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BiggerBoat posted:My 11 year old likes horror movies so I let him watch the original IT tv miniseries and, man, that 2nd half or last third is rough  was he scared? That movie terrified me as a kid. Then again I wonder if the bar is higher for what constituted a "scary" movie with the prevalence of the internet and real life.
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BiggerBoat posted:My 11 year old likes horror movies so I let him watch the original IT tv miniseries and, man, that 2nd half or last third is rough I still like it more than the movie remakes, which are 100% rough. At least the miniseries understood the tone the book was going for.
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May 20, 2022 01:13
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It chapter 1 was a really good movie. Chapter 2 was really bad. The miniseries is worse than chapter 2.
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May 20, 2022 01:20
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oldpainless posted:It chapter 1 was a really good movie. Chapter 2 was really bad. Any movie with new pennywise is inherently bad. It's not even an adaptation of the novel in the new movies. They completely ignored the source material and just made a spooky jumpscare clown and copied the names. The only worse stephen king adapation was the dark tower with idris elba.
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May 20, 2022 01:36
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If by "worse adaptation" you mean "is less faithful to the original" I'm pretty sure Running Man and Lawnmower Man have it beat handily. If you mean "is the worst thing which adapts Stephen King" then like half of the poo poo made from his work is worse.
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May 20, 2022 01:47
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Baron von Eevl posted:If by "worse adaptation" you mean "is less faithful to the original" I'm pretty sure Running Man and Lawnmower Man have it beat handily. If you mean "is the worst thing which adapts Stephen King" then like half of the poo poo made from his work is worse. I mean the ones that insult me the most personally. I have only read running man and lawnmower man once so I didn't really care that the movies sucked. Dark tower on the other hand, I've read that 20+ times and It 8 or so, so the remakes offend me. It's not about line-for-line faithfulness, it's about understanding the tone and the characters. Both of the modern adaptations totally missed the mark on all characters. The dark tower is especially annoying because they picked the correct guy to play Walter, but it's like they just told mcconaughghhghey that his character is "dark edgy wizard" and nothing else.
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May 20, 2022 01:58
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Running Man is not a terrible movie, but it does deviate pretty far from the source material. Lawnmower Man is also a fairly fun movie but the only connection is there is a man who may or may not have a lawnmower.
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May 20, 2022 02:05
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Baron von Eevl posted:Running Man is not a terrible movie, but it does deviate pretty far from the source material. Lawnmower Man is also a fairly fun movie but the only connection is there is a man who may or may not have a lawnmower. I don't mind deviations as much for short stories. 1408 deviates a good amount but it's one of my favorite adaptations. For It, even though the miniseries had bad special effects and bad adult actors, they still nailed the tone of the novel more. It isn't supposed to be funny, but the movie remakes unintentionally made it funny instead of scary. New pennywise approaches being spooky like...a clown, instead of being a supernatural demon thing that happens to appear as a clown sometimes.
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May 20, 2022 02:10
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I actually thought the miniseries Pennywise came off more as an evil wisecracking clown while the film Pennywise felt more like an alien monster hiding itself under the paper thin disguise of a clown. It's like Bela Lugosi and Christopher Lee. Both are quintessential Draculas but Bela feels more human and even somewhat mournful and sympathetic. He's a charismatic eastern noble first and blood drinking undead monster second. Lee's version is more like a human shaped beast that happens to have a fiefdom. That being said It Part 2 is one of the worst films I've ever seen in a theater.
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May 20, 2022 02:28
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Baron von Eevl posted:Running Man is not a terrible movie, but it does deviate pretty far from the source material. Lawnmower Man is also a fairly fun movie but the only connection is there is a man who may or may not have a lawnmower. Lawnmower Man was a weird situation where King actually successfully sued to get his name taken off the movie after its release. I worked at a video rental store in the late 90s and we had a couple copies, ones with King's name on it and ones without.
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May 20, 2022 02:39
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Still a tragedy no ones done a feature film actually based on kings "lawnmower man" short story. Obviously his best work by far. Would sweep the Oscars. Someone hires a gardener to mow his lawn. The Gardner proceeds to strip off naked, get down on all four and eat the grass acting as a human lawn mower. story ends in cannibalism and ancient god worship. It's like four pages of bat poo poo insanity, it's great and all, but like seriously someone actually brought the rights to it? I'm assuming they hadn't actually read it before they did. Was only half joking about wanting to see a feature film based on it. It would probably be absolutely terrible, but I would definitely watch it.
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Panfilo posted:As I've said, the toys gain sentience from a human believing they are a toy upon their creation. In most cases mass produced in a factory. But also Sid's Frankentoys and Bonnie's creation of Forky. Don't forget the Speak-and-Spell and Etch-a-Sketch! And implicitly the magic 8-ball. (also I read beyblade as keyblade. Thanks, Kingdom Hearts) Even some of the cars! Woody would also count as a really old toy there, given he's said to have been made at the same time as Jessie, Stinky and Bullseye. Of course I suppose Woody still counts as being overly dependent given the whole plot of the first movie is he's consumed by jealousy for the attention Buzz is getting, and used to being the most important one there. IIRC, The Brave Little Toaster was even made by some of the same people as Toy Story? There's definitely some familiar themes that feel remixed, like how Sid's house recalls the appliance maintenance shop as a gruesome experience for the protagonists, and Toy Story 3 basically has drat near the same plot complete with the junkyard finale. (Though interestingly, the claw plays almost the opposite role thematically than the infamous electromagnet) Actually comes to mind suddenly that the daycare toys play basically the opposite role to Sid's toys in the original.
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dr_rat posted:Still a tragedy no ones done a feature film actually based on kings "lawnmower man" short story. Obviously his best work by far. Would sweep the Oscars.
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May 20, 2022 08:03
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Not only did they not finish ANY story arc in the Halo TV Show they also never get to the Halo. I was expecting a "final scene of the final episode shows them arriving" thing but nope. Don't even now where it is by the end of the season. Also, maybe dont let an obvious Covenant spy run around your base freely! Meanwhile weird nerds are like "You cant show Masterchief take of his helmet!!! Masterchief cant have sex!!!!" as if these are the main problems the show has and not the terrible story pacing...
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May 20, 2022 08:24
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That Italian Guy posted:Doesn't King sell the rights for all of his books at like, 1$? Specifically because he wants to see them made into movies. That's just for student stuff. https://nofilmschool.com/how-to-license-stephen-king-story https://stephenking.com/dollar-baby/ But it's still pretty neat. And I think it's less he wants them made into movies, and more he just likes people making stuff in general and sees this as helping out people starting off in their career. Good for him.
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A little. He really liked it
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the toy-based movie that traumatized me as a kid was 'The Mouse and his Child'. The book is very philosophical and the movie kind of tries to do philosophy as well, but I was too distracted by animals getting killed and a toy donkey being torn apart onscreen to appreciate it.
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dr_rat posted:And I think it's less he wants them made into movies, and more he just likes people making stuff in general and sees this as helping out people starting off in their career.
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Zero_Grade posted:Also while I'm on the topic, I want a miniseries made out of his Nightmares and Dreamscapes short story anthology, cause that's some of his best work but none of them would work as full-length features. Boy do I have news for you.
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Haha, yep: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481452/ Pity they didn't do any more of these. While it wasn't the best, I remember at the time think that it was generally a pretty fun watch. There's a few other of his short story books that would also work. dr_rat has a new favorite as of 15:47 on May 20, 2022 |
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Haha, I genuinely had no idea. I'll have to look that up! Shame it doesn't seem they did some of the best stories in the book ("House on Maple Street", with "Moving Finger" and "Head Down" as runners-up). I guess that sorta counts as an IIMM.
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Zero_Grade posted:It's kind of amazing how mediocre a track record he has for movie adaptations given how good a writer he can be. I mean, not all of his stuff is amazing and some are way too long, but you'd think due to his sheer prolificness he'd have more than like maybe half a dozen good movies (having said that, the high points are great). Also while I'm on the topic, I want a miniseries made out of his Nightmares and Dreamscapes short story anthology, cause that's some of his best work but none of them would work as full-length features. I lot of his stuff is just really hard to translate to the screen; at least to my mind's eye.
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Zero_Grade posted:Haha, I genuinely had no idea. I'll have to look that up! Moving Finger would of been wild. There is two films called "the moving finger" but alas both appear to be Agatha Christie related and not king related, so no jeopardy related insanity to be had. 
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There's an adaptation of the finger with Tom Noonan. It was an episode of the TV show "Monsters." https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0650891/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_64
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Baron von Eevl posted:There's an adaptation of the finger with Tom Noonan. It was an episode of the TV show "Monsters." Oh excellent! Yep that looks just about the right amount of cheesy.
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IIRC the adaptation of -- I think it's 'The End of the Whole Mess' with Ron Livingston is pretty good. And the 'Crouch End' is hilariously bad. I don't know that I watched any of the rest.
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I seem to remember The Moving Finger being a pretty fun cheap little adaptation, which is really all that story needs. Also from N&D is The motherfucking Night Flier with Miguel motherfucking Ferrer. It's certainly not the best King adaptation but it might be the one that checks the most boxes like "faithful" "fun" and "loving crazy."
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Android Apocalypse posted:I forgot what Levi looked like so I looked him up, and now I kinda wish he played Mr. Fantastic. He's already Fandral.
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HopperUK posted:IIRC the adaptation of -- I think it's 'The End of the Whole Mess' with Ron Livingston is pretty good. And the 'Crouch End' is hilariously bad. I don't know that I watched any of the rest. The end of the whole mess is great because it’s just a guy telling a story. Worked really well.
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Stephen Colbert should play Mr. Fantastic and it should be exactly like his portrayal in venture brothers
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Aphrodite posted:He's already Fandral. Who? e: as I suspected, one of Thor's pals. Didn't realize because he's blonde lol
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Grendels Dad posted:Wait, really? Not a huge surprise that you would miss/forget as the characters barely do anything in the Thor movies and I'm pretty sure he gets killed off in the third one.
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muscles like this! posted:Not a huge surprise that you would miss/forget as the characters barely do anything in the Thor movies and I'm pretty sure he gets killed off in the third one. I'm pretty sure the actor changed between the first and the second one. I remember because Ray Stenvenson remained throughout all three movies and I kind of started thinking "Man, Ray, you are wasting your time."
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HopperUK posted:the toy-based movie that traumatized me as a kid was 'The Mouse and his Child'. The book is very philosophical and the movie kind of tries to do philosophy as well, but I was too distracted by animals getting killed and a toy donkey being torn apart onscreen to appreciate it. I watched this nonstop as a kid. I remember the donkey being loving ripped to pieces while he was screaming far more than anything else in that fuckery. As an adult I rewatched it. Goddamn the 80's had some loving weird poo poo they aimed for kid entertainment. It was a mindfuck. For King, iirc, in an interview he said that his books were his kids, but the movies were like grandkids: you are more hands-off with them, and kinda let them go where they go. I think only one or two movies has he refused to put his name on.
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I'm still pissed that the proposed Mike Flanagan adaptation of Revival never went through, because that would have been a fantastic pairing. In fact, other than Frank Darabont, I think Flanagan might be one of the best recurring adaptors of King so far.
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He used to be a lot more concerned about the movies, pretty sure I remember him bigging up a remake of The Shining in the 90s because he thought the Kubrick version was poo poo lol
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And then never mentioned the miniseries again after it aired.
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He just didn't like that it changed his intended reading of The Shining. I get it. To be honest I respect his more recent attitude of 'yeah I don't know how to make movies so I don't get involved in all that'. The adaptations of his stuff that drive me most nuts are the ones that are almost good. Like the 90s TV version of The Stand. Or yeah, The Dark Tower, which cast Roland so perfectly and then forgot what to do with literally anything else. We could have had a good version of The Gunslinger with Idris Elba in it, goddamn. My actual favourite is the movie of Needful Things. It's exactly as stupid as it ought to be and it understands that its premise is goofy, but does not overplay that.
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