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Perry Mason Jar posted:
I don't think this is realistically possible, most online communities will, if allowed to 'self moderate', simply become abusive shitholes of some kind or another. 'relaxed moderation' always means 'more slurs and people being mean / harassing others' and never anything else.
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May 21, 2022 16:11
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It is possible cause I've seen and participated in the same many times 
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May 21, 2022 16:17
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empty whippet box posted:I don't think this is realistically possible, most online communities will, if allowed to 'self moderate', simply become abusive shitholes of some kind or another. 'relaxed moderation' always means 'more slurs and people being mean / harassing others' and never anything else. Yep. Hell, we have seen this here in CSPAM many, many times. Some insane comment will go unreported, and then weeks/months later someone casually browsing for something else will be like "wait a minute, what the gently caress is this" and it'll become a huge shitshow, and the mods will come out and say "well, nobody reported it, so.." The other thing is that the community's strong aversion to moderation will result in mods erring on the side of much lighter punishment, like with the guy who bragged about bricking a dog. It wasn't until the QCS thread weeks later that they got banned.
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May 21, 2022 16:22
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Perry Mason Jar posted:It is possible cause I've seen and participated in the same many times were these small, invite-only communities? Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Yep. Hell, we have seen this here in CSPAM many, many times. Some insane comment will go unreported, and then weeks/months later someone casually browsing for something else will be like "wait a minute, what the gently caress is this" and it'll become a huge shitshow, and the mods will come out and say "well, nobody reported it, so.." just so you know you got pretty much every single detail about this story wrong.
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May 21, 2022 16:22
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I assume the brick thing is STDH and probably just that person on psychotic break because it would have wound up in the news, people go to jail for years for that and my sleuthing shows no results that would match the timeframe.
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May 21, 2022 16:27
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mawarannahr posted:I assume the brick thing is STDH and probably just that person on psychotic break because it would have wound up in the news, people go to jail for years for that and my sleuthing shows no results that would match the timeframe. She said that the dogs attacked her in her back yard. In much of the united states you're allowed to kill anything on your property, regardless of whether it's threatening you. E: idk my daughter's grandparents live in a wild village and a big pack of aggressive wild dogs has taken up residence nearby, I'm scared to let her play outside alone because of them. Banning someone for killing a dog that was attacking them in their own yard seemed a bit harsh to me. IAMKOREA has issued a correction as of 16:32 on May 21, 2022 |
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May 21, 2022 16:30
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I guess it's possible to have self-moderating communities, obviously it is since people have experienced them. I haven't, but of course there'd be lots of different factors going into it. I don't think those communities are possible here and most of my online presence has always been here so I'm biased. in a place like cspam, for example, a thread which is allowed to have 'less' moderation inevitably is just used for all the negative behaviors that aren't allowed in other threads in the same forum, like using slurs, brigading, etc.IAMKOREA posted:She said that the dogs attacked her in her back yard. In much of the united states you're allowed to kill anything on your property, regardless of whether it's threatening you. yea quite frankly the whole thing was a huge op and it worked. at worst it was stdh, but if you believed her story enough to ban her over it then there was never any good reason to disbelieve her version of events. i hate what happened with it and thought it was very unfair and was just mean people being mean because they like being mean.
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May 21, 2022 16:31
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IAMKOREA posted:She said that the dogs attacked her in her back yard. In much of the united states you're allowed to kill anything on your property, regardless of whether it's threatening you. hmm. if it’s legal it should be allowed to post about this type of direct action without fear of reprisal.
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May 21, 2022 16:33
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mawarannahr posted:hmm. if it’s legal it should be allowed to post about this type of direct action without fear of reprisal. Idk what you're getting at but killing a dog that attacked you is absolutely not news worthy, at least not in the part of the states that I'm from
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May 21, 2022 16:37
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IAMKOREA posted:Idk what you're getting at but killing a dog that attacked you is absolutely not news worthy, at least not in the part of the states that I'm from for starters https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/peninsula-man-facing-3-years-in-jail-for-killing-neighbors-dog-with-brick/ there are so many stories like this from the whole country, idk what wild part you are at. I was being facetious about the other thing. dogs are a lot of carbon though, so I’ve heard.
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May 21, 2022 16:38
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i think it was the way they bragged about killing the dog and going back inside and making dinner or whatever that rubbed people the wrong way nobody who is normal in the head can be nonchalant about that kind of stuff
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May 21, 2022 16:39
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every cop kills at least 3 dogs a day, and they don't get banned for it
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May 21, 2022 16:39
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I mean FTC was pretty open about their life troubles and ptsd
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May 21, 2022 16:40
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mawarannahr posted:for starters i mean in your example a dude bricked a Chihuahua in San Francisco yeah that wouldn't go over well I'm from a shithole state where killing humans on your property gets you a big pat on the back from the cops. I realize you're an immigrant living on the west coast but i promise you in many parts of the country this really would not be seen as a big deal. Property rights trump all.
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May 21, 2022 16:43
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gently caress COREY PERRY posted:I mean FTC was pretty open about their life troubles and ptsd that’s why I think a psychotic break without that happening is equally likely. probably should be offline for a while if you are like that though.
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May 21, 2022 16:43
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Slow News Day posted:i think it was the way they bragged about killing the dog and going back inside and making dinner or whatever that rubbed people the wrong way how is someone supposed to post in the wake of something like that? people don't have traumatic experiences - which that, if it happened, certainly was one - and then just immediately process it and act correctly. the fact is, there was no reason to disbelieve her version of events. trying to police how someone reacts in the wake of a thing like that is awful, and permabanning them from one of the spaces that helped them through troubled times in their lives and was an important social space for them is unbelievably cruel in reality. nobody who went on the witch hunt cared about the dog, or any of that poo poo. it was just people who wanted to hurt someone else and thought they had an acceptable reason to do so, and spun and retold the story until it was shaped the way they wanted it to be, and the mods bought it.
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May 21, 2022 16:43
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holy gently caress who cares
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May 21, 2022 16:44
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empty whippet box posted:how is someone supposed to post in the wake of something like that? people don't have traumatic experiences - which that, if it happened, certainly was one - and then just immediately process it and act correctly. the fact is, there was no reason to disbelieve her version of events. trying to police how someone reacts in the wake of a thing like that is awful, and permabanning them from one of the spaces that helped them through troubled times in their lives and was an important social space for them is unbelievably cruel in reality. nobody who went on the witch hunt cared about the dog, or any of that poo poo. it was just people who wanted to hurt someone else and thought they had an acceptable reason to do so, and spun and retold the story until it was shaped the way they wanted it to be, and the mods bought it. Also like, even if you're mad about the dead dog, why was it off leash attacking people? Permaban the dogs owner imho
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May 21, 2022 16:45
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Mayday Cat posted:holy gently caress who cares shut up bitch go register another acount about it
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May 21, 2022 16:46
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IAMKOREA posted:i mean in your example a dude bricked a Chihuahua in San Francisco yeah that wouldn't go over well I guess that could be it. I’m routinely surprised by things like learning white dudes will get invited to join up with the local whites gang as they’re casually walking down the street by yourself in parts of the PNW. feel incredulous every day
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May 21, 2022 16:47
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the lesson here goes back to the same one that Rime has trouble learning, that being right doesn't matter as much as being in compliance with social norms, especially as the group size shrinks. if everyone else is turning a blind eye towards someone snatching an extra cricket ration because their child is sick, you will not maintain your social in group status by tattling.
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May 21, 2022 16:50
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Mayday Cat posted:holy gently caress who cares Somebody does something stupid and it courts a bunch of wannabes trying to work out their pent up resentment on anyone who thinks differently from them (takes covid or climate change seriously)
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May 21, 2022 16:51
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we have no way to verify if the bricking was justified or not but nonchalantly bragging about it was hella creepy so i don't see why we're relitigating that ban yet again
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May 21, 2022 16:53
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Cold on a Cob posted:we have no way to verify if the bricking was justified or not but nonchalantly bragging about it was hella creepy so i don't see why we're relitigating that ban yet again i mean the conversation seems to have moved on so no need to  about it imoe: I mean NOW it's going to continue, because you continued it lol empty whippet box has issued a correction as of 16:57 on May 21, 2022 |
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May 21, 2022 16:54
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Cold on a Cob posted:we have no way to verify if the bricking was justified or not but nonchalantly bragging about it was hella creepy so i don't see why we're relitigating that ban yet again it’s the D&D poster that brought it up with incorrect details, and being incorrect on the details online is famously the best way to generate discussion. literally an op by D&D operatives.
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May 21, 2022 16:54
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Cold on a Cob posted:we have no way to verify if the bricking was justified or not but nonchalantly bragging about it was hella creepy so i don't see why we're relitigating that ban yet again Idk i don't remember it as bragging, more like "man a really hosed up thing happened to me today" which should be okay to post about imho. But i also don't really care if aggressive dogs that attack humans get killed so maybe I'm the weirdo.
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May 21, 2022 16:56
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go touch (co2) graphs
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May 21, 2022 16:57
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IAMKOREA posted:Idk i don't remember it as bragging, more like "man a really hosed up thing happened to me today" which should be okay to post about imho. But i also don't really care if aggressive dogs that attack humans get killed so maybe I'm the weirdo. How can you not care that a Heckerino Doggocitizen was MURDERED?
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May 21, 2022 17:00
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SKULL.GIF posted:How can you not care that a Heckerino Doggocitizen was MURDERED? I guess we know there is at least one thing faster than a dog
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May 21, 2022 17:02
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there was this article on medium that was translated from Chinese showing how westerners think dogs are basically like themselves whereas it’s separate in China and more materialist somehow. can’t find it. had some diagrams and I posted it before, would appreciate finding it again.
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May 21, 2022 17:02
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Mayday Cat posted:holy gently caress who cares
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May 21, 2022 17:07
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thread invaders is just forums speak for climate immigrant, wake up sheeple
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May 21, 2022 17:17
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Real hurthling! posted:go touch (co2) graphs
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May 21, 2022 17:25
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FTC had also wished death upon everybody in the Covid thread previous to that so yes ban probably good
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May 21, 2022 17:30
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Teenage Riot posted:FTC had also wished death upon everybody in the Covid thread previous to that so yes ban probably good when was that? I dunno nothin about that
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May 21, 2022 17:33
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just crank & touch graphs sea ice extent going full joker grin
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May 21, 2022 17:54
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let’s get back on track (to 4C)Man Musk posted:
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May 21, 2022 18:04
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empty whippet box posted:when was that? I dunno nothin about that facetoucher cat posted:yep! I actually hope every single one of you dies a painful death, and your children
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May 21, 2022 18:11
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Yea I'd normally expect a ban out of that for sure.
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May 21, 2022 18:17
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Teenage Riot posted:FTC had also wished death upon everybody in the Covid thread previous to that so yes ban probably good Who among us
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