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No Dignity posted:Flow is one of my favourite songs in the game but Hydaelyn can gently caress off with that 'brave little spark' nonsense. What are we, ten? Compared to her we're like ten minutes.
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Rand Brittain posted:I really have to wonder why Flow puts the emphasis on the exactly wrong syllable for no apparent reason so frequently. These artists have hit the nail on the head so often that it can't be accidental. Sometimes you have to gently caress with the scansion in order to match the melody, especially when the tune and lyrics were not written together.
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May 18, 2022 20:11
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The tune don't have to be clever And it don't matter if you put a couple-a extra syllables into a line It sounds more ethnic if it ain't good English And it don't even gotta rhyne.
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May 18, 2022 20:19
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But they didn't, which is my point. The song frequently puts the emphasis on the wrong word when it would have been easy to put it on the right word, like with "I have heard your voice; weighed your every choice."
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May 18, 2022 20:19
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No Dignity posted:Flow is one of my favourite songs in the game but Hydaelyn can gently caress off with that 'brave little spark' nonsense. What are we, ten? compared to an immortal ancient who was already old af when we met her 12k years ago, yeah, we’re children.
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May 18, 2022 20:25
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Mr. Nice! posted:compared to an immortal ancient who was already old af when we met her 12k years ago, yeah, we’re children. That's no excuse to be condescending. Hydi should know better.
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May 18, 2022 20:35
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sassassin posted:That's no excuse to be condescending. Hydi should know better. It's not condescending it's just mothering from crystal mom.
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May 18, 2022 20:43
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I'll concede it's a good piece but Flow is just not my jam. I never liked Answers either
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May 18, 2022 20:46
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Thundarr posted:It's not condescending it's just mothering from crystal mom. I can't help but to smile when I hear that line
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May 18, 2022 20:47
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It's condescending and also I didn't realise Venat was such a corny bitch still absolutely gets me in the feels though, it's a perfect send off for her and the Ancients as a whole
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May 18, 2022 20:52
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Thundarr posted:It's not condescending it's just mothering from crystal mom. 
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May 18, 2022 21:01
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Just wish we could've done the corny thing and called her mother or mom just once, or whatever the player wants to choose
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May 18, 2022 21:08
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SettingSun posted:I'll concede it's a good piece but Flow is just not my jam. I don't like Flow, but Answers is great. As an XI player who couldn't get into XIV, I heard answers and was like "I really wish I had the connection to the game to make this even more powerful" And now I do, 10 years later! 
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May 18, 2022 21:13
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https://twitter.com/SOKENsquareenix/status/1527008151102685184?t=B2fUsnvhWETdWctRxOkLiA&s=19 Our man
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May 18, 2022 21:13
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Wylie posted:I think it's a combination of (a) the lyrics being written after the melody and having to force some fits in and (b) Michael Christopher Koji-Fox is not likely to be confused with Lin-Manuel Miranda anytime soon. To be fair, Koji-Fox actually hasn't been doing primary localization stuff on FFXIV for a little while. He's still the localization director for FFXIV, has done some lyric stuff and occasionally acts as a consultant, but he has been primarily focused on FFXVI. Kathryn Cwynar has been in his position since Shadowbringers, and she's the one that co-wrote Flow with Ishikawa. I think she's filled the role quite well! Source: (The timecode will start the explanation, but they move on to Endwalker story Q&A after about 3 minutes. Spoilers for that, just so you're not surprised by the topic when they move on to that segment.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2TWmsce_eg&t=9784s
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May 18, 2022 21:33
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Answers is really good, but tbh it loses a bit on its own without the videos it's in. There are a few places you really need Bahamut flying around blowing poo poo up.
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May 18, 2022 21:36
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Yeah I agree, the spoken word bit is real weak on its own
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May 18, 2022 21:41
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The ARR version has that choir that soars at the bridge and end and I love it so so so much
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May 18, 2022 21:58
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Answers is best during the actual Bahamut fight in T13. The swell of the crescendo right before getting ahk morned in the final phase will live with me forever. e: specifically this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hQiJJ7bQ8w&t=484s Also, since this is a level 60 group doing this in HW, you can see how insane it was to play bard as a half-caster where every skill had a 1.5s cast time. e2: they also finish a bit before the original end of the fight because they're 10 levels over the content top so you miss a bit at the tail, but it syncs well with the rest of the song, too. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 22:30 on May 18, 2022 |
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May 18, 2022 22:20
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Answers is my favorite because it's so flexible. No matter who the "official" singer is, you can easily shift the context and perspective. Like in that Bahamut fight, after getting all the way down there and learning what you do I find it hard not to hear it as being sung from his side of things; we're in the way of his struggle. In the ARR opening cutscene, of course, it's the other way around. It taps into a primal lament/conviction that in some ways transcends good or evil.
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May 18, 2022 22:39
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I don’t get too caught up on the emphasis because a lot of the songs in this game have lyrics that sound bizarre no matter where the emphasis is I do get very emotional whenever I hear “deep, dark, far away” though
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May 18, 2022 22:48
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Flow rules
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Badger of Basra posted:I don’t get too caught up on the emphasis because a lot of the songs in this game have lyrics that sound bizarre no matter where the emphasis is “Hush now, close your eyes” is what gets me. There’s definitely some weird diction in the lyrics but I’m a sucker for lullabies and the singing is stellar enough to sell the emotions for me. Personally, it’s my favorite song in the game.
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May 18, 2022 22:55
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My favorite thing about Flow is the singer asked to do a second session after she had really absorbed the lyrics of the song and I think it really comes through in the performance we got.
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May 18, 2022 22:57
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Badger of Basra posted:I don’t get too caught up on the emphasis because a lot of the songs in this game have lyrics that sound bizarre no matter where the emphasis is A to the L to the E-X-ANDER
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May 18, 2022 23:13
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As a recent player (5.2ish start) I loved how they re-released the ARR Answers cinematic for EW and everyone was like "what was this all about?!" And the reference, when you get to it and in-context, blew me away
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May 19, 2022 01:44
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Bruceski posted:A to the L to the E-X-ANDER A great song for a great fight.
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May 19, 2022 01:52
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*squints* ... I'm the bad guy here aren't I? 
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 Hey I did it Guess I'm free from the mode until 6.2!
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readingatwork posted:*squints* arr was a long time ago and people forget the wol basically started off as a hired killer for some really not nice people
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Oneiros posted:arr was a long time ago and people forget the wol basically started off as a hired killer for some really not nice people I think the worst example of this I've seen is the FATE outside Aleport where the Qiqurn are protesting not being allowed into the town. So you loving kill them.
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May 19, 2022 03:55
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I seem to recall a few early Ul'dah quests where I'm sent to smack someone down, and it turned out their great crime was mining... without the permission of the Syndicate. I figure every time I kill a Primal one of my previous sins is deleted from public memory.
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just as in WoW, only those of us who pvp 100% of the time are free of guilt. you all thought playing CTF and beating up ice crystals for no clear gain was silly well now look at you you make me sick Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 04:29 on May 19, 2022 |
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YggiDee posted:I seem to recall a few early Ul'dah quests where I'm sent to smack someone down, and it turned out their great crime was mining... without the permission of the Syndicate. I figure every time I kill a Primal one of my previous sins is deleted from public memory. It was the other way around, you go and help them and you both get attacked by the Brass Blades, who you kill. Typically when ARR casually has you be the baddy, it’s by murdering members of the various beast tribes.
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Bruceski posted:A to the L to the E-X-ANDER Gobbies gonna rise up! Boom like thunder! super sweet best pal posted:A great song for a great fight. Only thing I would change is shortening the intro so "SONIC BOOM" hits right as the big attack hits.
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ARR really, really tries to make you racist against the Qiqirn. I still feel bad about it sometimes.
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Glad we made up for our Qiqirn qrimes in the Stormblood Hildibrand quests
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I may be misremembering the AAR plot but once Gaius dropped the line about the twelve I had a "ohhh noooo" feeling. It's nice that the tribe quests let you feel redemption.
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Oneiros posted:arr was a long time ago and people forget the wol basically started off as a hired killer for some really not nice people You spend most of the game fighting for the establishment. Some are nice, some aren't, but you're firmly on the side of Order and Stability rather than combating injustice if doing so might result in Chaos or "innocents getting hurt". Stormblood is reestablishing a monarchy and working with a casino owner and the East India Company to hand over Ala Mhigan salt to Ul'dah profiteers. Nanamo wants to abdicate and establish a republic only because she feels like she's too weak and lacking allies to be a strong leader, once she finds those it's back to the Ul dynasty ruling eternal. ARR does a decent job in pointing out how the various city states and Eorzea in general are bastards. Y'shtola confronts Merlwyb about Limsa Lominsa's treatment of the tribes as early as the level 30 MSQ. Alphinaud and Alisae's commentary on them is critical even earlier than that. There's refugees ("they're not all bad, some of them are hard-workers!"), racism, police corruption, rampant Lalafel financial crime and sexual misconduct. Societal change is beyond the WoL's purview, though. Our employers generally want to keep things as they are until all the primals are defeated. Minfilia gets cause and effect completely backwards in her introductory meeting. No one corrects her.
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I've enjoyed Endwalker's soundtrack immensely, but none of it has buried itself into my memory like a lot of Shadowbringers' did. Soken really was bringing his A game for that entire expansion, though I guess it's understandable given his personal situation at the time.
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