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22-40 year olds are millenials aren't they? (A lot of people I know still use the term to refer to late teens.) Boomers - various definitions, basically 1950s & 60s. I'm a boomer/Xer cusp. Definitely more of an X-er when comparing the relative life experiences. My teens saw the dynamic duo of Ted Heath & Harold Wilson (and who can forget the scandal of Wilson and Marcia Falkender), austerity of the 1970s, the 3-day week, "The Bins (TM)", numerous strikes, Star Wars, the dawn of punk rock and The New Wave of British Heavy Metal, calculators that cost about £70 and could only do the 4 basic math operations and square roots, (we all had to learn slide rules at school and how to use log tables and tables of sines, cosines etc), Jim Callaghan (crisis, what crisis - he never said it though), the inauguration of the reign of terror of Maggie Thatcher, the murder of Blair Peach. My early 20s the miners' strikes, total lack of jobs, rioting across England esp Brixton, Toxteth, Wood Green, Broadwater Farm and the murder of PC Blakelock. Page snipe: 221B - appropriate as I just finished watching The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes on the telly while I'm doing a mega backup of the work sharepoint.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh it's not going to be easy to enforce. In an ideal world (and by that I mean a functioning socialist government), it would be decided by experts who took in the best research, voted through with best practices that made it sound and allowed for reasonable exceptions, implemented at an educational level, and enforced by an even handed police service. Again, ideal world. Which we do not live in. I don't know how in any way on the spot fines could work regardless of the specific rules. It just seems like a way to play public opinion and help no one except adding another item to the coppers play book of "how can I punish this person I don't like". We saw how the police completely mishandled and abused the covid fines and I'm just incredibly sceptical of giving them power over something as subjective as staring.
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May 20, 2022 14:50
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:My teens saw ... Ted Heath And in turn he saw a lot of teens
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May 20, 2022 14:54
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Boomer is a meaningless term at this point.
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May 20, 2022 14:55
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The thing that pissed me off the most was the adviser using the murder of Sarah Everard as justification for this when her attacker wasn't a stranger, he was a cop who knew her and abused his position to manipulate her. The vast majority of female victims of violence and rape from men knew their attacker. This is still a problem that needs takling but lets not pretend this is related at all to Everard.
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May 20, 2022 14:58
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:22-40 year olds are millenials aren't they? (A lot of people I know still use the term to refer to late teens.) Some random research agency says the ranges are  which feels about right to me
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May 20, 2022 14:58
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blunt posted:Some random research agency says the ranges are Always found it weird that generations were 15 years long. I don't know that anyone thinks 14 is the optimal age to get pregnant, except for Tory PMs
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May 20, 2022 15:01
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Yeah that seems about right. The youngest Millenials are now 26. Christ. The world and it's aging and our aging inside of it is terrifying.
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May 20, 2022 15:02
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The thing that pissed me off the most was the adviser using the murder of Sarah Everard as justification for this when her attacker wasn't a stranger, he was a cop who knew her and abused his position to manipulate her. The vast majority of female victims of violence and rape from men knew their attacker. It's "a few bad apples" Bobby, no I don't know the rest of that idiom, I'm pretty sure it ends there.
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May 20, 2022 15:02
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blunt posted:Some random research agency says the ranges are Never seen a Boomers I and II before! Makes more sense though because those reaching their teens during the 'golden' 60s definitely had a very different experience to those of us in the 70s. Our teens/early 20s weren't dissimilar to what the experiences of current 20s are - seemed like we would never be able to buy a home, no jobs etc.
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May 20, 2022 15:03
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^^^ The ecomonic boom (and subsequent baby boom) lasted two 'generations' before it ran out. This is why people hearkening back to those days are so hilarious because the idea is that if we just all act aesthetically like that we can magically go back to that time of excess without adressing any of the underlying economic or equality issues. Jaeluni Asjil posted:22-40 year olds are millenials aren't they? (A lot of people I know still use the term to refer to late teens.) I just find it funny the idea that midnight, Jan 1st 1980 every baby in the world suddenly pops out sneering ironically, having given up on any realistic prospect of owning a house or having a fulfilling job. For absolutely no reason, no don't look at the economy or who was in power or what they were doing. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 20, 2022 |
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May 20, 2022 15:14
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There's the disputed "Xennial" which covers the last few years of GenX and the first couple of Millenial, where you had the economic and social forces of the gen X years but you also were born late enough for computers to be everywhere and not just a modern novelty. Caught somewhere between cynicism and optimism.
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May 20, 2022 15:16
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I just find it funny the idea that midnight, Jan 1st 1980 every baby in the world suddenly pops out sneering ironically, having given up on any realistic prospect of owning a house or having a fulfilling job. For absolutely no reason, no don't look at the economy or who was in power or what they were doing.
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May 20, 2022 15:20
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Finally bought Marx's Capital, I did not bank on it being nearly 1,000 pages.
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May 20, 2022 15:21
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Failed Imagineer posted:Always found it weird that generations were 15 years long. I don't know that anyone thinks 14 is the optimal age to get pregnant, except for Tory PMs I think that's just a bit of temporal smudging. Like how the fashions of each decade only tend to come in the second half of that decade, cuz styles don't change at December 31st of years ending in 9.
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May 20, 2022 15:22
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I refuse the Millennial definition, I used MSDOS and liked grunge. Millenials on the other hand just look at their phones and play loving ukuleles.
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May 20, 2022 15:25
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Josef bugman posted:"I'm not mad, please don't put in the paper that I was mad". I was born in 1984. I try to forget how old that makes me, even though it's 37, which is ancient. I think my guideline for millennial is basically all about 9/11: if you were out of school when it happened then you're too old & if you were too young to remember it then you're a zoomer. Which I guess means I'd put the age range at 1983 through 1996. Which probably isn't really long enough so maybe you'd want to go 1982 to 1998 or even push it to "born before the millennium", IDK. It's weird in that it obviously doesn't really matter but at the same time there are still cultural trends & economic trends that do apply to people born in roughly the same time period. It's just important to remember that class is an even more relevant trend. A wealthy zoomer has what a boomer dreams of.
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May 20, 2022 15:28
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early millenials will remember a life before the Internet, which seems like a pretty defining thing that shouldn't bisect a generation? anyway eventually the Gen Z's and whatever the one that comes after is will rise up and eat us all for our many failures
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Trickjaw posted:is insomnia essentialy linked to depression? I haven't slept this week. I also haven't slept this week so this could be evidence either of a link between the two or possibly that we are both receiving dreams from rl'yeh Deketh posted:I feel you, friend. I've been getting the restless legs non stop recently to add to my sleeping/brain troubles. Have a feeling the meds are causing it Those are also supremely annoying, though I find elevating my legs helps if you haven't tried that yet? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 20, 2022 |
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keep punching joe posted:I refuse the Millennial definition, I used MSDOS and liked grunge. Millenials on the other hand just look at their phones and play loving ukuleles. See, grunge passed me by completely at the time, my music in the early '90s was basically "my parents record collection" (plus Michael Jackson, but that's less cool than talking about how much I used to listen to London Calling or my mum's old Pretty Vacant single), & then I guess by '95 it was "Britpop" type stuff, & then by 1999 it was nu-metal & punk. I only really got into grunge when I got into nu-metal with Korn & Limp Bizkit & eventually started going through "classics" so I got stuff like Alice In Chains - Dirt & Soundgarden - Superunknown. Took me until I was well into my 20s before I learned to enjoy Nirvana because they were tainted by 2 total nobheads in school who were into them. Which was a shame in hindsight but oh well.
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Millenials really were the lamest generation, they deserve our ire. Bunch of artisinal coffee drinking lib dems.
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Eh, music never really got it's hooks into me so it isn't as good a way for measuring age groups as it is for most folks.
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They were passable but zoomers have improved on the formula.
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Grunge is meaningfully inseperable from the who-cares gen-x cynicsm that created it, though. And millenial poptimism couldn't have happened ten years earlier. You do get music of all stripes in all eras but what ends up being the popular thing of the moment is definitely informed by, and informs, the vibe of the era.
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May 20, 2022 15:56
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OwlFancier posted:They were passable but zoomers have improved on the formula. Yeah we were the first run, lot of production errors and optimisations got worked out between iterations
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I'm on the younger end of millenial ('93), but I will say, the zoomers have some properly good music too.
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This is just class warfare but with nostalgia sprinkled in.
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I am 42 Josef. What I hate about Totally Top Hits of the 80s on the lovely local radio is that there's never any Slayer. Even Metallica were good during the 80s. Tears for Fears are great, though.
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I think when I was younger we pretty much ignored these weird generational marketing terms (if they even existed). We just hung around with people a few years older and younger either side of us. It all seems so arbitrary.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Always found it weird that generations were 15 years long. I don't know that anyone thinks 14 is the optimal age to get pregnant, except for Tory PMs It's because each generation isn't necessarily born from the one immediately preceding. The generation before the Boomers is the Silent Generation, who lived through the war as kids, but the parents of most Boomers were the generation that fought the war.
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Jippa posted:I think when I was younger we pretty much ignored these weird generational marketing terms (if they even existed). We just hung around with people a few years older and younger either side of us. It all seems so arbitrary. I mean I still do the same TBH. I'm here aren't I. Dead Goon posted:I am 42 Josef. That is a shame. I think I just keep listening to they might be giants and CD's I happen to have in the car.
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Jedit posted:It's because each generation isn't necessarily born from the one immediately preceding. The generation before the Boomers is the Silent Generation, who lived through the war as kids, but the parents of most Boomers were the generation that fought the war. Yeah, I think it's just the word "generation" kinda implies to me that they're biologically generating the next one. If they were just called "cultural temporal cohorts" (or something actually catchy) then I could accept the arbitrariness
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kecske posted:early millenials will remember a life before the Internet, which seems like a pretty defining thing that shouldn't bisect a generation? We had been watching an old show where one character goes to meet her friend at a café. She doesn't show, so she just leaves. This 20 year old asks why she didn't just call her friend, so we have one of those annoying conversations where she googles it and says actually mobiles were invented in blah, and I say people didn't really have them until blah. To be fair, it led to an interesting discussion about how the abundant technology of a time period affects the ways people think - it wouldn't have occurred to the character to ask to use the café's phone to call her friend because at the time that would have been seen as ridiculous behaviour. For ultimate old person points, I am pretty sure I've told this story before. But all my interesting anecdotes are in the rear view mirror, all I have is my stories dagnabbit. 
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah, I think it's just the word "generation" kinda implies to me that they're biologically generating the next one. If they were just called "cultural temporal cohorts" (or something actually catchy) then I could accept the arbitrariness Tbf people are born all the time to parents of widely varying ages so you can't really define a generation in that sense very easily.
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Failed Imagineer posted:"cultural temporal cohorts" Oh yeah, they were grunge weren't they?
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mrpwase posted:Oh yeah, they were grunge weren't they? gently caress off They were IDM
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Isomermaid posted:There's the disputed "Xennial" which covers the last few years of GenX and the first couple of Millenial, where you had the economic and social forces of the gen X years but you also were born late enough for computers to be everywhere and not just a modern novelty. Caught somewhere between cynicism and optimism. I always called this Generation Y; it really is basically the 1981-85 cohort. As someone else mentioned, it’s the presence of the internet that shuts it off from millennials. (I’m 40 and very much part of this grouping.)
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Isomermaid posted:Grunge is meaningfully inseperable from the who-cares gen-x cynicsm that created it, though. And millenial poptimism couldn't have happened ten years earlier. You do get music of all stripes in all eras but what ends up being the popular thing of the moment is definitely informed by, and informs, the vibe of the era. Yeah but millennials are meant to be no less cynical than gen-x really, it's just cynicism fired in a slightly different direction: gen-x went almost nihilistic nothing matters, millennials vibrate from desperation to rage, things matter but there's no meaningful way to change them. And I don't really see how "poptimism" vibes with that. That wasn't a "thing", that was just music journalists deciding they could like pop tunes without writing for Smash Hits. Which is fine, there's good pop songs, but I don't think it was really a "scene" in the way it used to be used, it was more about critics & the way they engaged with the material they were writing about. I also think it came from a well intentioned place, a reaction against the canonisation of whatever Rolling Stone liked in 1968 as art while simultaneously looking down upon Beyonce. But very quickly it went from "actually Xenomania are producing some excellent songs for artists like Sugababes & Girls Aloud which sound contemporary & exciting while still clearly referencing/being inspired by a variety of classic popular music forms & it's great" to acting like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift or whoever were unable of producing a duff track. It got as lazy as the cloying nostalgia for 1967 & the summer of love or 1977 & punk shaking the country (a thing that definitely didn't happen but never mind), at least partially it became a really rictus consensus you couldn't dare break from if you wanted to be seen seriously, partly it just got lazy & up its own arse like most music criticism. Look, I love rock music. Guitar music. It's most of what I listen to & always has been. But if you watch a BBC4 documentary on punk or on the summer of love or when Dylan went electric or when Ziggy Stardust happened, any of these lionised moments in music history you see the same talking heads who wrote for NME or Melody Maker at some point in time & gosh THIS music that came out when I was between 13 & 20 was life changing & revolutionary & the most exciting thing ever & you just roll your eyes so hard that they fall out of your skull because the clear revelation is not that they were living through a uniquely magical time, the revelation is that being a teenager is exciting & you're unlikely to feel like that ever again you old fart. I think the secret blessing of being a millennial is that the music movements of my formative years were Britpop, a clearly backwards looking & pretty regressive form of music, much as I am still able to enjoy Live Forever or Animal Nitrates, & nu-metal, the dumbest sub-genre of music ever known to man, so it's very hard to suffer from that same nostalgic brainpoison of "when I was young was special & revolutionary & it's not just that I was young & everything sounds exciting because you're going through all these changes physically & personally". I still get that sense of excitement when I hear a great new record to this day, hell, I just got the new Cave In record from Bandcamp this morning & I'm saving it until I go to the shops this evening so I can ensure I get to listen to it all straight through & even the prospect of giving it a listen has me excited. This is far too many words inspired by a conversation about generations, something that doesn't matter, but the whole poptimism thing always felt like it got up its own bum just as badly as Charles Shaar Murray going on about Frank Zappa or whatever. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 20, 2022 |
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Millenials are anyone born between the sinking of the Belgrano and the fall of the Twin Towers. Coincidentally, I was 40 last week.
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OwlFancier posted:I also haven't slept this week so this could be evidence either of a link between the two or possibly that we are both receiving dreams from rl'yeh Not tried that but will give it a go tonight when it kicks up again, thanks for the tip. It's so frustrating feeling yourself drifting off and then your loving legs start humming. Just impossible for me to get to sleep through that. Taking some amitryptyline seems to squash it but I don't like taking it all the time. Gonna start reducing my sertraline and see if that helps, might also get some compression socks 36 btw
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