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Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Jason Ken-he just gently caress off already

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Evis
Feb 28, 2007
Flying Spaghetti Monster

The Butcher posted:

I don't even give a poo poo if it is a bloated project. At least it's for a loving museum that can give back to us for generations.

This is a good point. There are far worse things we can spend money on.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Another Bill posted:

Jason Ken-he just gently caress off already

And we were thiiiiis close to the greatest summer ever...

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


That motherfucker is going to rob us loving blind until he's out of office.


So business as usual then.

kaom
Jan 20, 2007


Re. BC museum I thought “that seems like a lot,” then thought about the fact that it’s a giant collection that needs specialized storage and access controls, has to be reasonably future-proofed, needs to withstand an earthquake, is being built over nearly a decade… I mean, maybe they just actually costed a project correctly for once instead of announcing it will cost 25% of the actual final price tag.

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009
https://twitter.com/DanBoeckner/status/1527164979270455296?s=20&t=GZaFSSCbwI6VGWLZ3U3_oA

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

kaom posted:

Re. BC museum I thought “that seems like a lot,” then thought about the fact that it’s a giant collection that needs specialized storage and access controls, has to be reasonably future-proofed, needs to withstand an earthquake, is being built over nearly a decade… I mean, maybe they just actually costed a project correctly for once instead of announcing it will cost 25% of the actual final price tag.

Yeah, it isn't a parking garage. I think some of the complainers don't really realize that generally what a museum has on display is less than 1% of their collection. You need all kinds of climate control and related stuff to safely store everything. And there's an immense amount of money that goes into restoration and preservation workspaces. I mean I don't live in BC anymore but yeah, I'm not going to get worked up over what sounds like a fairly reasonable cost for a top-notch museum.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

Fidelitious posted:

Yeah, it isn't a parking garage. I think some of the complainers don't really realize that generally what a museum has on display is less than 1% of their collection. You need all kinds of climate control and related stuff to safely store everything. And there's an immense amount of money that goes into restoration and preservation workspaces. I mean I don't live in BC anymore but yeah, I'm not going to get worked up over what sounds like a fairly reasonable cost for a top-notch museum.

It's because it's the NDP. Nobody was screaming when the BC Libs burnt over half that (514-560mil) replacing the roof of BC Place, something they should have been dragged over the coals worse than Fast Ferries.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Honestly if the museum isn't like falling apart I'd rather they drop a billion on housing.

I have a real belief we need to deal with all the basic problems before anything else gets funding. Want that nice new hockey rink? Not until everyone is housed and fed. Have spending follow the hierarchy of needs. You fill up the first need in your society and then fill the next and the next until the money runs out. Want more fancy lower-priority things in your society? Well, get better at solving the basics.

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


Baronjutter posted:

Honestly if the museum isn't like falling apart I'd rather they drop a billion on housing.

I have a real belief we need to deal with all the basic problems before anything else gets funding. Want that nice new hockey rink? Not until everyone is housed and fed. Have spending follow the hierarchy of needs. You fill up the first need in your society and then fill the next and the next until the money runs out. Want more fancy lower-priority things in your society? Well, get better at solving the basics.

Or GPs (I know they are working on that new model for family doctors but I'm sure an extra 100mill a year wouldn't hurt)

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Baronjutter posted:

Honestly if the museum isn't like falling apart I'd rather they drop a billion on housing.


Sorry, you know the rules: You can't drop a billion on housing unless you drop another billion on facilities for an international sporting event, that'll only be used once

sinburger
Sep 10, 2006

*hurk*

Baronjutter posted:

Honestly if the museum isn't like falling apart I'd rather they drop a billion on housing.



I'm in the "why not both?" camp. The money is there, it's an allocation issue.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Baronjutter posted:

Honestly if the museum isn't like falling apart I'd rather they drop a billion on housing.

I have a real belief we need to deal with all the basic problems before anything else gets funding. Want that nice new hockey rink? Not until everyone is housed and fed. Have spending follow the hierarchy of needs. You fill up the first need in your society and then fill the next and the next until the money runs out. Want more fancy lower-priority things in your society? Well, get better at solving the basics.

I mean I agree they should spend way more on housing but they've definitely spent more than the libs ever did, got two badly needed apartments for the homeless in my neighborhood built a couple years back. Not enough of course, hopefully there's more planned but with dippers you never know

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

sinburger posted:

I'm in the "why not both?" camp. The money is there, it's an allocation issue.

1 billion for musuem and 1 billion for cops!

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



evilpicard posted:

1 billion for musuem and 1 billion for cops!

Who's going to pay for the museum cops, then?

SilverMike
Sep 17, 2007

TBD


evilpicard posted:

1 billion for musuem and 1 billion for cops!

Sounds like you could spare 2 billion for cops. Would be a shame if they had to cut back on services!

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

sinburger posted:

The money is there, it's an allocation issue.
Capitalism.txt

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
I'm ambivalent on the museum, but I'd prefer not to go back to 15 years of BC Liberals over it. I also think it's crazy they're closing it so soon when the replacement isn't even designed yet.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

The CBC marking fun of “The Resistance” Maclean’s cover.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jason-kenney-trudeau-conservative-1.6459950

quote:

Late in 2018, Maclean's magazine put five Conservative leaders on its cover and billed them as "the resistance" — an apparent play on the name of the movement that had emerged to oppose Donald Trump in the United States.

The three premiers and two party leaders on the cover were presented as a united front against a push by the federal Liberal government to implement a national price on carbon emissions.

Less than four years later, just two members of the resistance are still standing.

Andrew Scheer resigned as federal Conservative leader a little more than a year after appearing on that cover. Brian Pallister announced his intention to step down as Manitoba premier in August 2021. Jason Kenney announced he would be stepping aside as Alberta premier on Wednesday after discovering that only 51.4 per cent of his party's members supported his leadership.

Meanwhile, a carbon tax is in place in all 10 provinces, Justin Trudeau is still prime minister and one of the two remaining members of the resistance — Ontario Premier Doug Ford — is now fond of pointing out how famously he gets along with Trudeau's second-in-command, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland.

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

eXXon posted:

You have reached a small circular room at the end of a passageway. Ahead of you is a red door. To the right is a blue door. Which do you take?

On closer inspection, you notice a small orange cat flap in the red door. It is nailed shut.

No chance in my riding unfortunately. No chance for anyone but PC (near 65% of the vote). I actually want a party left of the NDP though.


infernal machines posted:

We are truly blessed to be presented with such a choice.

Unfortunately, it is very unlikely we will see anything other than a PCPO minority, with OLP and ONDP duking it out for scraps in urban ridings.

I'll take a minority gov. at this point in time.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Stanley Pain posted:

No chance in my riding unfortunately. No chance for anyone but PC (near 65% of the vote). I actually want a party left of the NDP though.

Speaking of, surely some goons have some experience with the communist party and/or Marxist-Leninists?

Are they any good, like actual community organizers and such, or full of tankies and terfs, or a mix?

I've been meaning to ask my Marxist friends irl but I've never heard them talk about the parties

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Baronjutter posted:

I have a real belief we need to deal with all the basic problems before anything else gets funding.

I dig that it sounds crazy, but it's actually possible to deal with multiple problems within overlapping time frames and schedules, especially when there are lots of people to work on them and figure out their parts and coordinate.

Even a single person can deal with more than one thing at once. It is known.

folytopo
Nov 5, 2013

Blood Boils posted:

Speaking of, surely some goons have some experience with the communist party and/or Marxist-Leninists?

Are they any good, like actual community organizers and such, or full of tankies and terfs, or a mix?

I've been meaning to ask my Marxist friends irl but I've never heard them talk about the parties

Not having lots of money for a national org that does stuff like training or intense vetting, it will be completely up to local organizers. My local had an infestation of sex pests. So no good there.

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


folytopo posted:

Not having lots of money for a national org that does stuff like training or intense vetting, it will be completely up to local organizers. My local had an infestation of sex pests. So no good there.

Yeah it'll completely be on a riding by riding basis.

Even the Greens are like that somewhat

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Blood Boils posted:

Speaking of, surely some goons have some experience with the communist party and/or Marxist-Leninists?

Are they any good, like actual community organizers and such, or full of tankies and terfs, or a mix?

I've been meaning to ask my Marxist friends irl but I've never heard them talk about the parties


Full of tankies. Not sure about the TERFs.

I'm of the mind that we need something not labelled "Communist Party". It's too loaded of a word.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



folytopo posted:

Not having lots of money for a national org that does stuff like training or intense vetting, it will be completely up to local organizers. My local had an infestation of sex pests. So no good there.

Cockroaches or ladybuggers? They can both be a nuisance to get rid of, even if you set traps and spray carefully.

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!


I remember when in the federal election happened (20 years ago?) and Ontario results started coming in and due to a mistake by the local election officer reporting (trying to be the first result in), they attributed the liberal votes to the Marxist Leninist party, who then held the lead for ~10min.

Ctv's Lloyd Robertson's face was priceless as the graphics kept rolling on by.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

Stanley Pain posted:

I'm of the mind that we need something not labelled "Communist Party". It's too loaded of a word.

The Proletariat Party of Canada, also known as the PPC. Featuring the other Maxime Bernier, running in Beauce against Maxime Bernier.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
I recall someone setting up the Democratic Socialists of Canada website, but that seems DOA and our political landscape is yankee-pilled enough

Xaranthius
Nov 27, 2002

Grimey Drawer
Why doesn't someone resurrect The Lemon Party? That's what this timeline truly needs. And deserves.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Last federal election, I saw a bunch of posters advertising the lemon party website.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


They should invoke the name of Maurice 'The Rocket', or at least some other old-timey Habs imagery to siphon off votes in QC.

It wouldn't be a lemon party without ol' dick.

shades of eternity
Nov 9, 2013

Where kitties raise dragons in the world's largest mall.

PT6A posted:

Jason Kenney, the turd that just won't flush.

He's the Nugget of Alberta.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011
In the latest installment of Ontario Liberals straight up attacking others for acting like Liberals:

Del Duca last week, about eight OPCP MPPs receiving money from their riding association to pay for meals, entertainment, vehicle costs, gasoline and childcare:

quote:

I think it is troubling for those individuals who are receiving an MPP is compensation or salary. And then, frankly, from this particular party, telling the people of Ontario that they had to freeze the minimum wage four years ago

Del Duca's party this week, on Del Deuca's riding association having done the same thing including $50,000 spent at high end restaurants:

quote:

"legitimate"

https://globalnews.ca/news/8845828/del-duca-riding-association-50k-high-end-restaurants/

That first statement. He didn't actually contradict himself. In that what he actually said was that it's not okay those individuals to spend public and donated money that way. It's only "appropriate" when it's a Liberal.

So gross.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
lol 8k at the keg. what a waste

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




RBC posted:

lol 8k at the keg. what a waste

Im more shocked that The Keg is considered high end dining.

e: Does Ontario track housing sale metrics of any kind? Im starting to suspect that the same person/people/company has been buying houses on the street. They all sold for almost the exact same $1M price tag back in Jan-Feb and have sat empty since, short of one contractor coming in to pull up floors in all of them.

Furnaceface fucked around with this message at 19:52 on May 24, 2022

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Furnaceface posted:

Im more shocked that The Keg is considered high end dining.

e: Does Ontario track housing sale metrics of any kind? Im starting to suspect that the same person/people/company has been buying houses on the street. They all sold for almost the exact same $1M price tag back in Jan-Feb and have sat empty since, short of one contractor coming in to pull up floors in all of them.

They have high end prices and that's enough for most people.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
you can find that out really quickly by pulling the titles from the city if you're really nosy

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I saw a house for 600,000 that seemed fine in the Ottawa area. It had a yard, two floors and a basement; it met every definition of being a "house" in my mind.

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Furnaceface posted:

Im more shocked that The Keg is considered high end dining.

Imagine living in Oshawa.

The Keg is fine dining in many Ontario markets.

Baronjutter posted:

They have high end prices and that's enough for most people.

They really don't though. It costs about the same for an entree and drinks for two as it does at loving Kelsey's or something.

Furnaceface posted:

e: Does Ontario track housing sale metrics of any kind? Im starting to suspect that the same person/people/company has been buying houses on the street. They all sold for almost the exact same $1M price tag back in Jan-Feb and have sat empty since, short of one contractor coming in to pull up floors in all of them.

That stuff is tracked, but I don't know how public the data is. There are real estate market research companies that will have that info, but I have no idea if the province/municipalities will.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 24, 2022

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