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May 20, 2022 01:26
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The_Doctor posted:3 for 3 enjoying. Sadly I remember that seasons are only 10 episodes long now, and we’re not getting 22 straight eps of this. My initial thought was “who the gently caress is Kyle?” Keep forgetting that guy’s name. I actually didn’t especially enjoy this episode. I thought the moth people premise was a little stupid and it also was wrapped up to quickly and easily. That said, it’s still episodic trek, so that’s good. I’d say the show is more at 2.5 of 3.
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May 20, 2022 01:26
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apatheticman posted:What do you think Kyle's tragic backstory is? Had to shave off his incredible mustache.
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May 20, 2022 01:31
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apatheticman posted:What do you think Kyle's tragic backstory is? cursed by a mummy
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May 20, 2022 01:34
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apatheticman posted:What do you think Kyle's tragic backstory is? He absorbed his twin in the womb and became a transporter chief so that he can learn to beam his brother out of his body.
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May 20, 2022 01:35
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It's so lame all these characters have tragic backstories. Worf-entire family killed by Romulans Riker - raised by absent father after his mother died Yar - Rape gang colony Wesley - father killed at extremely young age Beverly - widowed with a son Deanna - Father died at a young age These hack writers
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May 20, 2022 01:39
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The_Doctor posted:3 for 3 enjoying. Sadly I remember that seasons are only 10 episodes long now, and we’re not getting 22 straight eps of this. 22 eps would be great. They would have to stretch the budget and we wouldn't get all this over produced stuff. It still feels too filmy and grand to me
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May 20, 2022 01:43
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Gangringo posted:Everyone has tragic backstories because sane, well-adjusted people born into a post-scarcity utopia don't expose themselves to the myriad of dangers of unexplored space. They should just really make this cannon and put the issue to bed.
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May 20, 2022 01:43
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Charity Porno posted:It's so lame all these characters have tragic backstories. Picard: mother was insane and killed herself Geordie: is a boring nerd his whole life
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May 20, 2022 01:44
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A boring nerd who sexually harassed a hologram.
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May 20, 2022 01:45
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I wasn't hugely enthused, but it was fine. It mostly felt like it was there to explain Una's secret, except the secret wasn't the dilemma of the episode. Everyone was pretty much okay with her situation once she told them. As an audience we didn't understand that there was any internal tension through the episode until they did the reveal, and even then it mostly relied on the audience understanding the strength of the in-universe stigma. If they were going to do this reveal, it seems like it would have been better suited for an episode where the morality of genetic engineering was the episode conflict like it was in the Bashir episodes. It may have been more interesting as well if the audience was brought into whatever internal struggle was happening. Also, it didn't seem like any of the characters really made active decisions that resolved the plot. Things were driven by outside forces and they were along for the ride. Having the solution be "I stood nearby" was not amazing writing. Not the worst, just kind of felt like a time filler with mediocre execution
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May 20, 2022 01:58
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Terror Sweat posted:Picard: mother was insane and killed herself Geordie: No bitches
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May 20, 2022 02:03
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Charity Porno posted:It's so lame all these characters have tragic backstories. tbf, the reveals of some of these were more spread out
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May 20, 2022 02:06
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Part of it is probably a deliberate response to extremely valid criticism leveled at Disco in regard to its supporting cast. It seems like a lot all at once now, but it’s probably a good sign for the long run that they’re focusing on giving these characters actual backstories right out of the gate. Rhys, Bryce, Not-Airiam, and Linus have been on Disco for four seasons now and we know gently caress-all about any of them. I’m a Disco apologist and I still can’t keep Rhys and Bryce’s names straight because they’re barely even characters.
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May 20, 2022 02:10
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galenanorth posted:tbf, the reveals of some of these were more spread out Episode 2 of TNG is literally DATA I GREW UP ON THE RAPE PLANET, gently caress ME HARD ROBOT MAN!  I don't quite blame SNW for getting this poo poo out the door and over with as fast as possible in order to make better use of their time elsewhere unlike television equivalent of a Russian tank stuck in a Ukrainian mud field that was this season of Picard.
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May 20, 2022 02:11
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I also feel if we weren't getting these people's backstories people would be complaining so
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May 20, 2022 02:23
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Didn't Geordi have a mom whose ship went missing?
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May 20, 2022 02:26
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I like that Majel Barret's Number One broke the stereotype for women in the 60s (Pike makes a comment about not being used to women on the bridge in The Cage) and Rebecca Romijin's Number One breaks t he stereotype of genetic engineering being evil.
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May 20, 2022 02:27
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Brawnfire posted:Didn't Geordi have a mom whose ship went missing? Yeah but that happened in season seven, its not backstory so much as "story"
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May 20, 2022 02:30
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at least nobody on deep space 9 had tragic backstories
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May 20, 2022 02:31
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Alex kurtzman ruins everything he touches They literally handed Star Trek to the writer of bayformers lmao
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May 20, 2022 02:43
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Some good moments in this episode but it's still the weakest of the three we've had so far, I think. One thing I'm still not clear on: why does Dr. M'Benga have to keep his dematerialized daughter a secret, and take the risk of bringing her along as a stowaway? The transporter thing is working perfectly; you'd think this would be a standard thing that a hospital on Earth could do in this kind of case. (Or even for short term cases: "The surgeon isn't back from lunch yet, so put that stabbing victim into the pattern buffer so he won't bleed out before she gets here".) Maybe it's only that this is a risky, warranty-voiding use of a transporter and no hospital wants to take the chance of a Sonak-style accident? After all, when Scotty did the same trick to himself some 40-ish years later, it was something of a desperate hack, and even in TNG times, everyone was amazed that it had worked at all.
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May 20, 2022 03:21
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I figured flagship-grade teleporters would be absolute top of the line leading edge tech that may not be common across the rest of Starfleet/the Federation. It’s hard because the tech level between SNW/Discovery has felt much closer to TNG just due to changed contemporary tech expectations but that’s what I’m assuming in general, in TNG they made a point of noting how much of the Enterprise was cutting edge (eg the holodecks) and I’m assuming the same thing here. It’s the best of the best etc.
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May 20, 2022 03:24
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Kill All Cops posted:at least nobody on deep space 9 had tragic backstories * Cpt. Sisko has left the chat * Maj. Kira has left the chat * Dr. Bashir has left the chat * PC Odo has left the chat * Chief O'Brien has left the chat * Lt. Dax has left the chat * Jake Sisko has left the chat * Gul Dukat has entered the chat 
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May 20, 2022 03:29
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Kill All Cops posted:at least nobody on deep space 9 had tragic backstories What was Quark's tragic backstory? He shoulda gotten into arm-dealing like his cousin, Gaila, but he became a bartender instead? Coulda had his own moon!
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May 20, 2022 03:34
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when i write characters they all have uplifting backstories like their mom split into two equally good moms, or their kid got really sick threads and everyone was inspired by their incredible fashion, or someone who had an unavoidable vision of their inevitable fate to eat some of the best andorian nachoes in the galaxy.
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May 20, 2022 03:35
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I Am Fowl posted:What was Quark's tragic backstory? He shoulda gotten into arm-dealing like his cousin, Gaila, but he became a bartender instead? Coulda had his own moon! Quark's tragic backstory is that he's probably Zek's bastard son.
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May 20, 2022 03:36
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The point is not that a tragic backstory is inherently bad, it isn't, but we've watched Disco and Picard doing it over and over and over and over and over and loving it up every single time for so long that we're all understandably gun shy at seeing it yet again. Also the fact that Disco especially leans on it so much as a crutch makes it groan worthy every time it appears again. So far nothing SNW has done in that direction has been egregious, if it weren't for the past six seasons of dogshit it wouldn't matter, but we're all understandably wary of these people and their tendency to poo poo up TV shows.
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May 20, 2022 03:37
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Nitrousoxide posted:Why? I thought this was a really great episode. click his rap sheet and then the terrible posting makes sense. SNW is good.
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May 20, 2022 03:41
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Grand Fromage posted:The point is not that a tragic backstory is inherently bad, it isn't, but we've watched Disco and Picard doing it over and over and over and over and over and loving it up every single time for so long that we're all understandably gun shy at seeing it yet again. So far nothing SNW has done in that direction has been egregious, if it weren't for the past six seasons of dogshit it wouldn't matter, but we're all understandably wary of these people and their tendency to poo poo up TV shows. I think other posters are right that the 10-episode pacing really mucks things up here, too. It's fine for every character to have one or more traumatic event in their personal history! But it gets grim when every single conversation with every character is about their cancer daughter or not getting a new breeding sack or whatever.
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May 20, 2022 03:41
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Gwaihir posted:click his rap sheet and then the terrible posting makes sense. SNW is good. He’s one of those Russian bots designed to stir poo poo up on twitter, but someone hosed up and implanted him in SA instead
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May 20, 2022 03:43
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XboxPants posted:I think other posters are right that the 10-episode pacing really mucks things up here, too. It's fine for every character to have one or more traumatic event in their personal history! But it gets grim when every single conversation with every character is about their cancer daughter or not getting a new breeding sack or whatever. Yeah that last ten minutes of actually I'm an alien actually I'm a deus ex machina actually I know I'm Hitler's daughter actually I have a kid stashed in the transporter was just way too much. I didn't hate this ep or anything but it whiffed for me.
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May 20, 2022 03:44
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tragic backstories that motivate people to pursue a life and career in starfleet is as integral to star trek as a thing that threatens the lives of every crew member but is resolved offscreen 5-10 mins before the episode ends
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May 20, 2022 03:45
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Kill All Cops posted:at least nobody on deep space 9 had tragic backstories Jake Sisko's mom died but otherwise seems like a pretty chill life.
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May 20, 2022 03:55
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Okay episode imo. The one big thing that didn't really make any sense is how could no. 1 have possibly kept the fact that she is a literal alien a secret from Starfleet. They even made a point of acknowledging that alien physique is different with Spock's carotid artery comment. I'm also pretty sure the Illyrians have nothing to do with the ones from ENT and whoever named them just forgot that episode existed (I did too).
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May 20, 2022 03:56
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At least we know season 2 is a lock.. but only 10 eps?
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May 20, 2022 04:01
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TNG tragic backstories in first season. Picard was the commanding officer of Dr. Crusher's husband and Wesley's father when Jack died. Riker and Troi had a previous relationship and Riker ghosted her. Data was deactivated and the colony destroyed by the Crystalline Entity, revelead he has an evil twin. Worf was found buried alive in the rubble of Khitomer, family dead. Rape gangs.
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May 20, 2022 04:03
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Big Mean Jerk posted:He’s one of those Russian bots designed to stir poo poo up on twitter, but someone hosed up and implanted him in SA instead It's like C-SPAM coalesced into a single poster and decided to haunt the Star Trek TV thread of all possible options across SA.
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May 20, 2022 04:05
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Overall I feel like SNW episode 3 is a solid 6/10: a classic OK-but-not-great Trek episode. I really liked the first half to 2/3 but once Number One revealed herself to be an Illyrian and then confronted La'an in the warp core it felt pretty rushed and fell apart a little bit for me. I liked all the story beats but I think they needed a little bit more time to breathe, the episode just kind of ended and then there was like 15 minutes of heart-to-heart conversations that felt slightly unearned. They should limit themselves to like, 1 big emotional love chat per episode. I think Doctor M'Benga's reveal could have waited for another episode, it just felt really half-baked here. A slight tease for a future episode would have worked better, like maybe Number One asks why he put updating the emergency transporter as "low-priority" in the repair queue they abandoned early in episode 1 and he gives some excuse that she's suspicious of but doesn't confront him about yet. I didn't really like Nurse Chapel whipping up the cure off-screen, there should have been a scene there where she and Number One actually figure it out and synthesize it. I would have liked more context about the Illyrians and augments in general to give everything a bit more weight, and also maybe some more talk about why the Federation outlawed generic engineering. Could be something Pike and Spock learn more about while they're on the surface, I really liked all their stuff together and definitely wanted more. Again, the first half was great! I liked the mystery of the illness, I liked the little teases that Una was not reacting in the same way as everyone else, I liked every scene Hemmer was in, it was classic "mysterious disease makes everyone behave weird" Trek. Just could have used some tightening up. I think this will be remembered as a "fine but not great" episode, but the episodic format is showing its strength here because I am still really, really excited for the next adventure.
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May 20, 2022 04:12
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FishFood posted:Again, the first half was great! I liked the mystery of the illness, I liked the little teases that Una was not reacting in the same way as everyone else, I liked every scene Hemmer was in, it was classic "mysterious disease makes everyone behave weird" Trek. Just could have used some tightening up. Yeah, I dug that it seemed kinda like the smart engineer guy was doing something initiative then it turns out he has the light disease and the smart thing he was trying to do was beam up lava to melt the spaceship
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May 20, 2022 04:17
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