuable is rare, whats rare gets lost.
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May 18, 2022 19:11
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It's actually really funny that the author got so worked up over her boyfriend not wanting to read Jane Austen that she wrote a viral article about it, but is so intensely judgmental of the idea of genre fiction that she doesn't even classify loving China Mieville as "literature", thus raising extremely valid questions about what "literature" even means in this context get over yourself yourself!!!!
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May 18, 2022 19:13
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her boyfriend reads nightly from authors like Ursula K. Le loving Guin and she's still complaining. jesus christ.
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May 18, 2022 19:15
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She names five or so authors her boyfriend's into and only one of which she's in, hmmm, interesting. I bet if she tried to get him into Toni Morrison or whatever, he'd happily do so, she's just complaining about one author that's received his indifference.
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May 18, 2022 19:16
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You will read about the gentry written with stuffy Victorian prose and you will like it, young man
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May 18, 2022 19:16
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like, my wife and I have been doing "book trades" where she makes me read Let The Great World Spin and I make her read The Name Of The Wind for fuckin years and neither of us enjoy it but at least we're not writing articles to whine to the Internet about it
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May 18, 2022 19:17
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Then we read the Broken Earth series together and had a fuckin book club about it, there are any number of ways healthy relationships have been handling this exact issue for decades and this isn't one of them, hope this guy gets out and never has to read a trashy paperback about the tsundere earl of bunderlingshire e: I think this is actually the only scenario where reading Pride And Prejudice And Zombies is actually the correct decision, if only for trolling purposes loquacius has issued a correction as of 19:21 on May 18, 2022 |
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May 18, 2022 19:18
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I'm trying to read a Dorothy Parker collection, my wife asks if I want to read her Harry Potter books, I say no because that poo poo sucks, the next day she has an article in Cosmopolitan talking about why men hate women authors.
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May 18, 2022 19:21
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Probably Magic posted:I don't know, it was really drummed into me in college how difficult the confessional women's movement had in finding a voice since women were neither the producers nor the audience for stuff like Whitman, that poetry at least was very much something men did for other men and maybe sometimes men would perform as audience for women but not for women. It just felt like the article didn't really tackle that because it's a difficult thing to tackle, especially if your thesis is just a reductionist "men aren't sensitive, but women are." More like literature was the only outlet for men to be sensitive, exclusively, and even then, through an impersonal way like appreciation of nature or falling in love and not something vulnerable like heavy depression or resentment. My take, anyway.
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May 18, 2022 19:22
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Probably Magic posted:She names five or so authors her boyfriend's into and only one of which she's in, hmmm, interesting. I bet if she tried to get him into Toni Morrison or whatever, he'd happily do so, she's just complaining about one author that's received his indifference. Toni “Bill Clinton’s unpoliced sexuality makes him black” Morrison?
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May 18, 2022 19:23
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even if the books suck you should read harry potter for the sake of your wife lol. theyre dumb as hell so it can be a little fun
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May 18, 2022 19:24
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My wife is also trying to get me to read Harry Potter
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May 18, 2022 19:25
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sure, but that's a factual criticism. I was just saying that her position isn't self-contradictory. You can for sure make better arguments, especially if your thesis is (as you say) "men aren't sensitive, but women are". The logical explanation for why men used to dominate the space but no longer do would be that women were prevented from entering it, so a small minority of men became massively over-represented. The moment women let themselves in, they started to dominate the space because more women wanted to be part of it in the first place than men. Fair enough, it just felt like an odd argument to me after hearing so much about Elektra complexes in college.
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May 18, 2022 19:26
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wow, people say men aren't sensitive...but a women writes a polite article suggesting men might enjoy reading some dope lit queens and well...
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May 18, 2022 19:27
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Fitzy Fitz posted:My wife is also trying to get me to read Harry Potter sounds like wifehavers are getting pwned all over.
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May 18, 2022 19:28
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Why is poetry considered dead? I understand that it's not popular, but that's different from being dead.
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May 18, 2022 19:28
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I personally only really started hooting and hollering about this when Probably Magic revealed that the basis for the article was the author's boyfriend wanting to read Le Guin instead of Jane Austen because that makes the whole thing so aggressively stupid it invalidates any real point it might have otherwise had
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May 18, 2022 19:29
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the only literary fiction i need: 
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May 18, 2022 19:30
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Casey Finnigan posted:even if the books suck you should read harry potter for the sake of your wife lol. theyre dumb as hell so it can be a little fun i mean, i don't have a wife, but i also tried reading those books when i was nine and decided harry sucked, so it's too late for me
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May 18, 2022 19:31
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Why is poetry considered dead? I understand that it's not popular, but that's different from being dead. It has an extremely insular audience, but that's kind-of always been the case. The problem is if it ever tried to be popular, which you saw with all the focus on the poetry read at Biden's inauguration and then the Super Bowl, which was very simple exhortation stuff that felt more motivational than emotional. But it doesn't pay, can't sustain anyone, and will always get limited release. Which is fine, it's one of my favorite forms nonetheless.
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May 18, 2022 19:33
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Probably Magic posted:It has an extremely insular audience, but that's kind-of always been the case. The problem is if it ever tried to be popular, which you saw with all the focus on the poetry read at Biden's inauguration and then the Super Bowl, which was very simple exhortation stuff that felt more motivational than emotional. But it doesn't pay, can't sustain anyone, and will always get limited release. Which is fine, it's one of my favorite forms nonetheless. yeah. I know a guy who writes and translates poetry, goes on retreats with poets and reviews poetry, spending all his money to do this. he makes his living as a TA teaching English and grading undergrad papers though so it’s basically all he has money for from what I can tell.
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May 18, 2022 19:43
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Trabisnikof posted:wow, people say men aren't sensitive...but a women writes a polite article suggesting men might enjoy reading some dope lit queens and well...
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May 18, 2022 19:48
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'guys should read more literary fiction' but should, simultaneously, only read the good kind of literary fiction. for some reason I have the feeling that admitting to reading Houellebecq, Mishima and DFW would still get you a lot of stink-eye
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May 18, 2022 19:52
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Literary fiction is when a character has an emotion, which obviously men hate I also haven't read China Mieville but I assume he only writes about robots solving sudokus
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May 18, 2022 19:54
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loquacius posted:Literary fiction is when a character has an emotion, which obviously men hate yes, but the robots are weird bug people and secret hegelians
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Ursula K Le Guin and China Mieville are also both leftists, which means that obviously their work is going be more problematic than serious literature about Victorian gentry trying to get married
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