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Ended up getting roped into a last minute interview this afternoon which is doubly bad for my anxiety. But I like my boss and he pays me well so I sucked it up and I feel like it actually went pretty good, did a little bit of chit chatting with the candidate kinda just talking shop. Hope they felt good about it too.
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Plorkyeran posted:Slack video calls are garbage that don't work. Weird. I use them every day. They work just fine. Have had zero issues. We do our standup, retro, planning, whatever, it's almost all through slack video calls. Smaller meetings are in huddles which also work fine. Pairing is done through Tuple, though. Which is awesome.
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May 20, 2022 00:50
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Plorkyeran posted:Slack video calls are garbage that don't work. Video sucks up all the resources. I do my part by going audio-off, video-off during remote meetings.
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May 20, 2022 15:37
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Seems I have a forced (well, "asked") online video team building session later today:quote:Just a few housekeeping tips in preparation for the meeting: Guess it's time to  .
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May 20, 2022 16:31
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Jeez that's all it takes for y'all these days? Turning video on during a team building meeting? Working remote is cushy enough, being allowed to go video off during stand-ups and other work calls is icing on the cake. Demanding nobody look at you ever is pretty nuts.
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May 20, 2022 16:44
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Jeez that's all it takes for y'all these days? Turning video on during a team building meeting? Having the team building meeting in the first place was bad enough. (Partly) joking there, but yeah, one of the benefits of remote work for me is not having to stress out about how I look every morning. I really hate being forced to turn the camera on. chglcu fucked around with this message at 16:56 on May 20, 2022 |
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May 20, 2022 16:51
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I can assure you in no world is an HR-scheduled companywide video-on team building meeting in a startup company ever a really pleasant or net positive experience. It's not like I loathe my coworkers, more of the "HR-scheduled companywide video-on team building meeting" thing.
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May 20, 2022 17:01
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mitztronic posted:Weird. I use them every day. They work just fine. Have had zero issues. We do our standup, retro, planning, whatever, it's almost all through slack video calls. Smaller meetings are in huddles which also work fine. May depend on when you've used it. Slack calling in general (video or otherwise) used to be loving awful but it seems like they've been gutting it and replacing the whole system in the last year or so. I only really use it for one-on-ones but it now works decently for that.
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May 20, 2022 17:05
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Jeez that's all it takes for y'all these days? Turning video on during a team building meeting? There are other companies that don't do this bullshit though so why not leave for one of those if you can? If you want to have an all hands team building meeting where we can see each other's beautiful faces how about flying us to a beach resort for a week.
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May 20, 2022 21:07
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As someone who has had to run present in meetings against eight boxes with cameras off and muted, I can understand why people want cameras on.
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May 20, 2022 21:11
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I did a demo last month where the VP who it was really for called in while driving because he had already decided but didn’t just cancel it. Smile and bill.
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May 20, 2022 21:15
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I watched as a guy called into a team meeting with camera on while on the freeway and I almost quit the meeting and went straight to HR to complain when my boss didn't immediately go "wtf hang up you idiot". If he ever does it again I might yell at him myself. This is also the guy who occasionally makes his Zoom background a padded cell and I look forward to him doing that when I'm having a bad day so I can complain about that too.
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May 20, 2022 21:20
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smackfu posted:As someone who has had to run present in meetings against eight boxes with cameras off and muted, I can understand why people want cameras on. If a meeting with 9 participants still works when 8 of them are muted why is it a meeting?
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May 20, 2022 21:24
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Well it doesn’t work is the point.
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May 20, 2022 21:25
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prom candy posted:There are other companies that don't do this bullshit though so why not leave for one of those if you can? If you want to have an all hands team building meeting where we can see each other's beautiful faces how about flying us to a beach resort for a week. My last employer used to do fun in-person stuff like that but now I get paid way more plus I don't go anywhere due to covid anyway
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May 20, 2022 21:30
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cum jabbar posted:My last employer used to do fun in-person stuff like that but now I get paid way more plus I don't go anywhere due to covid anyway We did a couple getaways with my current company before COVID hit and it was fun. I wouldn't want to do it all the time but a free semi-vacation once a year isn't bad.
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May 20, 2022 21:32
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smackfu posted:Well it doesn’t work is the point. I mean if you're presenting to 8 other people and they have nothing to say about it, I'm guessing they're either not the best coworkers, you presented to the wrong group of people, or it was a straightforward enough presentation and no further commentary was needed. I'm not sure what forcing the camera on would do to change that necessarily.
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May 20, 2022 21:33
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Protocol7 posted:or it was a straightforward enough presentation and no further commentary was needed. Based on the norms for remote working where I work, I would consider it super rude if literally everyone was off-vid and mute for an entire presentation. Social bonding with colleagues is really important and good communication - including seeing faces over video - is therefore also important.
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May 20, 2022 23:04
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Sorry about your dry presentation and/or lovely coworkers OP.
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May 20, 2022 23:11
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Daviclond posted:Social bonding with colleagues is really important and good communication - including seeing faces over video - is therefore also important. Based on what? It might be important to you. But my team does cameras off for pretty much everything and we've been quite effective. This is also the team I've done the least small talk get-to-know-you kind of stuff with and it's honestly refreshing. We get in, get our work done, get out, and are free to have normal social lives outside of work as we see fit.
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May 20, 2022 23:14
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I'll throw out some emotes when I don't want to be on camera and have nothing to say.
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May 20, 2022 23:20
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If I'm presenting, I can't see anybody else anyway, since I only have one monitor, so I have the luxury of not giving a poo poo whether their cameras are on!
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May 20, 2022 23:44
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I like cameras on, but I normally just have single 5 minute standup a day. If I had multiple regular meetings a day I’d reconsider.
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May 20, 2022 23:50
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Harriet Carker posted:Based on what? It might be important to you. But my team does cameras off for pretty much everything and we've been quite effective. This is also the team I've done the least small talk get-to-know-you kind of stuff with and it's honestly refreshing. We get in, get our work done, get out, and are free to have normal social lives outside of work as we see fit. all my teams at my current job have been the polar opposite: I've generally formed friendships with the majority of my team and, since COVID and going near-fully remote, we spend a few hours each day hanging out in a video call while working and will passively chat about stuff. I find we're more effective this way in terms of sharing knowledge and solving random problems that come up ("oh yeah I had that weird build error last week, it was X" vs. burning an hour solving it on your own). To each their own, but what you're describing is sterile and sad for my taste.
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May 21, 2022 00:04
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smackfu posted:As someone who has had to run present in meetings against eight boxes with cameras off and muted, I can understand why people want cameras on. Oh, you mean presenting on a conference call.
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May 21, 2022 01:50
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We never do cameras on at my work unless we're meeting with external people. I like not having to worry about being presentable. I chat and joke with coworkers but I don't need to see them to do that.Daviclond posted:we spend a few hours each day hanging out in a video call while working and will passively chat about stuff. To me this is a nightmare, I wouldn't be able to get anything done. It reminds me of working in an open office. That said I did make a lot of great friends at the agency I worked at in my 20s that was an open office. I'm still close with a few them today. But now I just want to get my work done.
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May 21, 2022 03:07
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It works very well as long as everyone stays muted
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May 21, 2022 03:23
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Meetings, and especially presenting, without being able to see at least several people and their non-verbal communication is a much worse experience. Doesn't need to be everyone, but the difference between zero and 2-3 is very notable. Presenting, in particular, to blank screens sucks more than conference calls ever did.
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May 21, 2022 06:30
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We only do video on for the last standup of the week. And even then we can only get about 7 of us going before the video and audio starts dropping out to the point of making it pointless. Otherwise we're all audio only, and usually only then if we have something smart rear end to say.
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May 21, 2022 10:04
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prom candy posted:I like not having to worry about being presentable. I think these beliefs are pretty extreme and are holding you back. Nobody cares what a bunch of goony devs look like, and chatting with teammates should not seem like "a nightmare" that will deprive you of all productivity.
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May 21, 2022 10:09
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Or, hear me out, people should be allowed to turn on their camera at their own comfort level. It doesn't need to be any more complex than that.
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CPColin posted:I watched as a guy called into a team meeting with camera on while on the freeway and I almost quit the meeting and went straight to HR to complain when my boss didn't immediately go "wtf hang up you idiot". If he ever does it again I might yell at him myself. I do the Enterprise bridge, you gonna snitch on me too?
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May 21, 2022 16:10
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I dunno, do you also make light of mental illness while you do it?
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May 21, 2022 16:13
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Protocol7 posted:Or, hear me out, people should be allowed to turn on their camera at their own comfort level. It doesn't need to be any more complex than that. Basically this. I use a photo from my boat as my video background 
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May 21, 2022 16:18
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Maybe it's a cry for help? Or a movie reference? Is this person making inappropriate jokes during meetings?
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May 21, 2022 16:18
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Is he jokerfying?
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thotsky posted:Maybe it's a cry for help? Or a movie reference? Yes
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My company has a meetings heavy culture and basically everyone has their camera on always and it sucks. I spent years on conference calls sharing decks or demoing to just voices until the pandemic, it was fine and I don't see the issue. People will talk if they need to say something or have a question. If no one is talking, your meeting sucks and could probably have just been a shared document or you need to pare down your meeting audience. Yeah, a bunch of names in the zoom client floating around sucks, but if people don't turn their cameras on, stop staring at the zoom client, pretend like you're on a phone call.
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Yeah, so many meetings are delayed several weeks "so everybody can attend" and then involve just two or three people talking and the rest sitting on mute the whole time. Then the next one gets delayed so everybody can attend. And if you try to point out how inefficient this is, you get the Not A Team Player label! Oh well, guess I'll just clean out my email archive folder for an hour. Again.
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CPColin posted:Yeah, so many meetings are delayed several weeks "so everybody can attend" and then involve just two or three people talking and the rest sitting on mute the whole time. Then the next one gets delayed so everybody can attend. My meeting is important, everyone must care about it! Ugh, we have such engagement issues on this team! Why don't people care about what is obviously important???
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